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has anyone in here done a water fast? specifically for autoimmune disorders?

Fasting for three days can regenerate entire immune system, study finds - Telegraph

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has anyone in here done a water fast?

I've done a 14-day water fast and a 90-day juice fast.

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I've done a 14-day water fast and a 90-day juice fast.

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ya i ate dinner last night and am planning on going for 5 days. then slowly reintroduce soft foods back in this weekend. drinking only water with squeezed lemon juice. ive been drinking ice cold water and guess it should be warm.

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ya i ate dinner last night and am planning on going for 5 days. then slowly reintroduce soft foods back in this weekend. drinking only water with squeezed lemon juice. ive been drinking ice cold water and guess it should be warm.

I prefer cold water. And be careful on the lemon juice, when your stomach is empty it is a bad idea.

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I prefer cold water. And be careful on the lemon juice, when your stomach is empty it is a bad idea.

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ya i was just reading about getting your body more alkaline.

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I prefer cold water. And be careful on the lemon juice, when your stomach is empty it is a bad idea.

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what was it like? the first few days being the worst? i know i want to make it to 5 days. need to give the body time to reach the 'immune rebooting' stage where the old/inefficient/dysfunctional white blood cells to be removed and your stem cells producing new ones.

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what was it like? the first few days being the worst? i know i want to make it to 5 days. need to give the body time to reach the 'immune rebooting' stage where the old/inefficient/dysfunctional white blood cells to be removed and your stem cells producing new ones.

First 3 days will be the hardest, gets easier from there, particularly after 5-7 days.

It's not that hard really, depending on your motivations.

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First 3 days will be the hardest, gets easier from there, particularly after 5-7 days.

It's not that hard really, depending on your motivations.

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ya, im at 48hrs right now. pretty good at deflecting the hunger pangs towards other things till its time for bed. in your fast did you accomplish what you were set out for, be it physically or maybe mentally/spiritual?

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ya, im at 48hrs right now. pretty good at deflecting the hunger pangs towards other things till. in your fast did you accomplish what you were set out for, be it physically or maybe mentally/spiritual?

The fast absolutely helped, both the 14-day water fast and 90-day juice fast. They were both good for different reasons. I found the water fast easier, but also because it's unsafe to go much beyond 14-days then it wasn't as cleansing to my body as the 90-day juice fast was overall.

I've always liked water. Ice cold water. And I've been on a water only diet for years (no soda, coffee, caffeine etc) which made it easier. Interestingly enough, since I moved to Ecuador, I've started drinking Coke for the first time in probably 8-10 years. It's a bad development...

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ya, im at 48hrs right now. pretty good at deflecting the hunger pangs towards other things till. in your fast did you accomplish what you were set out for, be it physically or maybe mentally/spiritual?

I'm not sure what autoimmune disease you are trying to impact, and I'm not a doctor, but I do very much believe in the power of diet. It's simply our fuel that powers and governs everything in our life, so obviously it has the biggest impact.

I don't know how long you are intending to the water fast, and I don't know your health condition, but if it is safe to do so and you want to see more results you might transition from the water fast to a juice fast after around day 14, and try to go to 30 days on juice.

The juice fast is where I really noticed a lot of health benefits. Some really disgusting stuff getting eliminated from my body in armpits, tongue, just a nasty "smell" in general, etc. It really was eye opening. Most of it didn't start until after the 30 day mark though. It takes the body a long time to process the stored fat and material that is deep in your system.

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The fast absolutely helped, both the 14-day water fast and 90-day juice fast. They were both good for different reasons. I found the water fast easier, but also because it's unsafe to go much beyond 14-days then it wasn't as cleansing to my body as the 90-day juice fast was overall.

I've always liked water. Ice cold water. And I've been on a water only diet for years (no soda, coffee, caffeine etc) which made it easier. Interestingly enough, since I moved to Ecuador, I've started drinking Coke for the first time in probably 8-10 years. It's a bad development...

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thanks. were these one right after the other or did was there space between them? reason im asking is, if not, how did you go about eating again after the fast? did you slowly move back into eating like veggie soups and fruits? i figured i would go with a veggie broth soup with only mushy vegetables. then again the next day by adding rice or something.

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I'm not sure what autoimmune disease you are trying to impact, and I'm not a doctor, but I do very much believe in the power of diet. It's simply our fuel that powers and governs everything in our life, so obviously it has the biggest impact.

I don't know how long you are intending to the water fast, and I don't know your health condition, but if it is safe to do so and you want to see more results you might transition from the water fast to a juice fast after around day 14, and try to go to 30 days on juice.

The juice fast is where I really noticed a lot of health benefits. Some really disgusting stuff getting eliminated from my body in armpits, tongue, just a nasty "smell" in general, etc. It really was eye opening. Most of it didn't start until after the 30 day mark though. It takes the body a long time to process the stored fat and material that is deep in your system.

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i was just going to do 5 days on the water fast and then restructure my eating as i come out of it. i have actually been eating really healthy anyways for the last 9 months anyways. quit smoking and drinking as well. this is the diet i was going to try out. What is the Paleo Autoimmune Protocol? | Phoenix Helix juicing isnt out of the realm of possibility either since i think it pretty much fits in with it. my main goal isnt really a detox, but that will definitely be a positive side product of it all. im really shooting for the immune system reset and from what ive read you really need to not provide the body anything other than water which is why i was focusing on the fast.

