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The USA definitely has a problem with homicides and specifically mass shootings, but I don't think banning guns would solve anything (and could even create more insecurity).

For countries like Spain, where we've never been allowed to have guns it could make sense to prohibit gun possession, since even criminals will have a hard time finding them. But for the USA, where the are 10 guns / person on average it would only impulse black market and insecurity (since criminals don't care about the law and they will certainly carry guns). See this graph:

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In Poland and England, only about one out of every million people die in gun homicides each year — about as often as an American dies in an agricultural accident or falling from a ladder.

NYTimes :- IN OTHER COUNTRIES, YOU’RE AS LIKELY TO BE KILLED BY A FALLING OBJECT AS BY A GUN


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Here is the murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants in 2012 for those interested (I couldn't find 2014/2015 data):

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Murders are higher in the USA but only slightly (5 people every 100,000 inhabitants instead of 2), so maybe the problem is more the alarm these mass shootings create instead of just plain numbers.

You view a 250% increase as only 'slightly' higher? I would call that significantly higher.

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You cannot simply say it's because someone is muslim or because someone has a mental health issue. Doing so completely skips over all the inconvenient truths of the situation, which is far more complex.

Anyway, it's clear how I feel on this issue. And I also know I am in the minority. I left the States, after all, so everyone can just ignore me and I'll go shut up now.


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great video thx

Once (some 10 years or more) the green card to go to the USA was something very valuable.
With view on all those possibilities offered.
Today this has gone. Nothing more attracting.
Even if you do NOT want to travel to the states - you feel the long arm of US justice in your neck:
taking a plane in south Africa to Europe for example - you have to spill all fluids taken with you...
and a lot more!
Or if you are in the internet - NSA is spying always on your data...

It is obvious that the states are only taking profit on others even far away from their country.

But now I shut up like Mike as I am living in a more peaceful country without armed "terrorists"
or guns in the pockets.

I don't have to reflect on every "terror news" flocking in.

GFIs1

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The problems facing America took decades to create. And will take far longer to fix, if it's even possible any more.

Think about how quickly you can ruin a company, or destroy a building --- versus how long it takes to build it from the ground up. That's what is facing America today, decades of destruction has eroded 200 years of construction.

And of course, the real problem is -- it's no longer a democracy, so the people are less likely to really be able to exercise the changes needed, without some sort of massive revolution.

Anyway, it's all depressing. I made a decision a while back to leave. It was the most difficult decision of my life, and I was questioning my duty to my country to stay and fight, or to leave. It's a difficult decision, but one that I do not regret. The biggest problem was that even my more intelligent friends were completely clueless about what was happening behind the scenes, so there is virtually no hope for the mass public to ever be informed enough to push for change.

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An obvious step, that no one could possibly oppose - except corrupt Congressmen.

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This video is a clear demonstration of why nothing positive gets done in America, by Congressmen. This guy has clearly been told to adhere to a certain party line rule, which has absolutely nothing to do with the issue (paying for healthcare for first responders on 9/11). Even blood on his hands is not enough to get him to question his party line from the leadership.

I give the man the benefit of the doubt, in that I think he has a heart. Yet he can't think of anything that could possibly be done in order to pay for the bill that would allow healthcare to be given to these 9/11 first responders.

He, and his party, had no trouble spending money for tax credits to the ultra rich, or spending money for subsidies paid to the oil and gas industry, or any other of millions of things. But 9/11 first responders? Nope, we can't afford that.

This is applicable to the thread in that the same applies for any legislation that is for the benefit of the people.

Watch the video:

Watch Jon Stewart And 9/11 First Responders Actually Change A GOP Senator's Mind

And I am very thankful that people like Jon Stewart exist and use their influence to do good in the world. Too bad Congressmen don't agree. And of course, the majority of them are of a certain affiliation.

Don't worry guys, I'll peace out from this thread. I know I am pissing off my members in this community, since most of them are from the same party and would strongly oppose everything I've said.

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In Poland and England, only about one out of every million people die in gun homicides each year — about as often as an American dies in an agricultural accident or falling from a ladder.

The key in that sentence is "in gun homicides". They still die due to other weapons.


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You view a 250% increase as only 'slightly' higher? I would call that significantly higher.

Yes in my opinion an increase from 1-2 to 2-5 people every 100,000 inhabitants is very small. Percentages can be deceiving. If I have a dollar and you give me 2, I've increased my money by 200%, but it's still a very small increment. If I have a million and you give me 500,000$, I only have 50% more but it's a lot of money.

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Republicans say no to new gun control legislation after San Bernardino

Sometimes I feel like the Republicans are trying to help Hillary get elected...

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