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Texas Open-Carry Laws Blurred Lines Between Suspects and Marchers
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/11/us/texas-open-carry-laws-blurred-lines-between-suspects-and-marchers.html

Two men who were armed and a woman who was with them were detained, fueling an early, errant theory by the police that there was more than one gunman.

Mayor Mike Rawlings of Dallas suggested in an interview on Sunday that, in the wake of the attack, he supported tightening the state’s gun laws to restrict the carrying of rifles and shotguns in public.

“There should be some way to say I shouldn’t be bringing my shotgun to a Mavericks game or to a protest because something crazy should happen,” said Mr. Rawlings, a Democrat. “I just want to come back to common sense.”

The state’s open-carry culture, the mayor said, had imperiled people on the streets of Dallas. “This is the first time — but a very concrete time — that I think a law can hurt citizens, police and not protect them,” he said, adding that he was not anti-gun and that he owned a shotgun himself. “I think it’s amazing when you think that there is a gunfight going on, and you are supposed to be able to sort who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.”

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The Dallas police chief, David O. Brown, described to CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday the amount of confusion the armed protesters initially caused.

He said the event had attracted “20 or 30 people” who “showed up with AR-15 rifles slung across their shoulder.”

“They were wearing gas masks,” Mr. Brown said. “They were wearing bulletproof vests and camo fatigues, for effect, for whatever reason.”

When the shooting started, “they began to run,” he said. And because they ran in the middle of the shooting, he said, the police on the scene viewed them as suspects. “Someone is shooting at you from a perched position, and people are running with AR-15s and camo gear and gas masks and bulletproof vests, they are suspects, until we eliminate that.”

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Saw on FB today, an eye opener perhaps for some.

Personally I like guns, I go to the range when I can. I'm not a liberal nor a conservative but I am pretty rigid on things like not letting the tail (lobbies and fringe crazies) wag the dog. "Creeping normalcy' aka 'boiled frog syndrome' does lot of damage to society, sometimes some perspective helps I recon?


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Referencing an old conversations... I believe the quotes are in context, apologies if they are not...

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Why is there this assumption that everyone who owns a gun is some bumbling fool that's going to shoot himself by accident or someone else? There are many people who take gun ownership seriously and go to the range..plus practice defensive measures. This notion of everyone being incompetent with guns is absurd. I have yet to see anyone on this thread refute my assertion that almost all gun violence in this country is carried out by criminals, gang members, drug dealers and occasional lone psychos.


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I'm not sure who alleged any of things that you are claiming or how what your saying effects the conversation. All the CHL owners I know are all very competent with guns and I do not feel unsafe around them.


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That pretty much flies in the face of everything you've been saying this whole thread, doesn't it? Guns are dangerous, homes with guns in them are more dangerous, the armed citizen good guy is a myth, the gun's more likely to be stolen or used against its owner, etc. So I'm a little confused at this point.

I know this is a TV show and may not be 100% representative or objective but what really scares me about guns, and why I think we need gun control, isn't because of all the CHL owners but this...

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Saw on FB today, an eye opener perhaps for some.

Personally I like guns, I go to the range when I can. I'm not a liberal nor a conservative but I am pretty rigid on things like not letting the tail (lobbies and fringe crazies) wag the dog. "Creeping normalcy' aka 'boiled frog syndrome' does lot of damage to society, sometimes some perspective helps I recon?



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FiveThirtyEight.com, Daily Digits, Thursday, Jan. 5, 2017

22 percent
A study by researchers at Northeastern University and Harvard School of Public Health interviewed 1,613 adult gun owners in 2015 and found that 22 percent of owners who had gotten their newest firearm within the previous two years obtained it without a background check. [Annals of Internal Medicine]

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The Hidden Gun Epidemic: Suicides

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/09/opinion/the-hidden-gun-epidemic-suicides.html

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Either a lot of people out there with bad intentions, or a lot of stupid people, or both!

USA Today :- TSA finds record 3,391 guns at checkpoints in 2016

TSA finds record 3,391 guns at checkpoints in 2016

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Either a lot of people out there with bad intentions, or a lot of stupid people, or both!

USA Today :- TSA finds record 3,391 guns at checkpoints in 2016

TSA finds record 3,391 guns at checkpoints in 2016

Both I expect, I guess some have so many they forget where they all are.

I was joking with a friend about getting into the bulletproof bedsheet business, logically if many are afraid of their shadows.. and just found this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBi9SmP6Cu4

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Today is the five-year anniversary of the Newtown, CT school shooting. I remember that day, and the days afterward. To the country it felt like a small scale Sept. 11, to those in Newtown it was Sept. 11.

I'm on record here in the forum as being an avid gun owner. Always will be, unless I one day move somewhere they're not allowed. But my attitude toward guns has changed, I think because of the shootings that occurred earlier this year, and also because (unlike five years ago) now I'm a father.

It's a complicated situation. I try to understand both sides of the issue. It's unfair to penalize the 99% of lawful gun owners with onerous, burdensome gun control legislation that may or may not work. And if a deranged person wants to kill a bunch of people, they'll find a way.

But something is fundamentally wrong with our society when children are murdered in their classrooms at school, or mothers and babies are killed worshipping at church, and basically nobody does a damn thing about it. Our society (or the majority for political purposes) has responded by saying, "We'll bear that cost. It's worth it." I don't know. I suppose I've taken that stance previously without really saying it, but I no longer can.

But what can be done? There are already so many guns in circulation. And politically, it's well-nigh impossible. I'm 43 and I wouldn't be surprised if there is never any meaningful gun control in my lifetime.

I understand that most gun violence is between people who know each other, or is the result of drug or gang crimes. Those are very different than the random mass shootings that get all the attention. But the latter kind shock the conscience so much, they are so unbecoming and unacceptable for a developed world leader like the U.S.

And it's not just a mental health problem. It's not enough to just blame "crazy people." From the little bit I've read on the subject, most mentally ill people are not prone to violence.

I don't know what it'll take. Everyone knows that any day now we'll have another random mass shooting. I bet somewhere out there is a guy with the goal of being America's first triple digit fatality mass shooter. Actually I do know what it'll take: a lot more deaths, a lot more people burying their loved ones and children. Then maybe people will change their attitude.

Many times when I drop my little girl off at school I think, "today could be the day. The day a deranged man shoots his way in, and no one can stop it."

It's not possible to take the guns away, and I don't think they should. If you want to own a firearm, including the military-style ones used in these shootings (I have several) you should. But the process to get one should be harder.

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