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thanks. were these one right after the other or did was there space between them? reason im asking is, if not, how did you go about eating again after the fast? did you slowly move back into eating like veggie soups and fruits? i figured i would go with a veggie broth soup with only mushy vegetables. then again the next day by adding rice or something.

Two years apart.

Yes, start slow on real food. Honestly it was no problem for me eating cooked food again quickly, even the second day. But most have problems so go slow.

After the 90 day I stayed on mostly salads, plus some beans and rice and fruit for months.

My goal was weight loss. I lost 50 pounds on the 90 day juice fast.

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Two years apart.

Yes, start slow on real food. Honestly it was no problem for me eating cooked food again quickly, even the second day. But most have problems so go slow.

After the 90 day I stayed on mostly salads, plus some beans and rice and fruit for months.

My goal was weight loss. I lost 50 pounds on the 90 day juice fast.

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i have an immune disease that i have tried basically everything medically to fix. the strong medication family of biologics has helped. i really dont want to be taking these things forever. another thing that started up the last couple years was that my guts were terrible. i felt nauseous all the time and every time i ate. i couldnt poop for up to a week at a time, but it felt like i had to go all the time. if i went somewhere it felt like i was going to crap myself but i couldnt go. made long car rides very scary and paranoia definitely set in. so i had two things going on. both could easily be related. i never had a dr. check out the gut issue as that was a fairly recent thing(couple years). anyways i changed my diet and it literally only took a month to get back to normal. it was pretty amazing. im 6ft and weighed at the most around 190. for the last 5-6 months ive been hovering around the 160-165 area. that to me seems like a normal comfortable weight. though i never really thought i was heavy at 190 and the weight loss was just a byproduct. this fasting step to see if i can improve my first situation seems like a no brainer. in reality i dont want to lose anymore weight, but i know that will happen.

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Look up a guy named Dan on YouTube, his handle is life regenerator I think. The dude is crazy, but has a lot of hands on experience using diet to combat disease.

You can email him and he'll reply, or he used to a few years ago, and make specific recommendations.

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Look up a guy named Dan on YouTube, his handle is life regenerator I think. The dude is crazy, but has a lot of hands on experience using diet to combat disease.

You can email him and he'll reply, or he used to a few years ago, and make specific recommendations.

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ok thanks. I've also heard about a book or diet about eating for your specific blood type. I guess certain foods good better with certain blood types than others.

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update. completed this on friday night. reintroduced food according to the AIP diet and will do that for 1 month. should be interesting.

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update. completed this on friday night. reintroduced food according to the AIP diet and will do that for 1 month. should be interesting.

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its Autoimmune Paleo/Protocol. basically its a restricted paleo diet that totally removes some foods. then temporarily removes some more for 30 days. you then start adding back the foods in the temporary column slowly and one at a time to see if it affects you in any way.

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Idk, seems like a form of self torture. I mean I'm sure it does have some benefits to water fast but isn't it painful to go days without eating? Wouldn't it just be better to choose a better diet and/or just exercise more? Why the urge to go to such an extreme? Maybe I've never encountered an ailment that has persisted that can be healed by it so I've never had the need to do it. Usually when I go without food for a couple of meals my thoughts get really foggy and my mental state starts to deteriorate. To me it feels unhealthy physically but maybe I'm wrong. I've seen a lot of mixed reviews by the health world.

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Idk, seems like a form of self torture. I mean I'm sure it does have some benefits to water fast but isn't it painful to go days without eating? Wouldn't it just be better to choose a better diet and/or just exercise more? Why the urge to go to such an extreme? Maybe I've never encountered an ailment that has persisted that can be healed by it so I've never had the need to do it. Usually when I go without food for a couple of meals my thoughts get really foggy and my mental state starts to deteriorate. To me it feels unhealthy physically but maybe I'm wrong. I've seen a lot of mixed reviews by the health world.

isnt everything we do a little bit self torture? i guess in some cases it can be painful to eat constantly for days too. im not sure humans were built to have access to food right this second all the time. sometimes you have to go to extremes to shock the body to get it to do things it wasnt doing before and sometimes you get to a point where you will try anything for healing. it is rough for a couple days, but a lot of people become more focused and clear minded while fasting. it is not always done for physical healing but also spiritual.

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isnt everything we do a little bit self torture? i guess in some cases it can be painful to eat constantly for days too. im not sure humans were built to have access to food right this second all the time. sometimes you have to go to extremes to shock the body to get it to do things it wasnt doing before and sometimes you get to a point where you will try anything for healing. it is rough for a couple days, but a lot of people become more focused and clear minded while fasting. it is not always done for physical healing but also spiritual.

You might be right and I understand that it might be necessary to shock the body to a natural state it was designed for. You're right that humans, at times, did have to go days without eating before the modern era. I personally never have but I've had similar urges like going without sleep, heavily over exercising, and I used to also have to stretch and do strenuous yoga after physical work a couple times a month when I was in my early twenties just to go sleep properly. These are just some of the weird things I felt compelled to do at different points in my life all probably relating in someway to my body feeling unnaturally rested. Maybe there is some systems that need to be pushed to the extreme to work properly to compensate for not being pushed enough on a daily basis. I'm mainly curious if some people actually have a natural urge to fast despite what they read about it being positive.

