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I don't see a logical purpose for automatic weapons

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I don't see a logical purpose for automatic weapons

Killing a lot of people very quickly.

That's why they are "military" weapons. And should, really, stay that way.

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We have a worldwide audience here, I'm curious what the rest of the world thinks about the craziness and normality of mass shootings in America.

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I think it's a great thing to happen for the weapon industry...

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@voxdotcom: How gun control works in America, compared with 4 other rich countries bit.ly/1Q5Ll24 pic.twitter.com/LvNBznahS8

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I think this number doesn't tell us much. Yes, there are more gun homicides in the USA than other countries simply because there are more guns, but if the total number of homicides (including all weapons, poisons, etc) are the same between countries than the problem is not the guns.

In other countries they use machetes:

"Terrorist" With Machete In London Subway Slashes Man's Throat Screaming "This Is For Syria"

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I think this number doesn't tell us much. Yes, there are more gun homicides in the USA than other countries simply because there are more guns, but if the total number of homicides (including all weapons, poisons, etc) are the same between countries than the problem is not the guns.

In other countries they use machetes:

"Terrorist" With Machete In London Subway Slashes Man's Throat Screaming "This Is For Syria"

Well isn't that the point? If they reduced the number of guns then it will reduce the number of homicides via guns, if there are simply less guns.

Australia is a good example, we can't buy guns here easily, not by a long shot (pun...). We get shootings here once in a while but it's almost always gang related.

Machete easier to deal with, just run - you can't really run with a high probability of surviving from a gun.

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Well isn't that the point? If they reduced the number of guns then it will reduce the number of homicides via guns, if there are simply less guns.

Australia is a good example, we can't buy guns here easily, not by a long shot (pun...). We get shootings here once in a while but it's almost always gang related.

Machete easier to deal with, just run - you can't really run with a high probability of surviving from a gun.

It could be but my point is that knife homicide is just as bad as a gun homicide. The Government should focus on reducing homicide rates, not guns, since homicides are very similar between countries with/without guns. Also there are huge differences between homicide rates in countries where guns are permitted (see the difference between Brazil/Argentina/Mexico and Canada/Switzerland for example).

Now, if you tell me that gun ownership correlates with a higher number of homicides (of total homicides /100,000 people, not gun homicides which tell us nothing), than yes, ban them. However I still haven't seen that correlation posted and in fact some studies show there isn't one (like the chart I posted earlier about the UK banning guns).


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It could be but my point is that knife homicide is just as bad as a gun homicide. The Government should focus on reducing homicide rates, not guns, since homicides are very similar between countries with/without guns. Also there are huge differences between homicide rates in countries where guns are permitted (see the difference between Brazil/Argentina/Mexico and Canada/Switzerland for example).

Now, if you tell me that gun ownership correlates with a higher number of homicides (of total homicides /100,000 people, not gun homicides which tell us nothing), than yes, ban them. However I still haven't seen that correlation posted and in fact some studies show there isn't one (like the chart I posted earlier about the UK banning guns).

I think there are way to many guns in circulation in the US but @Malthus you definitely make some good points.

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It could be very easy to reduce gun crime in the US. They could set up some very harsh penalties..such as a 20 year minimum prison sentence for anyone caught illegally owning a gun..or committing any type of crime with a gun. The overwhelming majority of gun violence are gangs, drug dealers, thugs, and criminals. Of course, this will never happen since the argument would be that it "unfairly targets minorities."
Again, concealed permit holders commit very little in the way of gun crime and they should be allowed to carry for protection against the above mentioned groups.

Since virtually every lone mass shooter (except the Muslim ones) has been on psyche meds such as SSRI anti-depressants, I would support legislation that prohibits guns to be sold to people on those meds.

So, the only other group that is of real concern are the Islamist extremists. I believe this will be a new source of more mass killings in the U.S. Also, since many gang members convert to Islam in prison, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these team up with ISIS and other extremist groups.

More than ever, citizens will not be able to rely mainly on police for protection. I make it a point to practice frequently at the gun range and am enrolling in some defensive and tactical shooting courses as well.

I also fear that we will see much more Paris style shootings happen in other parts of Europe such as Germany and the U.K. Why wouldn't there be? There's more than enough potential radicalized groups there, many more will infiltrate the Syrian refugees...and they have tons of weaponless, disarmed people to slaughter at will. scary days are ahead.

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