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Idk, seems like a form of self torture. I mean I'm sure it does have some benefits to water fast but isn't it painful to go days without eating? Wouldn't it just be better to choose a better diet and/or just exercise more? Why the urge to go to such an extreme? Maybe I've never encountered an ailment that has persisted that can be healed by it so I've never had the need to do it. Usually when I go without food for a couple of meals my thoughts get really foggy and my mental state starts to deteriorate. To me it feels unhealthy physically but maybe I'm wrong. I've seen a lot of mixed reviews by the health world.

isnt everything we do a little bit self torture? i guess in some cases it can be painful to eat constantly for days too. im not sure humans were built to have access to food right this second all the time. sometimes you have to go to extremes to shock the body to get it to do things it wasnt doing before and sometimes you get to a point where you will try anything for healing. it is rough for a couple days, but a lot of people become more focused and clear minded while fasting. it is not always done for physical healing but also spiritual.

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isnt everything we do a little bit self torture? i guess in some cases it can be painful to eat constantly for days too. im not sure humans were built to have access to food right this second all the time. sometimes you have to go to extremes to shock the body to get it to do things it wasnt doing before and sometimes you get to a point where you will try anything for healing. it is rough for a couple days, but a lot of people become more focused and clear minded while fasting. it is not always done for physical healing but also spiritual.

You might be right and I understand that it might be necessary to shock the body to a natural state it was designed for. You're right that humans, at times, did have to go days without eating before the modern era. I personally never have but I've had similar urges like going without sleep, heavily over exercising, and I used to also have to stretch and do strenuous yoga after physical work a couple times a month when I was in my early twenties just to go sleep properly. These are just some of the weird things I felt compelled to do at different points in my life all probably relating in someway to my body feeling unnaturally rested. Maybe there is some systems that need to be pushed to the extreme to work properly to compensate for not being pushed enough on a daily basis. I'm mainly curious if some people actually have a natural urge to fast despite what they read about it being positive.

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Hi, if you're interested in fasting i suggest you check out the work of Arnold Ehret who seem of great quality, i'm currently following his transition diet before fasting to see the effects it can have on vision, he has good explanations about why people actually feel bad during fasts and he explains what you actually host in your body that should be enough to give you the motivation to get clean.

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I'm an experienced faster. Been on many water only fasts from 3 days to 3-4 weeks. My longest was 32 days with just water (going for a 40 day water fast) but then broke it with juice and did the last 8 days on juice. I'm not much for the juice fast like Mike, as to me it's just easier to go without it all than drinking juice.

After 3-4 days your body will convert from burning glucose (carbs) to burning fat, and go into a physiological state called ketosis (this is not to be confused with ketoacidosis which is the harmful state that diabetics experience). Ketosis actually curbs your hunger. So on an extended fast, after a few days, your hunger subsides, and any hunger you experience is really just emotional desire to eat, not actually body hunger (I believe very few Americans actually ever experience true hunger. Most is just appetite/emotional 'hunger').

A person can fast with no problem as long as they have fat stores. Once the fat stores have been used up, the body has a warning before one goes into starvation in that true hunger will very strongly return signifying that it's time to eat again. Fasting is actually a very healthy thing for the body.

Just Google fasting or water fasting or therapeutic fasting and you will find all kinds of information on how beneficial it is and how it promotes healing and health.

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Hi, nice post

When did you start long fasts and what was your diet before ? I ask you this because to my understanding doing a long fast and breaking it with sugar killed some people because of the amount of waste they were carrying, what makes you feel bad during fasts is the waste your body is trying to evacuate and he does it through the digestive system, so when a person who is not clean breaks a fast with sugar all the waste that is in the stomach goes back to the blood, that can be dangerous to some, what is your experience concerning this statement ?

Also how has your health/body changed after long fasts especially skin tone and endurance/strength ?

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Hi, nice post

When did you start long fasts and what was your diet before ? I ask you this because to my understanding doing a long fast and breaking it with sugar killed some people because of the amount of waste they were carrying, what makes you feel bad during fasts is the waste your body is trying to evacuate and he does it through the digestive system, so when a person who is not clean breaks a fast with sugar all the waste that is in the stomach goes back to the blood, that can be dangerous to some, what is your experience concerning this statement ?

Also how has your health/body changed after long fasts especially skin tone and endurance/strength ?

Well I was really fasting for more spiritual reasons and the weight loss was a by-product to me. I had a 'normal' diet before and after. On a longer fast with just water you have to watch how you break it, and I wouldn't break it with sugar per se other than fruit juices. Nothing solid at first. The reason being with water only your digestive system actually shuts down after several days and normally it has to be awakened slowly. If you're doing a juice fast it's not quite as critical because your digestive system never shuts down since it has to digest the juices.

