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So who here likes guns?

I do. Wasn't raised around them (except for air guns) but got into firearms back in 2007. I'm fortunate that I live in the country and can shoot on my own land. I've got a little range at the back of the property where I've hung some
steel plates that'll stop anything short of a 50 cal. Shooting steel is so much more fun than paper.

I wouldn't call myself a gun nut but I've got a pretty decent collection. I've streamlined it in recent years to where, instead of having a large variety of guns, I have several of just a few types. I like redundancy and having spares. Makes buying accessories easier. About the only gun I don't have that I would like is an M1 Garand, the US military's WW2 battle rifle. That's a man's gun right there.

I've got several each of 22s, 9mm pistols, AR15s and AKMs. I used to be into collecting old guns and have several military surplus bolt action rifles from WW1 to WW2 era. My collection is also pretty diverse geographically. In addition to the US, I have guns from Finland, Russia, Czechoslovakia (before they became Czech Republic), China, Hungary, Serbia, and Switzerland.

I have a carry permit and unless I'm in court or on a plane, there's a gun either on me or within arm's reach pretty much all the time. Usually a Glock 19 (best handgun in the world).

I try not to get too political when it comes to firearms and I don't throw it in people's faces. To me it's about personal freedom and being able to protect my family. And of course it's a fun hobby. In this country gun control has become a non-issue politically.

I would love to hear from others members, especially those in countries outside the US. Are the laws very restrictive? What are availability and prices like?

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I don't have guns but still interested. What is your opinion on best handgun for home protection?

Bill Burr has a stand up routine about it and he says he has a 22, what might be too small, but at least he can hear after pulling the trigger in a confined place like a room...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVFf7rOKG34


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To me it's about personal freedom and being able to protect my family.

I hear a lot of people say that but I don't think I've ever heard a story where this is actually what happens (ie somebody who has a gun for safety is actually saved because they have said gun). I do hear lots of stories though about people, kids, schools etc gettiing shot. This weekend in Houston there were two shootings that I'm aware about. First was a road rage incident where one person shot another through a car windshield and the second was where a man got shot in the back after pushing in line at a convenience store. There probably are people who are saved by having guns, but I'm sure two people weren't saved in Houston this weekend, as such I think they do more damage to society than good.

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In this country gun control has become a non-issue politically.

It has?

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I would love to hear from others members, especially those in countries outside the US. Are the laws very restrictive? What are availability and prices like?

I'm maybe not the 'raging liberal' you might initially guess, I actually grew up in England which is pretty much gun free. Police don't have guns, criminal's don't have guns, about the only people who do have guns are farmers. A crime involving a gun in England is about as serious as a crime you can commit.

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Pedro40, I'd have to agree with Pariah Carey, can't go wrong with a Glock 19. I would advice against using a 22 for home protection. If you've just shot someone, regardless of caliber, your heart is going to be beating so loud in your ears you won't be able to hear anyways. Not to mention a 22 doesn't have enough stopping power.

As for the attitude of other countries views towards the United States and firearms I would say my impression is that it is generally negative. The one exception I found was when I was in Afghanistan and talked to the Brits there. They were shocked when they found out we could buy the Sig Sauer handguns they carried and thought it was the coolest thing. Also of them kept their rifles locked up or in their tents when they were on base. Meanwhile all of us Marines carried our rifles everywhere. EVERYWHERE. You ate with your rifle, took a shit with your rifle, and slept with it within arms reach. You did everything but shower with it, but then when you did another Marine was watching it for you. Because of that we got a reputation as all being John Wayne, which is a stereotype I embraced

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I hear a lot of people say that but I don't think I've ever heard a story where this is actually what happens (ie somebody who has a gun for safety is actually saved because they have said gun). I do hear lots of stories though about people, kids, schools etc gettiing shot. This weekend in Houston there were two shootings that I'm aware about. First was a road rage incident where one person shot another through a car windshield and the second was where a man got shot in the back after pushing in line at a convenience store. There probably are people who are saved by having guns, but I'm sure two people weren't saved in Houston this weekend, as such I think they do more damage to society than good.

It has?

There has been no significant gun control legislation at the federal level in this country in 20 years. We have an extremely anti-gun president in office and he hasn't been able to do anything other than some executive orders. So yeah.

Far be it from me to tell others how to live their lives, but I go through this world with a mentality of self reliance. I understand I'm much more likely to die in a car wreck than from an attacker, and in the grand scheme of things I'm probably going to live to a boring, ripe old age with nothing Terribly Bad ever happening. Violent crime is very rare because most people respect laws and the police.

But if my or my loved ones' lives were to be threatened, the only person that could stop it is me. That is not the time to be relying on the cops. Laws do not deter hardened criminals--only high velocity lead does. I realized this a long time ago. Yes the chances are slight, but it's insurance. That's just how I see things.

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There has been no significant gun control legislation at the federal level in this country in 20 years. We have an extremely anti-gun president in office and he hasn't been able to do anything other than some executive orders. So yeah.

Not being able to bring in new laws isn't the same as it being a non-issue.


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I understand I'm much more likely to die in a car wreck than from an attacker
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But if my or my loved ones' lives were to be threatened, the only person that could stop it is me.

50% of fatal car accidents in the US involve alcohol. If people cared half as much about DWI/DUI and things like texting while driving as they did their guns the country would be a much much safer place.

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Pedro40, I'd have to agree with Pariah Carey, can't go wrong with a Glock 19. I would advice against using a 22 for home protection. If you've just shot someone, regardless of caliber, your heart is going to be beating so loud in your ears you won't be able to hear anyways. Not to mention a 22 doesn't have enough stopping power.

The things I like about the Glock 19 are its size in that it's ideal for people of all ages, not too big and not too small, and it can still be carried concealed. The 9mm is an adequate cartridge for self-defense. I say adequate because all handgun calibers generally suck at making holes in people, but that is the price you pay for the compactness of a pistol.

Many of the Glock's design features make it more forgiving for less experienced shooters. It's a hammerless "striker fired" pistol so that each pull of the trigger is the same, meaning less chance of messing up that crucial first shot. It does not have a safety, and that freaks some people out, but I think that actually makes it more safe. Treat a gun like it's always loaded and you won't have to rely on a mechanical feature. The safety is in you, not the weapon.

More than the weapon, though, is the shooter's level of skill. You must get training if you are serious about keeping a firearm for safety. You will not rise to the occasion when the time comes. This is not a pass/fail exercise. Shooting a gun, especially a pistol, under stress, is difficult. You have to get training and you have to continue to train.

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both my wife and i have concealed carry permits. my only regret is the pa does not have open carry, like they do in texas. i never leave home w/o my dan wesson cco .45 acp tucked neatly inside my waistband.

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More than the weapon, though, is the shooter's level of skill. You must get training if you are serious about keeping a firearm for safety. You will not rise to the occasion when the time comes. This is not a pass/fail exercise. Shooting a gun, especially a pistol, under stress, is difficult. You have to get training and you have to continue to train.

Some old dead Greek said "We do not rise to the occasion, we fall to the level of our training." That is something I always tried to live by. I'm paraphrasing Jeff Cooper when I say that just as having a piano in your house doesn't make you a pianist, having a firearm in your house doesn't make you armed if you don't know how to use it.

I might also add for the sake of relating this to futures.io (formerly BMT) that just having a Ninjatrader or Sierra Chart trial downloaded on your desktop does not make you a trader lol.

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