I don't want to put oil on the fire, but it's seem to me that a health care system can't be perfect even in Canada it's not perfect. A big system like this can't be build in 2 years, even 10 years. It's take time to be acceptable. The people that say that in 2 years, we will see the result but damn it's not like this. You cannot evaluate a big system like in term of 2 years or 5 years. Sure you will see some changes but not big change. It's like in trading the numbers of hours that I put everyday have not give instant result. In Canada, it has take 40 to 50 years to be were we are. Yes you can copy what they doing in others country but you need to adapt it to the reality of the country. You need alot of conviction from the doctors, politics etc.. and a bit of good intention for want you want to leave to your children. You can call me socialist or communist. Is that normal to leave a person in some difficulty about a short time period because he cannot have the solution to help me right now(about job, psychological problem, life, it's trying to change his destiny etc...). Maybe, this person that you don't know and help him for some time , in the future it will help you indirectly when you cross the same difficuly in your life.
Check how much money the Fed have put in financial criss. And check what the too big to fail has say. It's was just a little glich in the system. Damn billion of dollar to be push in the taxpayer money. It's was a little glich. Come on, billion of dollar and after they pay themself big bonus. What the heck it's that. Can will call this justice?. And today I read the article politician have been attack from fanatism people about the past of the bill has past. It's strange that it's hasn't have this type of violence when they past the TARP bill.
For the Danny William surgegy, well he have money to pay him the surgery fast. Good for him if he like to pay big money. But, it's ddin't want to go in other province to get it done. But we undertand after why the real reason why he didn't to do it in Newfound land island, Because there doctors doesn't have the capacity to do it. But in others province they have the capacity to do it with good hospital. Ontario, Quebec, BC, Alberta has the capacity to do the same surgery. Why he didn't want to go to other province well, he isn't a welcome man in other province, because he has alot a dispute in the past with the federal system in general. This not the reason that the US media have done. To say that the canadian system aren't working. Please, Please don't listen to your media all the time. Make your own jugment and do your reasearch. If you don't find the reason search on others media(internet his there and it's international except for chinese persons).
And yes I pay more tax but them you have a little bussiness you have a lot a credit for your bussiness. My goal right now his have a regular job and have trading (swing postion). In that way I will have some credit for the trading part of my trading and reduce my tax to send to the gouv. I don't like to pay tax, and nobody like this but if know that you pay tax for some good reason why not. If everybody pay there part it's will be good on long run. But if some pay and others doesn't pay tax(Swiss bank. carabean bank ect...) well the system will still fail fail and fail on long run. I think we need a global approch for the tax problem not only local. Put the right rule for all the people and bussiness around the world (not only elite persons) and I think it will save the problem in long term. But if we the convinction to do this (all people and country). Maybe I have a uptopic mind but think global now. Not in term of a country.
Just my two cents.
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Right...like you said earlier. They'll be going to their "country club" (members only) hospitals. Why would they want to wait 2 or 3 weeks to see a Doctor, and then get treated like your on an assembly line.
I have no wish to be critical of America’s system of government or health care system . But with the greatest of respect, most Australians find it very strange that the world’s wealthiest country has not been able (until now it seems) to provide quality health care to a large percentage of its citizens (yes I’ve seen SiCKO). Therefore in principle I’m in favour of the US Health bill, although I can’t claim to understand the details or the issues and problems.
I can however, briefly describe the health system we have in Australia.
In Australia, universal health care is a right and enshrined in legislation for 35 years. Our system is far from perfect but our public healthcare system, known as Medicare, provides healthcare to all 23 million citizens, not just the young, elderly and disabled. Oddly dental was excluded and only recently has this been addressed to a limited degree.
In the first 10 years after it came in there were countless cases of fraud by doctors but the system gradually fine-tuned itself to become more efficient. Nowadays no political party is electable unless it actively supports Medicare.
Australia's hospital healthcare system is primarily a public one although there is a thriving private sector. All Australians are covered under the Medicare system which is funded through general tax revenues. Australians also pay a 1.5% Medicare levy when they submit their annual tax return which is additional to income tax (only the Federal govt raises income taxes, not States) and when gross salary exceeds $140,000 an additional Medicare Surcharge levy also applies if the person is not also covered by private hospital insurance.
Private insurance is available from numerous specialist companies including one owned by the Federal government, which is possibly the biggest in this country. Employers do not provide private health insurance to their employees normally but it can be included in executive salary packages. Private health insurance is also subsidized by 30% by the Federal government if you take out private hospital insurance before the age of 31.