You definitely see the cleansing process in the body. That's why most people feel bad for several days is because they are detoxing. I think you would notice more in the skin if you actually had something wrong with your skin. Mine looks fine anyway, but it does seem as if your face gets 'brighter'. One time my teeth actually turned whiter. It's only happend once and it didn't last. lol

As far as endurance/strength, you can get weak at times, especially if exerting yourself. But some think that the longer you go the weaker you get, but that isn't really the case. Your body actually stabilizes after several days. Now from time time you may have a weak bout, but that's from another phase of detoxing as you go deeper into the fast.

When breaking a longer water fast, you do have to exercise control because you want to really eat a lot. Well at least I do. lol.

One interesting thing about ketosis though. It's the same state your body goes into when you go low carb (you check ketosis by buying Ketostix at the pharmacy and urinating on a strip. It turns purple if you're in ketosis). So you can get some of the benefits of fasting by eating low carb. It takes about 2-4 days to get in ketosis just like it does when you fast. And the longer you stay in ketosis, your body switches from being a glucose/carb burner to fat burner for fuel. Ketosis is the state your body goes into when you start burning fat instead of glucose.

Anyway, hope that answered some of your questions Feel free to ask more. I highly recommend this book (i'm not affiliated in any way and the links below are not affiliate links) to understand all about ketosis and the ketogenic diet, whether it's from fasting or going low carb.

Keto Clarity: Your Definitive Guide to the Benefits of a Low-Carb, High-Fat Diet - Kindle edition by Eric Westman MD, Jimmy Moore. Health, Fitness & Dieting Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.

And a good companion book that also helps show that cholesterol is not the villian it's been made out to be. The real culprit is inflammation and the foods that cause it (eating high carb which keeps to much insulin in your system).

Amazon.com: Cholesterol Clarity: What The HDL Is Wrong With My Numbers? eBook: Jimmy Moore, Eric C. Westman: Books

One other thing. I like to do the long fast, but in my opinion you can get just as much benefit over time from what I call 'series' fasting. Fast one day, eat one day, fast two days, eat two days, fast 3 days, eat 3 days. Start over, or keep going further. Once you detox doing this, and don't go back on the caffeine and sugar or high carbs, you can fast for 3 days with just water before you even feel like your fasting for the most part. If you can get cleansed from all that caffeine and sugar and carbs, then it doesn't affect you like it did before when you fast. And I'm not trying to turn this thread into a 'diet' debate. Just telling you may experience. There are people people that will vehemently oppose everything I just posted. Just do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

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How about acidity of the organism ?

I'm disappointed that it seems to be true that flesh, cereals and dairy are acidifying the organism , i don't think the breakthrough is high carbs/low carbs since fructose is a form of carbohydrate, i remember there is a study that tempted to prove fructose was bad but it appeared that they studied corn syrup which is not a fruit to my knowledge.

I love "junk" food but one has to think about what is available easily outside of the supermaket and that is fruits and vegetables, who can eat pastas and chicken everyday on his own ?

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How about acidity of the organism ?

I'm disappointed that it seems to be true that flesh, cereals and dairy are acidifying the organism , i don't think the breakthrough is high carbs/low carbs since fructose is a form of carbohydrate, i remember there is a study that tempted to prove fructose was bad but it appeared that they studied corn syrup which is not a fruit to my knowledge.

I love "junk" food but one has to think about what is available easily outside of the supermaket and that is fruits and vegetables, who can eat pastas and chicken everyday on his own ?

Well you do have 'good carbs' and 'bad carbs' as some classify them. The pastas, starchy vegetables, etc, are considered the 'bad' ones. Good green leafy vegetables, etc is what you want to eat. Even on a very restricted mean and fat diet, where you're basically eating vegan like Dr. Fuhrman's diet, he still has you stay away from the 'bad' carbs, the starchy ones. And on a low carb diet, you have to watch the fruit too. Sugar is still sugar (carbs/glucose) no matter what form it comes in. The fruit can keep you out of ketosis.

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Doest fasting causes acidity which can cause damage to the lining of the stomach.? Just curious..

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Doest fasting causes acidity which can cause damage to the lining of the stomach.? Just curious..

Not that I'm aware of. Everything that I've seen fasting actually brings your body back into balance of the way things should be. Quick Google and found this:

"The idea that fasting may cause an increase of gastric acidity in normal people is not true. Such an assumption is baseless and against the normal physiology of gastric acid secretion. It is an accepted physiological fact that fasting lowers the gastric acid."

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