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Hi, if you're interested in fasting i suggest you check out the work of Arnold Ehret who seem of great quality, i'm currently following his transition diet before fasting to see the effects it can have on vision, he has good explanations about why people actually feel bad during fasts and he explains what you actually host in your body that should be enough to give you the motivation to get clean.

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I'm an experienced faster. Been on many water only fasts from 3 days to 3-4 weeks. My longest was 32 days with just water (going for a 40 day water fast) but then broke it with juice and did the last 8 days on juice. I'm not much for the juice fast like Mike, as to me it's just easier to go without it all than drinking juice.

After 3-4 days your body will convert from burning glucose (carbs) to burning fat, and go into a physiological state called ketosis (this is not to be confused with ketoacidosis which is the harmful state that diabetics experience). Ketosis actually curbs your hunger. So on an extended fast, after a few days, your hunger subsides, and any hunger you experience is really just emotional desire to eat, not actually body hunger (I believe very few Americans actually ever experience true hunger. Most is just appetite/emotional 'hunger').

A person can fast with no problem as long as they have fat stores. Once the fat stores have been used up, the body has a warning before one goes into starvation in that true hunger will very strongly return signifying that it's time to eat again. Fasting is actually a very healthy thing for the body.

Just Google fasting or water fasting or therapeutic fasting and you will find all kinds of information on how beneficial it is and how it promotes healing and health.

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Hi, nice post

When did you start long fasts and what was your diet before ? I ask you this because to my understanding doing a long fast and breaking it with sugar killed some people because of the amount of waste they were carrying, what makes you feel bad during fasts is the waste your body is trying to evacuate and he does it through the digestive system, so when a person who is not clean breaks a fast with sugar all the waste that is in the stomach goes back to the blood, that can be dangerous to some, what is your experience concerning this statement ?

Also how has your health/body changed after long fasts especially skin tone and endurance/strength ?

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When did you start long fasts and what was your diet before ? I ask you this because to my understanding doing a long fast and breaking it with sugar killed some people because of the amount of waste they were carrying, what makes you feel bad during fasts is the waste your body is trying to evacuate and he does it through the digestive system, so when a person who is not clean breaks a fast with sugar all the waste that is in the stomach goes back to the blood, that can be dangerous to some, what is your experience concerning this statement ?

Also how has your health/body changed after long fasts especially skin tone and endurance/strength ?

Well I was really fasting for more spiritual reasons and the weight loss was a by-product to me. I had a 'normal' diet before and after. On a longer fast with just water you have to watch how you break it, and I wouldn't break it with sugar per se other than fruit juices. Nothing solid at first. The reason being with water only your digestive system actually shuts down after several days and normally it has to be awakened slowly. If you're doing a juice fast it's not quite as critical because your digestive system never shuts down since it has to digest the juices.

You definitely see the cleansing process in the body. That's why most people feel bad for several days is because they are detoxing. I think you would notice more in the skin if you actually had something wrong with your skin. Mine looks fine anyway, but it does seem as if your face gets 'brighter'. One time my teeth actually turned whiter. It's only happend once and it didn't last. lol

As far as endurance/strength, you can get weak at times, especially if exerting yourself. But some think that the longer you go the weaker you get, but that isn't really the case. Your body actually stabilizes after several days. Now from time time you may have a weak bout, but that's from another phase of detoxing as you go deeper into the fast.

When breaking a longer water fast, you do have to exercise control because you want to really eat a lot. Well at least I do. lol.

One interesting thing about ketosis though. It's the same state your body goes into when you go low carb (you check ketosis by buying Ketostix at the pharmacy and urinating on a strip. It turns purple if you're in ketosis). So you can get some of the benefits of fasting by eating low carb. It takes about 2-4 days to get in ketosis just like it does when you fast. And the longer you stay in ketosis, your body switches from being a glucose/carb burner to fat burner for fuel. Ketosis is the state your body goes into when you start burning fat instead of glucose.

Anyway, hope that answered some of your questions Feel free to ask more. I highly recommend this book (i'm not affiliated in any way and the links below are not affiliate links) to understand all about ketosis and the ketogenic diet, whether it's from fasting or going low carb.

Keto Clarity: Your Definitive Guide to the Benefits of a Low-Carb, High-Fat Diet - Kindle edition by Eric Westman MD, Jimmy Moore. Health, Fitness & Dieting Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.

And a good companion book that also helps show that cholesterol is not the villian it's been made out to be. The real culprit is inflammation and the foods that cause it (eating high carb which keeps to much insulin in your system).

