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Damn, I don't want to get into another gun debate. Nor another rural vs. city, red vs. blue, one side vs. the other side, whatever vs. whatever debate.

At one time, everyone generally agreed on certain things. Not everything was good, but there was a common ground on many things, and a person could expect things could go forward with some mutual amity. The social turmoil of the last several decades shook that idea up some, but it was still possible to believe in an evolving common ground. It was possible to think that humankind was going to become less stupid.

We are now in a position where temporary political advantage justifies everything. It should not be a partisan issue, and I don't want to throw gasoline on the partisan fire when there is already enough.

It's time for all people of good will to say that enough of this shit is enough, and put an end to the slaughter of innocent people. This is not a political position, it is a human one. Woe on anyone who thinks that politics (which means: power for someone with an interest at stake) justifies inaction. You could be the one who is randomly shot next. Do we want to live in such a society? I don't.

No one's actual legitimate desires and rights to shoot or hunt or otherwise enjoy what should be a harmless hobby is threatened by stopping mass murder. With a will to do it, it could be done with no one's legitimate interests being harmed. Only politicians benefit from perpetuating that myth, in order to work up people and get their votes.

I am not, however, at all sure that more killings will convince anyone that they should be stopped. There will be the usual bullshit about "thoughts and prayers," and nothing will be done. It would costs someone some money, and someone else some votes. We've come to this, and it's an unspeakable shame.

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Even small, obviously worthwhile changes that most people in this country favor in polling can't go through, probably because politicians fear the gun lobby and its money. The gun lobby wants to sell more guns -- not itself a bad thing, but it shouldn't govern our policy or laws. Public safety should figure in too. It also has become a cultural/social/political issue, instead of a matter of trying to make it harder for a few people to kill a lot of others.

This is incredibly easy to resolve as well. All it takes is to recognize that technology has significantly outgrown what Madison, Washington, Hamilton, Franklin and their compatriots could've conceived. You can get from China to the US faster than it took to get from Philadelphia to New York on horseback. Your microwave oven has enough computing power to run a simulation to partition the population. Messages can be exchanged across the world in one heartbeat. Mathematics to secure identities in a trustless, permissionless and publicly transparent setting is now well understood. The average college graduate has more knowledge than Thomas Jefferson.

The constitution is horrible by objective standards today. With what we have today, pure sortition with single, fixed terms, is an infinitely more powerful way to elect representatives to the legislative branch. We just need to pick 535 people in complete random from the population to represent us, almost like jury duty, say every 2 or 4 years.

Instead what we have are a bunch of mostly men whose average age is now 58 to 62 - a number that continues to increase. A group that's represented 40+% by lawyers, which should only compose 0.6% of our population. Correlated with that, most of them have incomes that are far out of reach of the average person.

Part of the gun violence we're seeing comes from deep sense of resentment towards immigrants, which is itself strongly explained by the fact that a very significant portion of the population feels left behind. This sort of sentiment is not present in Switzerland, where guns are freely available, but the socioeconomic gap is small. Not only are the folks blocking common sense gun regulation preventing us from reaching a solution, they are the source of the unhappiness towards immigrants, distrust of government, and all because they're not there to represent the best interests of our population by design.


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Human history is not linear. Its cyclical. Sadly, it looks like we are caught in the cycle of corruption, mistrust and greed on the tail end of democracy.
Mob rule is on the horizon and looking more and more likely in the very near future.The founding members of the American constitution were well aware of this and the thinking behind the constitution was motivated by Polybius theory on the cycles of government. It is a fascinating subject. I drew a picture:

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Regardless of political affiliation or views on the president, I think we can all agree these events are horrible. What I think seems to really make these conversations so heated is everyone is mad regardless of your views and we all want to fix things someway but we don't know how. I'm sorry one change of a law or amendment isn't going to fix this.. could it help ?? who knows. One thing I think we can all agree on is that society has changed and certain parts of it are changing for the worse.

Like mike stated before, this has been an on going issue and only gets worse every year. It definitely seems to be worse among my generation ( im 26) , one of the contributing factors in my view is how kids are being taught in school .We still are teaching kids the same way we have for the past 40 years.. yeah they might use a laptop now instead or a type writer but the core of education is the same.

Bullying in my point of view leads to a lot of these issues maybe not at the on set of the incident but has long term effect on some individuals and I'm sure leads to certain behavioral issues in the persons life. Is this the end all be all fix to this horrible issue.. not at all but we need to find a way to fix society as a whole. Today it seems like we are all much more self centered and just down right angry.

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and it just surfaced that the dayton shooter made a hit list in highschool which most likely means he was bullied and the school did little to nothing to deal with this issue.
The same thing happened in one of the others ( god its bad I can't even remember which one because there are so many)

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Can't vouch for the authenticity but assuming its true I believe it says something!

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This tragedy would not have happened if the killer had not had a gun.

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This tragedy would not have happened if the killer had not had a gun.

There is a posability this tragedy would have not happened if German Jews were not disarmed. They would have at least been able to go out fighting. There has to be way to fix America's mental health problems without taking gun rights away.
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No more dead people

Sell weapons without (nearly) any restriction. But hold back the ammunition and control it!!
Have experience of over 20 years in Swiss military: every soldier gets the army (quick fire) weapon to store at home. With a package (sealed) of 24 pieces of ammunition. For the yearly training we had to go to a shooting area where ammunition was given exactly for the whole program. On next military service everyone had to present the weapon and deposit the sealed and named ammunition pack. In Switzerland we do not have any shootings like in US. Even though nearly every Swiss adult (mostly male) has an army weapon at home. The trick is in storing weapon and ammunition separately.
Maybe an easy solution... Of course some people need to take out billions of ammunition pieces in the market
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Gun Violence

This is just one day in America !
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This is just one day in America !
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You need more context info were those suicides,murders,self defense shootings , accidental misfires etc etc ... all those get lumped into one and it can skew the numbers I'm not disagreeing it's a lot but need more info


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