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I have spent countless hours reading about proper nutrition. In the end we can only judge how we feel, what works for some may not work for others. Having said that, I think the only true test to tell how you feel is after 1 month of trying the diet. Why 1 month ? Knock out any placebo.

I wound up on a Ketogenic diet, averaging 15g carb day, but no more than 50g carb. I kicked out caffeine completely with this. Why Keto ? Because I believe this keeps your blood sugar the lowest compared to other diets. When your blood sugar goes for a roller coaster ride, I only think of it as causing unnecessary stress to your cells, body, etc. I can't prove it, but I think keeping your hormones, cells, etc in a smooth ride will increase longevity. Who knows though, I could just as easily get hit by a bus in the meantime. Day to day the diet works great, I don't yawn and can be productive from wake to sleep 16 hours. Getting through my days with no caffeine means a lot to me.

Hi, averaging 15g carb a day nice, I've been there myself - I had to reverse diet and go back as I was experiencing some negative effects (calorie reduced diet). I would add it's not about the sugar it's about insulin in the blood that we should care about. But it also depends on one's goal and how one's body reacts to carbs and fats - I know for example that after I go below 6-7% bodyfat I cannot allow myself any saturated fats otherwise I'm literally swollen and have to diet hard and exercise for another 3-4 days to make it go away. But I agree with you that simple sugars are overused and one should find right timing to apply those if needed, also that in big generalisation fat is better than carbs (but have to put a disclaimer that it depends on fitness goal - long and short term)

@Big Mike, you're right - I get most of my fibre, vitamins from my smoothies (can give recipe ) but there is a value in solid foods and allowing your stomach to actually do the job by breaking it down. Additionally depends if one is cutting down it fills you up longer and you're not craving as much.

As to fasting - I do intermittent fasting and have been for 2-3 years now. I've found many benefits coming from it if one is ready to change their perspective and approach to food - many of us just cannot or are not willing to. I drop fasting or decrease fast periods during bulking season and increase it to over 18hours to 36h when I'm cutting. Don't want to write an essay I bet there are smarter people over here

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I wanted to inquire about anyone's experiences with fasting and trading? I know when I've done intermittent fasting, I tend to be a bit more emotional. I was thinking of doing a 3-5 day water fast and wanted to check others opinions/experiences.


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I wanted to inquire about anyone's experiences with fasting and trading? I know when I've done intermittent fasting, I tend to be a bit more emotional. I was thinking of doing a 3-5 day water fast and wanted to check others opinions/experiences.

Stay away from the food commodities when fasting. Especially pork bellies.

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I wanted to inquire about anyone's experiences with fasting and trading? I know when I've done intermittent fasting, I tend to be a bit more emotional. I was thinking of doing a 3-5 day water fast and wanted to check others opinions/experiences.


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I second that question as I've been on 2 day fast and it does cause some concens.

ps. I usually do intermittent fasting and really occasionally a bit longer

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I second that question as I've been on 2 day fast and it does cause some concens.

ps. I usually do intermittent fasting and really occasionally a bit longer

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i started to fast after dinner yesterday. i am trading this week and its a pretty important week. other than getting a bit tired, fasting can provide mental clarity if you allow it. i have my desk in stand up only mode, cant put it back down easily, so i might get my taller chair if i start to become fatigued quickly. i am planning a 4-5 day fast this time and might follow it up with another 4-5 days next week too if i feel necessary.

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I personally feel like the most difficult period of a water or juice fast is the first 3-5 days. So I would encourage you to go longer, if you can given health requirements, etc etc etc. Ten days seems like a good sweet spot. That is just me, but it is far easier once you get past the initial hurdle. I am not a doctor.

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i started to fast after dinner yesterday. i am trading this week and its a pretty important week. other than getting a bit tired, fasting can provide mental clarity if you allow it. i have my desk in stand up only mode, cant put it back down easily, so i might get my taller chair if i start to become fatigued quickly. i am planning a 4-5 day fast this time and might follow it up with another 4-5 days next week too if i feel necessary.