Amazon.com: Cholesterol Clarity: What The HDL Is Wrong With My Numbers? eBook: Jimmy Moore, Eric C. Westman: Books

One other thing. I like to do the long fast, but in my opinion you can get just as much benefit over time from what I call 'series' fasting. Fast one day, eat one day, fast two days, eat two days, fast 3 days, eat 3 days. Start over, or keep going further. Once you detox doing this, and don't go back on the caffeine and sugar or high carbs, you can fast for 3 days with just water before you even feel like your fasting for the most part. If you can get cleansed from all that caffeine and sugar and carbs, then it doesn't affect you like it did before when you fast. And I'm not trying to turn this thread into a 'diet' debate. Just telling you may experience. There are people people that will vehemently oppose everything I just posted. Just do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

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How about acidity of the organism ?

I'm disappointed that it seems to be true that flesh, cereals and dairy are acidifying the organism , i don't think the breakthrough is high carbs/low carbs since fructose is a form of carbohydrate, i remember there is a study that tempted to prove fructose was bad but it appeared that they studied corn syrup which is not a fruit to my knowledge.

I love "junk" food but one has to think about what is available easily outside of the supermaket and that is fruits and vegetables, who can eat pastas and chicken everyday on his own ?

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How about acidity of the organism ?

I'm disappointed that it seems to be true that flesh, cereals and dairy are acidifying the organism , i don't think the breakthrough is high carbs/low carbs since fructose is a form of carbohydrate, i remember there is a study that tempted to prove fructose was bad but it appeared that they studied corn syrup which is not a fruit to my knowledge.

I love "junk" food but one has to think about what is available easily outside of the supermaket and that is fruits and vegetables, who can eat pastas and chicken everyday on his own ?

Well you do have 'good carbs' and 'bad carbs' as some classify them. The pastas, starchy vegetables, etc, are considered the 'bad' ones. Good green leafy vegetables, etc is what you want to eat. Even on a very restricted mean and fat diet, where you're basically eating vegan like Dr. Fuhrman's diet, he still has you stay away from the 'bad' carbs, the starchy ones. And on a low carb diet, you have to watch the fruit too. Sugar is still sugar (carbs/glucose) no matter what form it comes in. The fruit can keep you out of ketosis.

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Doest fasting causes acidity which can cause damage to the lining of the stomach.? Just curious..

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Doest fasting causes acidity which can cause damage to the lining of the stomach.? Just curious..

Not that I'm aware of. Everything that I've seen fasting actually brings your body back into balance of the way things should be. Quick Google and found this:

"The idea that fasting may cause an increase of gastric acidity in normal people is not true. Such an assumption is baseless and against the normal physiology of gastric acid secretion. It is an accepted physiological fact that fasting lowers the gastric acid."

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im looking for more research into the area of decreasing inflammation. what i was hearing/reading was that there is a study going on with positive results about the bodies ability to flush out weak/damaged immune cells during the fasting process after 72 hours and then actually start to replenish and 'build a whole new one'. i think the study is going on at USC, i dont have the link for what i was reading off the bat.

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im looking for more research into the area of decreasing inflammation. what i was hearing/reading was that there is a study going on with positive results about the bodies ability to flush out weak/damaged immune cells during the fasting process after 72 hours and then actually start to replenish and 'build a whole new one'. i think the study is going on at USC, i dont have the link for what i was reading off the bat.

A water fast is great, but you would likely have better results if you incorporated one or two juices into your daily routine for an extended period of time

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ya im going to eventually add in a juice, but i actually eat the big anti-inflammatory foods on that list every day. the whole idea of the fast though was the trashing and regeneration of bad/faulty immune cells after a 72 hour period.

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ya im going to eventually add in a juice, but i actually eat the big anti-inflammatory foods on that list every day. the whole idea of the fast though was the trashing and regeneration of bad/faulty immune cells after a 72 hour period.

There is a substantial difference between juicing and eating. With juicing, you can consume 5-10x as much in a single glass or two compared to what you would eat in a day.

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There is a substantial difference between juicing and eating. With juicing, you can consume 5-10x as much in a single glass or two compared to what you would eat in a day.

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true, and im not saying i wont juice, but if only juice worked for me and stopped the inflammation or muffled it, thats only a mask. i would return to the same state if i stopped. im not saying what whole immune reset thing works with fasting, but that seems like it would tgt the cause rather than masking it.

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ya im going to eventually add in a juice, but i actually eat the big anti-inflammatory foods on that list every day. the whole idea of the fast though was the trashing and regeneration of bad/faulty immune cells after a 72 hour period.

A lengthy water fast, and even a juice fast is basically a 'reboot'. It quickly detoxes you. It's not a bad idea at all.

Mike, that's a herculean feat going on juice for that long. I'm not sure I could do it. It's easier for me just to go without anything because it doesn't stimulate my taste buds. So how'd you feel as you began to transition off and back to solid food? It seems you would physically feel great. When I come off my water fasts I feel real good physically after I ease out of it.

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A lengthy water fast, and even a juice fast is basically a 'reboot'. It quickly detoxes you. It's not a bad idea at all.

this is what im talking about: Fasting triggers stem cell regeneration of damaged, old immune system -- ScienceDaily




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In the first evidence of a natural intervention triggering stem cell-based regeneration of an organ or system, a study shows that cycles of prolonged fasting not only protect against immune system damage -- a major side effect of chemotherapy -- but also induce immune system regeneration, shifting stem cells from a dormant state to a state of self-renewal.