Many people, like myself, have private health insurance (I think 40-45% of Australian do). I do this to ensure I can get certain medical services without being on a waiting list – common with orthopaedic surgery for example, and essential for dental. On the other hand friends of mine have had no problem getting admission to public hospitals as Medicare patients for a wide variety of medical and surgical conditions.
Under Australia's public system, a patient's hospital bills are covered 100%. Patients can elect to see physicians of their choice who charge higher fees and pay out-of-pocket for the care. Then the patient can submit the bill to Medicare and be reimbursed for the amount Medicare pays the physician based on the set fee schedule.
Pharmaceuticals are covered under Australia's Medicare plan with copays – about $18 - even for very expensive drugs. Those on pensions pay a smaller copay (about $3) than the working citizens and there is a maximum out-of-pocket safety net. Most medications are covered under the plan with some exceptions such as Viagra.
As I said, the Australian system of health care is far from perfect. The Federal govt is planning to take majority control of public hospital health care funding away from the States which should reduce unnecessary duplication of costs, and improve health care and most Australians appear to be in favour of this as the State-based health care delivery system has been declining for years. However the States are likely to resist passionately so we are about to see a political bun-fight on health in this country soon.
Disclosure: I worked in the public sector pathology industry in Australia for 20 years and Medicare worked well in my experience both as a medical professional and a patient.
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I'm not really qualified to give an in-depth explanation, but I think it's pretty safe to say that a lot of us (Americans) oppose Obamacare, because we are strong believers in the "free market" system.
To a lot of us, Obamacare is just bigger govt, and a lot of us believe, "the smaller the
govt, the better".
Personally, I believe there are only a few things that govt needs to concern themselves with...Roads and bridges, providing a military to protect us from foreign
attacks, provide a police force to protect us from each other, provide a court system to help us resolve our disputes, and maybe build a few public libraries and museums.
Yes, it is a shame that health care cost in this country has spiraled out of control. I got a tooth cavity filled recently, it cost me $250, and it took the dentist all of 10 minutes to do the work. No wonder he drives a Cadillac Escalade.
But, I'd rather pay the $250, than have our govt regulate the dental profession.
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At some point people will have enough, take to the streets, stand in front of tanks on Pennsylvania Avenue, eventually realize that tear gas, baton bashings, and prison suck more, then finally accept that an "American" is analogous to the "Cowboy", a ficticious character from a nostalgic period in our history before we became a socialist state.
What I don't get is half the country wants one thing and the other half wants another, so what about those Independents who are in the middle of this Democratic vs Republican stands.
I too believe in free markets, protections against terror, tax cuts, as well as health care. But there is one huge flaw in our system, government has been paying for things on credit since year 2001, to which we had a surplus of $236B in 2000. So we've been spending on credit (huge buyers of out debt China) since and one day we will have to pay the piper.
I get what you guys here are saying but as a independent, our elected officials should not be passing any laws that is not paid for. When you implement tax cuts that takes away from our government surplus which increases deficit, when we fight wars that are not paid for that adds to our deficit especially wars that were fought for the wrong reasons (Iraq) to which the story that the media has not brought out is how all these countries were bidding for Iraqs oil reserves (Oh by the way China won a huge portion of those Bids which Adds to China Surplus (Boi oh Boi), medicare part D not paid for but congress passed it, now this health-care bill may be paid for, but what about the Fixes (Reconciliation Bill) that was just signed today we don't no the cost.
I tell you guys if we don't come together as a country both Dems and Reps as well as Independents then we are going to continue down this slippery slop of huge deficits and buying things on credit.
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The progressives will screw it up as they do everything else they set their grubby hand to. Silly to think otherwise. Moreover, there are some that seem to believe that healthcare is a right and that the govt should be providing cradle to grave care for theem, how foolish, how futile. We are all going to get sick and we are all going to die, some of us soon than expected. And for those who think other people should "share their burden" of healthcare costs, to them I say, "no" unless I want to. Neither you nor I deserve welfare or entitlement......... you havn't the right to take my property for your benefit. Moreover, to think govt healthcare will solve your problem, good luck with that and welcome to standing in line for your meager rations. BTW, I just can't wait to pay for some methheads, pregant teenagers birthing babies, and career multi-generational welfare slugs healthcare needs............. This plan is bad for democracy and bad for America.