A lot of people say they feel weak during a fast, don't drive, don't work out, etc. Honestly, I continued doing my normal activities during all of my fasts, including walking very long distances (miles). But I also had a lot of stored fat to burn, so it will depend on your own body conditions.

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I personally feel like the most difficult period of a water or juice fast is the first 3-5 days. So I would encourage you to go longer, if you can given health requirements, etc etc etc. Ten days seems like a good sweet spot. That is just me, but it is far easier once you get past the initial hurdle. I am not a doctor.

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A lot of people say they feel weak during a fast, don't drive, don't work out, etc. Honestly, I continued doing my normal activities during all of my fasts, including walking very long distances (miles). But I also had a lot of stored fat to burn, so it will depend on your own body conditions.

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i am keeping track of my weight with a 'smart scale' every day of the fast. i really dont want to lose very much weight. yesterday i was at 163.6 and im 6ft tall. i think my last fast i got down to the low 150s. i dont want to go much lower than that. based on the info ive posted about the immune regeneration after 72hrs i think 4-5 days is a good place to land given my goals.

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Water Fasting Suggestion

Stumbled on this guy recently re water fasting, diet & health...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=loren+lockman+water+fasting

Seems to know his stuff very well....

Also see...
Loren Lockman Optimal Diet Playlist
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDE2C4814014E7C8B

Plus....Fasting Can Save Your Life by Herbert Shelton...lots of good info on water fasting...


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Anti-inflammatory mechanism of dieting and fasting revealed


YaleNews | Anti-inflammatory mechanism of dieting and fasting revealed


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Researchers at Yale School of Medicine have found that a compound produced by the body when dieting or fasting can block a part of the immune system involved in several inflammatory disorders such as type 2 diabetes, atherosclerosis, and Alzheimer’s disease.

In their study, published in the Feb. 16 online issue of Nature Medicine, the researchers described how the compound β-hydroxybutyrate*(BHB) directly inhibits NLRP3, which is part of a complex set of proteins called the inflammasome. The inflammasome drives the inflammatory response in several disorders including autoimmune diseases, type 2 diabetes, Alzheimer’s disease, atherosclerosis, and autoinflammatory disorders.

“These findings are important because endogenous metabolites like BHB that block the NLRP3 inflammasome could be relevant against many inflammatory*diseases, including those where there are mutations in the NLRP3 genes,” said Vishwa Deep Dixit, professor in the Section of Comparative Medicine at Yale School of Medicine.

BHB is a metabolite produced by the body in response to fasting, high-intensity exercise, caloric restriction, or consumption of the low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet. Dixit said it is well known that fasting and calorie restriction reduces inflammation in the body, but it was unclear how immune cells adapt to reduced availability of glucose and if they can respond to metabolites produced from fat oxidation.

Working with mice and human immune cells, Dixit and colleagues focused on how macrophages — specialized immune cells that produce inflammation — respond when exposed to ketone bodies and whether that impacts the inflammasone complex.

The team introduced BHB to mouse models of inflammatory diseases caused by NLP3. They found that this reduced inflammation, and that inflammation was also reduced when the mice were given a ketogenic diet, which elevates the levels of BHB in the bloodstream.

“Our results suggest that the endogenous metabolites like BHB that are produced during low-carb dieting, fasting, or high-intensity exercise can lower the NLRP3 inflammasome,” said Dixit.

Other authors on the study include Yun-Hee Youm, Kim Y. Nguyen, Ryan W Grant, Emily L. Goldberg, Monica Bodogai, Dongin Kim, Dominic D’Agostino, Noah Planavsky, Christopher Lupfer, Thirumala D Kanneganti, Seokwon Kang,
Tamas L. Horvath, Tarek M. Fahmy, Peter A. Crawford, Arya Biragyn, and Emad Alnemri.

The research was funded in part by National Institutes of Health grants AI105097, AGO43608, AG031797, and DK090556.


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