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Well, there you go. I think that's exactly the question.

Something would be better than nothing, and would be a place to start. Anything would help.

Bob.

Yes, exactly. And remember...Too many filters and you don't place a trade.

Just like with guns, Too many laws and no more guns allowed.



There are many gun laws in place as we speak. So how do we tweak those or add to those without banning guns. (excluding fully automatic weapons, which are already banned without a license that is very hard to get)

Now Don't filter yourself out of a trading job Bob! lol

I just love this analogy. Nice when you can come back to trading!

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By the way, where in the hell is Big Mike? He started the dam thread! LOL.

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By the way, where in the hell is Big Mike? He started the dam thread! LOL.

Mike's been going through multiple hospitalizations and operations for some time now.

He hasn't posted in his main thread since he started the latest of these. No way to know more right now.

Info, what we have, can be found here: https://futures.io/elite-circle/28410-big-mike-ecuador-372.html#post704610

One can only hope things are going well, and wait for word.

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Didn't know that. I hope things are going well for him too.

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Slightly off the gun topic, and I know somebody will start screaming about freedom of speech but I found this interesting. It just highlights how differently NZ are treating this than the what would happen (or not-happen) in the US.

NYTimes:- New Zealand Bans the Christchurch Suspect’s Manifesto
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/world/asia/new-zealand-christchurch-shooter-manifesto.html

New Zealand classified his so-called manifesto as “objectionable” on Saturday, making it a crime to possess or distribute it anywhere in the country.
and
Prosecutors have also gone after people who shared that video. As of Thursday, at least two people had been charged with sharing the video via social media, under a law that forbids dissemination or possession of material depicting extreme violence and terrorism. Others could face related charges in connection with publicizing the terrorist attack, under a human rights law that forbids incitement of racial disharmony.
and with regards to freedom of speech
These cases are possible because while freedom of expression is a legal right in New Zealand, the parameters are more restrictive than the First Amendment guarantees in the United States.

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Not the greatest article out there but I did find this summary table interesting - although the medium/large calibration separation could do with some clarification. Guess it's no surprise that high caliber guns have higher fatality rates.

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Young American White Males (and not religiously radical foreign terrorists!) had a busy weekend! 20 dead and 26 injured in El Paso, 9 dead and 27 wounded in Dayton. Minutes Before El Paso Killing, Hate-Filled Manifesto Appears Online. Suspect gun lobby will say the problem is not enough people have guns to stop these people! How this isn't embarrassing to every single American, even gun owners, amazes me. No where else in the world does this happen with this frequency, and by our own people, not foreign terrorists.

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Young American White Males (and not religiously radical foreign terrorists!) had a busy weekend! 20 dead and 26 injured in El Paso, 9 dead and 27 wounded in Dayton. Minutes Before El Paso Killing, Hate-Filled Manifesto Appears Online. Suspect gun lobby will say the problem is not enough people have guns to stop these people! How this isn't embarrassing to every single American, even gun owners, amazes me. No where else in the world does this happen with this frequency, and by our own people, not foreign terrorists.

I was wondering if someone was going to post. It's horrifying what is happening with the morality of many (too many) Americans, everyone has become desensitized to violence -- even mass shootings -- to the point where we simply don't care that our Congress would rather line their pockets and stay in power, than pass legislation that could help prevent these tragedies in a variety of ways.

It saddens me deeply beyond words that today's America is about exclusion, fear mongering and hatred, instead of wide open arms and welcoming those who are in need. The entire philosophy being deployed is all wrong, and just leads to more hatred of Americans worldwide, and that won't end well.

The answer is certainly not to drop more bombs (physical bombs or tweet bombs loaded with provocative racial language and dog whistle calls to the other hatred filled racists). It's not name calling and divisiveness, but rather the opposite. And gun owners need to stop already with the "their coming for your guns" crap. This is a national emergency, a real one -- not one invented to provoke fear. This, THIS is an emergency. So many things need the urgent attention of the American people. There is not one single thing that is a quick fix, but rather a whole host of changes that have to be made, a new way of thinking of unity and embracing those in need, like the America of old when she was at her best.

It makes me sick to think about the trendline that is America of my generation. I am not singling out the current President. This trendline has been moving the wrong way for a long time now. That isn't a dog whistle saying I opposed Obama either. I am talking about my entire generation (I turn 42 in September), it feels as if America has lost its way. Turned its back, preferred war over peace, and started building walls to keep people out instead of investing in its own future and welcoming people in.

I certainly hope we see something hold as "support" soon, so we can all "get long" again for the sake of the next generation -- the America that once stood for the best of the best of the world, now unfortunately is imploding in on itself. I can only imagine the laughter of other "enemies" of the USA, they are sitting back while we quite literally realize all they predicted upon us, largely without any of their help.

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Suspect gun lobby will say the problem is not enough people have guns to stop these people!

"Yeah, come on, this is not the time to politicize this. The nation needs to heal. It's only just the 259th time this year. We should be focusing on our thoughts and prayers." Oh, and mental health.

And yeah what's the point of stopping him from procuring a high-caliber weapon? He chose to carry this out with an assault rifle, like almost every one of the 258 before him this year, because he didn't have kitchen knives at home, okay? He could just as easily have done as much with a kitchen knife.

Nevermind that the perpetrator's own father runs a mental health clinic and has a graduate degree in professional counseling.

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It makes me sick to think about the trendline that is America of my generation. I am not singling out the current President. This trendline has been moving the wrong way for a long time now.

I really respect you for sticking your neck out as the owner of the community and sharing your views.

Quite unfortunately with the current climate, it's impossible to have a productive dialogue with some elements of our society without the same demanding to know your entire voting history, political alignment, ethnic provenance, and immigration status. It's great that you're looking at this from a completely nonpartisan, apolitical angle.


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That isn't a dog whistle saying I opposed Obama either.

I feel Obama has some fault in this too. Obama's biggest mistake was assuming that fringe groups in his Congress, many not even fairly or democratically elected, would ever negotiate in good faith when it came down to issues like gun control. His mistake was letting them completely rape the electoral process and constitutional coequality of the three branches in plain sight. His mistake was taking a Kantian deontological stance (the belief that his own moral course of action can be decided with the presumption that other people will act out of good will and respect for moral law) towards trying to keep every person happy, even if some of those persons opposed him purely for his skin color or did not have the academic grounding to decide the best policies for this country.

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