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That is true. But closing the 'gun show' loophole and forcing every private sale to be registered would be a step in the right direction.

An obvious step, that no one could possibly oppose - except corrupt Congressmen.

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@tturner86 and a texan is telling you this. LOL @SMCJB

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But the only way to stop gun violence is going to be in restricting ammunition

I imagine you can 3D print bullets today, and increasingly so in the coming decade.

Obviously, the long term solution is a far bigger and more complex issue. An issue of education, an issue of mental health and healthcare, and an issue in how so called "news" stations aren't actually reporting news, but instead are just opinion pieces designed to boost ratings. Facts don't matter to those "news" organizations. And a large part of the population takes them at their word.

You could blame the pharmacy companies for lobbying the doctors, who ultimately over prescribe their patients, creating all kinds of new mental health issues that didn't exist previously.

You could blame the educational system, who is more focused on teaching how to pass an exam than embracing creativity or encouraging students to learn by truly challenging and stimulating them -- instead of restraining them in an effort to provide a "one school fits all" approach.

You could blame a justice system that has sold its soul to the devil in order to receive municipal funds, and in turn created quotas to meet so that the for-profit corporations can continue making billions, who are disincentivized to rehabilitate because to do so would jeopardize their profits.

You have a growing population that are living below the poverty line, while corporate profits are at all time highs. You have growing disparity between the average wages earned and the average profits earned by companies. You have a public that is near its breaking point, because it's been sold out to corporations.

Ultimately, the blame lies with the people who have allowed their country to deteriorate to the condition it is in today by voting in the people in office over the last 20-40 years who have passed the laws to allow the corporations to turn the democracy into an oligarchy.

You cannot simply say it's because someone is muslim or because someone has a mental health issue. Doing so completely skips over all the inconvenient truths of the situation, which is far more complex.

Anyway, it's clear how I feel on this issue. And I also know I am in the minority. I left the States, after all, so everyone can just ignore me and I'll go shut up now.

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More people have been murdered in Chicago since 2001 than the total US military killed in Afghanistan and Iraq wars. The pro-gun guys say Chicago has tough laws. Well guess what, Chicago also had roads that lead to places other than Chicago where guns can be purchased.

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Once upon a time

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..was wildwest in USA: armed people shooting in every smaller village.
At least in films made in Hollywood.

Today every western tv channel is sending detailed coverage of shootings.
And people praying. And politicians visiting the place - with flowers...

Such shootings are normality in many other places in the world every day as well.

USA is having troops in 147 countries around the world! And is shooting in many
many wars they started themselves. Result: Many dead, wounded and even
more refugees.
The term "war" is no longer active. Only the word is changing but has the same
meaning. Today it is named "terrorism".

All that hype has one background: Marketing for the weapon industry. From small
revolver to biggest weapon systems.
Without those every year growing military budgets this special "industry" could not
"grow".

Thus all that marketing in all tv channels. And assuring that all americans need a mass
of weapons at home, in the car - if possible in the airline: to protect themselves...

Smells very schizophrenic: to tell people weapons are needed to get freedom and stability!
And then going to church every sunday to pray.

A last sentence to the extent on the battlefields around the world where US troops are
bombing every day: WHERE are all those refugees going then after they have to leave
there destroyed cities?
Answer: For sure NOT to the USA

The laws in USA concerning military budgets or restricting guns for private use will not
change. At least not with the next five presidents...

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Gun TV

How perverted is this?
A new home shopping tv channel will start 2016 to sell guns in USA...

Article from the Guardian
Gun TV: home shopping channel aims to sell weapons to viewers | US news | The Guardian

Look at this:
"Gun control advocates are skeptical. Laura Cutilletta, senior staff attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a thinktank based in San Francisco, said: “The thing that’s wrong with this is that it’s a very serious decision when you bring a gun into your home."
Are you sure? If you own already some dozens of them... LOL

This is just the american way of thinking: nobody can help.

"Yes - we can!"

Needs for sure generations to take that misprogramming out.

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extension: If you think further - for sure you can order within a year a drone
to shoot your bad neighbor. Just type in the form the desired address and
keep your credit card handy...


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The USA definitely has a problem with homicides and specifically mass shootings, but I don't think banning guns would solve anything (and could even create more insecurity).

For countries like Spain, where we've never been allowed to have guns it could make sense to prohibit gun possession, since even criminals will have a hard time finding them. But for the USA, where the are 10 guns / person on average it would only impulse black market and insecurity (since criminals don't care about the law and they will certainly carry guns). See this graph:

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For those asking for more gun control. Yes, some kind of gun control is necessary but I suppose it's already in place (like don't give guns to mentally ill people). From what I've read in the news, the majority of mass shootings perpetrators were what you could call "normal" people with no criminal background. They would pass those controls easily and it would not solve anything (other than feeling like something has been done after the shootings).

The only solution I can think of is unfortunately a long term solution: education, plans to reduce criminality in certain areas, etc...

Here is the murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants in 2012 for those interested (I couldn't find 2014/2015 data):

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Murders are higher in the USA but only slightly (5 people every 100,000 inhabitants instead of 2), so maybe the problem is more the alarm these mass shootings create instead of just plain numbers.

Anyway I don't live there so I could have a wrong picture of the situation.

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The real statistics are missing


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Murders are higher in the USA but only slightly (5 people every 100,000 inhabitants instead of 2), so maybe the problem is more the alarm these mass shootings create instead of just plain numbers.

Thanks @Malthus for the charts.
In fact - the people killed WITHIN the USA are quite interesting. But to know the real number of killed people by americans
outside of USA in the last 20 years. Adding both numbers together will bring the reality up...
For sure to know the number of dead - "killed by americans" per inhabitant comparing to other countries could
reveal much more.
Of course no US president is happy to see such numbers published.

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Women

are now admitted to the elite troops of US.
Like Navy Seals etc. according to the defense minister Ashton Carter.
These troops had never admitted women as soldiers.
Does this make future attacks "including" female soldiers more human?

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