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I have spent countless hours reading about proper nutrition. In the end we can only judge how we feel, what works for some may not work for others. Having said that, I think the only true test to tell how you feel is after 1 month of trying the diet. Why 1 month ? Knock out any placebo.

I wound up on a Ketogenic diet, averaging 15g carb day, but no more than 50g carb. I kicked out caffeine completely with this. Why Keto ? Because I believe this keeps your blood sugar the lowest compared to other diets. When your blood sugar goes for a roller coaster ride, I only think of it as causing unnecessary stress to your cells, body, etc. I can't prove it, but I think keeping your hormones, cells, etc in a smooth ride will increase longevity. Who knows though, I could just as easily get hit by a bus in the meantime. Day to day the diet works great, I don't yawn and can be productive from wake to sleep 16 hours. Getting through my days with no caffeine means a lot to me.

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I have spent countless hours reading about proper nutrition. In the end we can only judge how we feel, what works for some may not work for others. Having said that, I think the only true test to tell how you feel is after 1 month of trying the diet. Why 1 month ? Knock out any placebo.

I wound up on a Ketogenic diet, averaging 15g carb day, but no more than 50g carb. I kicked out caffeine completely with this. Why Keto ? Because I believe this keeps your blood sugar the lowest compared to other diets. When your blood sugar goes for a roller coaster ride, I only think of it as causing unnecessary stress to your cells, body, etc. I can't prove it, but I think keeping your hormones, cells, etc in a smooth ride will increase longevity. Who knows though, I could just as easily get hit by a bus in the meantime. Day to day the diet works great, I don't yawn and can be productive from wake to sleep 16 hours. Getting through my days with no caffeine means a lot to me.


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I have spent countless hours reading about proper nutrition. In the end we can only judge how we feel, what works for some may not work for others. Having said that, I think the only true test to tell how you feel is after 1 month of trying the diet. Why 1 month ? Knock out any placebo.

I wound up on a Ketogenic diet, averaging 15g carb day, but no more than 50g carb. I kicked out caffeine completely with this. Why Keto ? Because I believe this keeps your blood sugar the lowest compared to other diets. When your blood sugar goes for a roller coaster ride, I only think of it as causing unnecessary stress to your cells, body, etc. I can't prove it, but I think keeping your hormones, cells, etc in a smooth ride will increase longevity. Who knows though, I could just as easily get hit by a bus in the meantime. Day to day the diet works great, I don't yawn and can be productive from wake to sleep 16 hours. Getting through my days with no caffeine means a lot to me.

Hi, averaging 15g carb a day nice, I've been there myself - I had to reverse diet and go back as I was experiencing some negative effects (calorie reduced diet). I would add it's not about the sugar it's about insulin in the blood that we should care about. But it also depends on one's goal and how one's body reacts to carbs and fats - I know for example that after I go below 6-7% bodyfat I cannot allow myself any saturated fats otherwise I'm literally swollen and have to diet hard and exercise for another 3-4 days to make it go away. But I agree with you that simple sugars are overused and one should find right timing to apply those if needed, also that in big generalisation fat is better than carbs (but have to put a disclaimer that it depends on fitness goal - long and short term)

@Big Mike, you're right - I get most of my fibre, vitamins from my smoothies (can give recipe ) but there is a value in solid foods and allowing your stomach to actually do the job by breaking it down. Additionally depends if one is cutting down it fills you up longer and you're not craving as much.

As to fasting - I do intermittent fasting and have been for 2-3 years now. I've found many benefits coming from it if one is ready to change their perspective and approach to food - many of us just cannot or are not willing to. I drop fasting or decrease fast periods during bulking season and increase it to over 18hours to 36h when I'm cutting. Don't want to write an essay I bet there are smarter people over here

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I wanted to inquire about anyone's experiences with fasting and trading? I know when I've done intermittent fasting, I tend to be a bit more emotional. I was thinking of doing a 3-5 day water fast and wanted to check others opinions/experiences.


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I wanted to inquire about anyone's experiences with fasting and trading? I know when I've done intermittent fasting, I tend to be a bit more emotional. I was thinking of doing a 3-5 day water fast and wanted to check others opinions/experiences.

Stay away from the food commodities when fasting. Especially pork bellies.

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I wanted to inquire about anyone's experiences with fasting and trading? I know when I've done intermittent fasting, I tend to be a bit more emotional. I was thinking of doing a 3-5 day water fast and wanted to check others opinions/experiences.


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I second that question as I've been on 2 day fast and it does cause some concens.

ps. I usually do intermittent fasting and really occasionally a bit longer

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I second that question as I've been on 2 day fast and it does cause some concens.

ps. I usually do intermittent fasting and really occasionally a bit longer

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i started to fast after dinner yesterday. i am trading this week and its a pretty important week. other than getting a bit tired, fasting can provide mental clarity if you allow it. i have my desk in stand up only mode, cant put it back down easily, so i might get my taller chair if i start to become fatigued quickly. i am planning a 4-5 day fast this time and might follow it up with another 4-5 days next week too if i feel necessary.

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I personally feel like the most difficult period of a water or juice fast is the first 3-5 days. So I would encourage you to go longer, if you can given health requirements, etc etc etc. Ten days seems like a good sweet spot. That is just me, but it is far easier once you get past the initial hurdle. I am not a doctor.

