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thx @Pariah Carey for the statement and change in thinking

Of course the ceremonial "shooting - prayers - walk on..." is not the way to go.
Why are you or other US citizens collecting weapons like stamps?

As long in USA you can buy a military semi-automated weapon @ 18 years - but a beer you can not before age of 21...
then we do not have to discuss. Point

My proposal: Take ammunition totally out of the markets. If you need to go for training then sell it controlled at the training facilities. Not used bullets of bought ammunition need to be left behind.

As a Swiss guy I am forced like every other male inhabitant of the country to go to military service. From 20 to 40 you need to be at service for nearly a year in total. You take your weapon at home during 20 years. As well as the ammunition in a sealed box. Every year you need to go for a shooting training. At every repeating week you need to show your sealed ammunition. Of course every soldier is forced to keep the weapon in a safe place - separated from the ammunition.
That easy. I am happy to have ended this uncivil service. As you may know - Switzerland is number 2 after USA with total weapons per inhabitant. But we never had such unbelievable mass shootings ever here.

I read in the newspapers (source not @ hand) that in USA 3% of the people own more than 80% of all US guns.

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Has anyone seen the video games kids have been playing for the last ten years or so? Call of duty, black ops, These games are a far cry from duck hunt 30 years ago.

It desensitizes these kids to shooting people, their brains are not fully formed yet and they are playing these games nonstop. Can’t blame the games but I think helps it normalize shooting people to a young kid that is already mentally ill

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A writer on Kimmel pretty much nailed it. Kimmel writer fires off scathing tweets at senators who accept NRA contributions - Feb. 15, 2018

In the analytical world there is no such thing as art, there is only the science you know and the science you don't know. Characterizing the science you don't know as "art" is a fools game.
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thx @Pariah Carey for the statement and change in thinking

Of course the ceremonial "shooting - prayers - walk on..." is not the way to go.
Why are you or other US citizens collecting weapons like stamps?

As long in USA you can buy a military semi-automated weapon @ 18 years - but a beer you can not before age of 21...
then we do not have to discuss. Point

My proposal: Take ammunition totally out of the markets. If you need to go for training then sell it controlled at the training facilities. Not used bullets of bought ammunition need to be left behind.

As a Swiss guy I am forced like every other male inhabitant of the country to go to military service. From 20 to 40 you need to be at service for nearly a year in total. You take your weapon at home during 20 years. As well as the ammunition in a sealed box. Every year you need to go for a shooting training. At every repeating week you need to show your sealed ammunition. Of course every soldier is forced to keep the weapon in a safe place - separated from the ammunition.
That easy. I am happy to have ended this uncivil service. As you may know - Switzerland is number 2 after USA with total weapons per inhabitant. But we never had such unbelievable mass shootings ever here.

I read in the newspapers (source not @ hand) that in USA 3% of the people own more than 80% of all US guns.

Think about it...
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That is not a nonstarter though, the right to bear arms is written in the bill of rights in the US constitution. Just as Freedom of Speech it is an essential right of every American.

I’m am for measured gun control also, limiting assault rifles but in many states especially in the south that is political nonstarter for politicians

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As long in USA you can buy a military semi-automated weapon @ 18 years - but a beer you can not before age of 21...

In the US, drinking beer is considered more dangerous than owning guns, serving in the armed forces when we are at war, having children with no means to care for them, and voting in elections.


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Has anyone seen the video games kids have been playing for the last ten years or so? Call of duty, black ops, These games are a far cry from duck hunt 30 years ago.

It desensitizes these kids to shooting people, their brains are not fully formed yet and they are playing these games nonstop. Can’t blame the games but I think helps it normalize shooting people to a young kid that is already mentally ill

I agree with your point, but these games are sold worldwide, not just in the US.


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That is not a nonstarter though, the right to bear arms is written in the bill of rights in the US constitution. Just as Freedom of Speech it is an essential right of every American.

And that black people only count as 3/5th of a white person.

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Keep your guns. But why do you need assault rifles? Nobody is using muskets in mass shootings, the guns that were in use when the 2nd amendment came to pass.


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So true. I really don't understand why the pro-gun lobby can't even acknowledge that.

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And that black people only count as 3/5th of a white person.

Yeah I don't understand constitutional originalism and textualism.

Most people who namedrop the Second Amendment don't even know what it says or put it in historical context. The larger reason that James Madison pushed for the Second Amendment was because he too had to run a tight election race for the House, and had to make a campaign promise, because slave owners in his home state of Virginia were afraid that northerners would take away their rights or that their slaves would revolt.

Obviously, there's no slave ownership rights to protect today, much less in Virginia which has become a Democratic hotbed. And today the ability to form a state militia and overthrow a tyrannical federal government rests more on Facebook access than gun ownership, as we've seen in the Arab Spring uprisings. Reminds me of 1:10 here:





I'm entirely for civil liberties, and feel that people who actually care about the Second Amendment should by extension be more concerned about the FCC regulating their internet access.

Having lived in very different countries, I feel the fundamental problem is that the general population has become only reactive to tragedy. The political argument for stronger regulations on gun ownership should have nothing to do with a recent mass shooting, ensuring that other people don't experience the same sadness, protecting our children in schools, or the number and type of victims. It should simply be: the Second Amendment has always been BS even if no one pops crazy and mows down a classroom of people, and rights aren't inalienable at the individual level, they can only be inalienable at the level of the social contracts we form with people around us.

Part of the reason for Israel's military success is that it is ingrained in every person that it only takes a few minutes for a homemade rocket to cross the width of the country. Part of Switzerland's success is that they know there's a certain price to pay to stay neutral with a very heterogenous population. Hong Kong deals with nationalism, Singapore deals with a lack of natural resources. Most part of the population begrudgingly accepts compromises of individual freedoms with these issues in mind. They make do with no gun ownership, mandatory draft, high taxes, immigration and globalization, government oversight, whatever it is to protect the known future, not the past. None of them need another tragedy to get the political critical mass to put in place the appropriate laws.

What these countries/territories have that are different from the U.S. is not that they don't already have 300M guns in circulation, what they have is better social science education, and what we should be afraid of is that the current level of pre-tertiary education won't replenish our population with the political critical mass that we need to safeguard the nation's sustainability.

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Agree completely with previous posts that gun control is a political non-starter in the USA...but 2nd Amendment says nothing about ammunition, so make it VERY DIFFICULT to obtain and regulate it to the max.

If he were alive today and asked his opinion of the NRA, Mark Twain would probably utter his famous quote:

"We have the best politicians money can buy."

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Has anyone seen the video games kids have been playing for the last ten years or so? Call of duty, black ops, These games are a far cry from duck hunt 30 years ago.

It desensitizes these kids to shooting people, their brains are not fully formed yet and they are playing these games nonstop. Can’t blame the games but I think helps it normalize shooting people to a young kid that is already mentally ill

Well - kids are playing ego shooter games since decades...

Around the world...

Could you explain WHY mass shootings mostly happen just only in USA?
And already 15 events in US SCHOOLS THIS year - huh?

This has nothing to do with 2nd amendment - sorry!

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