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i started to fast after dinner yesterday. i am trading this week and its a pretty important week. other than getting a bit tired, fasting can provide mental clarity if you allow it. i have my desk in stand up only mode, cant put it back down easily, so i might get my taller chair if i start to become fatigued quickly. i am planning a 4-5 day fast this time and might follow it up with another 4-5 days next week too if i feel necessary.

A lot of people say they feel weak during a fast, don't drive, don't work out, etc. Honestly, I continued doing my normal activities during all of my fasts, including walking very long distances (miles). But I also had a lot of stored fat to burn, so it will depend on your own body conditions.

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I personally feel like the most difficult period of a water or juice fast is the first 3-5 days. So I would encourage you to go longer, if you can given health requirements, etc etc etc. Ten days seems like a good sweet spot. That is just me, but it is far easier once you get past the initial hurdle. I am not a doctor.

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A lot of people say they feel weak during a fast, don't drive, don't work out, etc. Honestly, I continued doing my normal activities during all of my fasts, including walking very long distances (miles). But I also had a lot of stored fat to burn, so it will depend on your own body conditions.

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i am keeping track of my weight with a 'smart scale' every day of the fast. i really dont want to lose very much weight. yesterday i was at 163.6 and im 6ft tall. i think my last fast i got down to the low 150s. i dont want to go much lower than that. based on the info ive posted about the immune regeneration after 72hrs i think 4-5 days is a good place to land given my goals.

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Stumbled on this guy recently re water fasting, diet & health...
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=loren+lockman+water+fasting[/yt]

Seems to know his stuff very well....

Also see...
Loren Lockman Optimal Diet Playlist
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDE2C4814014E7C8B[/yt]

Plus....Fasting Can Save Your Life by Herbert Shelton...lots of good info on water fasting...

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YaleNews | Anti-inflammatory mechanism of dieting and fasting revealed


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Researchers at Yale School of Medicine have found that a compound produced by the body when dieting or fasting can block a part of the immune system involved in several inflammatory disorders such as type 2 diabetes, atherosclerosis, and Alzheimer’s disease.

In their study, published in the Feb. 16 online issue of Nature Medicine, the researchers described how the compound β-hydroxybutyrate*(BHB) directly inhibits NLRP3, which is part of a complex set of proteins called the inflammasome. The inflammasome drives the inflammatory response in several disorders including autoimmune diseases, type 2 diabetes, Alzheimer’s disease, atherosclerosis, and autoinflammatory disorders.

“These findings are important because endogenous metabolites like BHB that block the NLRP3 inflammasome could be relevant against many inflammatory*diseases, including those where there are mutations in the NLRP3 genes,” said Vishwa Deep Dixit, professor in the Section of Comparative Medicine at Yale School of Medicine.

BHB is a metabolite produced by the body in response to fasting, high-intensity exercise, caloric restriction, or consumption of the low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet. Dixit said it is well known that fasting and calorie restriction reduces inflammation in the body, but it was unclear how immune cells adapt to reduced availability of glucose and if they can respond to metabolites produced from fat oxidation.

Working with mice and human immune cells, Dixit and colleagues focused on how macrophages — specialized immune cells that produce inflammation — respond when exposed to ketone bodies and whether that impacts the inflammasone complex.

The team introduced BHB to mouse models of inflammatory diseases caused by NLP3. They found that this reduced inflammation, and that inflammation was also reduced when the mice were given a ketogenic diet, which elevates the levels of BHB in the bloodstream.

“Our results suggest that the endogenous metabolites like BHB that are produced during low-carb dieting, fasting, or high-intensity exercise can lower the NLRP3 inflammasome,” said Dixit.

Other authors on the study include Yun-Hee Youm, Kim Y. Nguyen, Ryan W Grant, Emily L. Goldberg, Monica Bodogai, Dongin Kim, Dominic D’Agostino, Noah Planavsky, Christopher Lupfer, Thirumala D Kanneganti, Seokwon Kang,
Tamas L. Horvath, Tarek M. Fahmy, Peter A. Crawford, Arya Biragyn, and Emad Alnemri.

The research was funded in part by National Institutes of Health grants AI105097, AGO43608, AG031797, and DK090556.


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The team introduced BHB to mouse models of inflammatory diseases caused by NLP3. They found that this reduced inflammation, and that inflammation was also reduced when the mice were given a ketogenic diet, which elevates the levels of BHB in the bloodstream.

“Our results suggest that the endogenous metabolites like BHB that are produced during low-carb dieting, fasting, or high-intensity exercise can lower the NLRP3 inflammasome,” said Dixit.

Which is just more conformation of what has been being reported over the last several years about a ketogenic diet and high intensity interval training (HIIT).

It's important to note that eating low carb puts the body in the same ketogic state as fasting. So as far as benefits, a low carb diet is like fasting but getting to eat while you're doing it. : )

High-Intensity Interval Training and Intermittent Fasting - A Winning Combo for Fat Reduction and Optimal Fitness

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Anybody here has considered instead of full fasting a soylent, joylent type of diet?

The advantage would be getting all the nutritions needed, easy to count calories and easy on the stomach, not to mention starving less. So if weight loss is the goal, a 500-1000 kcal diet drinking it once or twice a day...

I have tried powder chow and it is pretty tasty specially with milk. It is like a protein shake.

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Anybody here has considered instead of full fasting a soylent, joylent type of diet?

The advantage would be getting all the nutritions needed, easy to count calories and easy on the stomach, not to mention starving less. So if weight loss is the goal, a 500-1000 kcal diet drinking it once or twice a day...

I have tried powder chow and it is pretty tasty specially with milk. It is like a protein shake.

Powder Chow | DIY Soylent from an Oregonian

There are also DIY recipes online...

Hi @Pedro40

All depends on your goal for the fast, but if you have 500-1000kcal then it's not full fasting, usually fasting refers to no calories or up to 30kcal a day. Otherwise you're just on reduced calorie diet and if so and you have 500-1000kcal to spare I would supply a quality protein from lean meat, fibre from a fresh smoothie and fats from either oil, avocado, nuts etc. This way it would be better than drinking synthetics which to me are quite dodgy (
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I'm currently on Day 5 of my fast. Just going to listen to my body and see how it goes. So not sure how long it will go but wouldn't be surprised if it goes 21-25 days. My main goal is to get my kidneys in better shape. I never did a fast when I switched from the Standard American Diet (SAD) to vegan. Wish I would have. I went Raw Whole Food Vegan and 2 and a half months later I had a major bad flareup of Gout. I had restless legs at night before the switch at times. My kidneys just wasn't in good enough shape to be able to concentrate on some foods. Turns out that I can't eat bananas or dates as I can't handle fruits high in simple sugars. Went RWHV in Nov. 2011 and had gout Jan 25 2012. Gout blew up my right foot the size of Texas! It was in every joint in my arch. I thought it was the baby spinach I was eating so I stopped that but continued everything else. So the gout got worse and it blew up my left knee. It took 3 and half viles of fluid taken out of my right knee to get me walking again. Then it started going into my neck. So I stopped my raw whole food vegan diet and switched to Raw Meal meal replacement powder. I have had that twice a day every day white a vegan lunch until 5 days ago.
I have not had any gout flare up since. However, the stiffness in my neck did get better but it has NOT gone away. So I really need to get my kidneys in better shape. I'm convinced that the stiffness in my neck will go away when the fast is completed. I have done lots of research and watching youtube videos on peoples results and I feel like this is what I need.
I feel like I'm on the right track and the restless legs have really kicked in starting on night 3. I only got 3 or 4 hours of VERY INTERRUPTED sleep. I tried only drinking 3 liters of water yesterday instead of 4 but that didn't work either. Still had restless legs and not much sleep. Maybe 4 hours or a touch more last night. I think today I will stop drinking about 5pm and give my kidneys time to catch up. I have noticed that the restless legs go away about 5 hours or so after I stop drinking. I will see if this works. Not really having any other issues yet. No elimination since day one. So no cleansing there of yet. Still have some gas tho so I know I have some old stuff in there that is being broken down but hasn't came out yet. No deep rooted emotional issues yet either. Most days I do feel like a nap in the afternoon. I'm not doing much during the day so I'm giving myself time to rest. After day 12 I will be back at work but I have a sit down type of job so I won't be expending much energy. If I start running out of energy or having troubles at work, I will check into getting a personal leave and not use my vacation days. I have doubts that I will have any major issues but you never know.
Other than that, not much to say. I feel fine and have plenty of energy. Hopefully ketosis wil burn my belly fat first! I never did get rid of all of my belly fat after the transition. If not, I'm sure I can get rid of it on the raw diet and some exercise if I can get rid of the stiffness in my neck.

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Y'all got me interested in this water fasting and i'm currently planning a New Year fast starting Monday. My goal is absolute minimum of 3 days as its my first time. I really want to go for 7-10 days though. I suffer from gout, IBS, lots of inflammation in the joints. I'm about 7kgs over ideal weight according to BMI. Really interested in the 'reset' effect.

A couple of questions, can i drink Green tea whilst on my fast and also, can i maintain my daily pro-biotic capsules?

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Y'all got me interested in this water fasting and i'm currently planning a New Year fast starting Monday. My goal is absolute minimum of 3 days as its my first time. I really want to go for 7-10 days though. I suffer from gout, IBS, lots of inflammation in the joints. I'm about 7kgs over ideal weight according to BMI. Really interested in the 'reset' effect.

A couple of questions, can i drink Green tea whilst on my fast and also, can i maintain my daily pro-biotic capsules?

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You CAN, but your digestive system will still be working if it has to digest the tea, but 3 days isn't enough for it to really shut down good anyway. And if it has to digest the tea, it should digest the capsules. But one of the benefits of water only, especially if you do go 7-10 days, is that the digestive system shuts down, it gives that rest, and the body is fully depending on fat for its nutrition (ketosis), and you're letting the body do its own thing without any help from you including the biotics.

Let me emphasize this...if you're healthy, you're not gonna die no matter how you feel. lol. If you've never done it before the detox could be harsh. The first time I did one I thought I was gonna die. Horrible headache from the detox for a few days, weakness, sleeplessness, etc. But I survived. Went about 13-14 days. About day 5 it started getting better. But you may not detox that bad.

And if you do go that long, come of with juice a day or two and start with some soft fruit like bananas. You could Google breaking a long fast.

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You CAN, but your digestive system will still be working if it has to digest the tea, but 3 days isn't enough for it to really shut down good anyway. And if it has to digest the tea, it should digest the capsules. But one of the benefits of water only, especially if you do go 7-10 days, is that the digestive system shuts down, it gives that rest, and the body is fully depending on fat for its nutrition (ketosis), and you're letting the body do its own thing without any help from you including the biotics.

Let me emphasize this...if you're healthy, you're not gonna die no matter how you feel. lol. If you've never done it before the detox could be harsh. The first time I did one I thought I was gonna die. Horrible headache from the detox for a few days, weakness, sleeplessness, etc. But I survived. Went about 13-14 days. About day 5 it started getting better. But you may not detox that bad.

And if you do go that long, come of with juice a day or two and start with some soft fruit like bananas. You could Google breaking a long fast.

This is great, thanks. I really appreciate the view, googling this stuff needs a good filter...

I'm pretty healthy, generally. So with the headaches, i guess popping a pill is no good either...?

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Y'all got me interested in this water fasting and i'm currently planning a New Year fast starting Monday. My goal is absolute minimum of 3 days as its my first time. I really want to go for 7-10 days though. I suffer from gout, IBS, lots of inflammation in the joints. I'm about 7kgs over ideal weight according to BMI. Really interested in the 'reset' effect.

A couple of questions, can i drink Green tea whilst on my fast and also, can i maintain my daily pro-biotic capsules?

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NO! The whole point in fasting is to divert your energy from digesting food and have it available for healing. If you intake anything other than water, your energy will go towards digestion. Keep in mind that your body uses slightly over 50% of it's energy in digestion and assimilation. If you was as so much to just put 1 teaspoon of freshly squeezed lemon juice in your water, your body will recognize it as food and there goes your energy to digestion instead of healing! Do not intake anything but water!
Monitor your blood pressure while fasting. It will lower some while your fasting, which is normal. Just don't let it get too low. Monitor your heart rate and if its gets beating too fast, break your fast. LISTEN TO YOUR BODY!! Very important when your fasting to get out of your mind and just listen to your body. You need to rest as much as possible while fasting. Save all your energy for healing. If I can find the videos I watched with some good information in it I will post it up later.
I would recommend that you spend some time doing more research on the subject before you start your fast.
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This is great, thanks. I really appreciate the view, googling this stuff needs a good filter...

I'm pretty healthy, generally. So with the headaches, i guess popping a pill is no good either...?

Nope. No good. Just gotta grin and bear it. : )

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NO! The whole point in fasting is to divert your energy from digesting food and have it available for healing. If you intake anything other than water, your energy will go towards digestion. Keep in mind that your body uses slightly over 50% of it's energy in digestion and assimilation. If you was as so much to just put 1 teaspoon of freshly squeezed lemon juice in your water, your body will recognize it as food and there goes your energy to digestion instead of healing! Do not intake anything but water!
Monitor your blood pressure while fasting. It will lower some while your fasting, which is normal. Just don't let it get too low. Monitor your heart rate and if its gets beating too fast, break your fast. LISTEN TO YOUR BODY!! Very important when your fasting to get out of your mind and just listen to your body. You need to rest as much as possible while fasting. Save all your energy for healing. If I can find the videos I watched with some good information in it I will post it up later.
I would recommend that you spend some time doing more research on the subject before you start your fast.
Best Wishes,
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Thanks Satch....I have time to do more research, but i still want try and start Monday. I can afford to stay out of the markets for a few more weeks if i need to but i really need to be getting back to trading in January.

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sorry guys...I'd rather be waterboarded.

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Thanks Satch....I have time to do more research, but i still want try and start Monday. I can afford to stay out of the markets for a few more weeks if i need to but i really need to be getting back to trading in January.

Here is a link. Water Fasting for the strongest effect and benefit of fasting | AllAboutFasting

Not sure if I can find the specific video about only having water and nothing else. I have watched so many of Loren Lockman videos on his youtube channel that it might take a day or two to find it. Your welcome to check out his channel if you like.

Honestly, you might be able to trade while fasting as trading doesn't take much energy to click on a mouse etc. Main thing is to track your mental alertness and/or fatigue and stop your self from trading if you know your not on your A game.

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sorry guys...I'd rather be waterboarded.

I can't help but be convinced from what I've read that i really need this....I'd rather do a juice fast but we have no juicer yet, and i don't trust the juice in the supermarkets here....it is China after all

I might feel like I've been waterboarded as i get into it...

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I can't help but be convinced from what I've read that i really need this....I'd rather do a juice fast but we have no juicer yet, and i don't trust the juice in the supermarkets here....it is China after all

I might feel like I've been waterboarded as i get into it...

Water fast is way more powerful!


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Interesting article about fasting on NYT:

https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/03/07/intermittent-fasting-diets-are-gaining-acceptance/?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

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started drinking 3 liters of water a day ... and after 3 months I sensed that the body began to behave differently ... much better

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