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Just wondering if people have seen this video and what they think about it... To me it was kind of funny in a monty python kind of way, but of course I do not know the cultural subtleties the makers or true feelings the makers were going for...


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Just wondering if people have seen this video and what they think about it... To me it was kind of funny in a monty python kind of way, but of course I do not know the cultural subtleties the makers or true feelings the makers were going for...


Is this the one those wackos got upset about ?

Seems harmless to me

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Ya, this is what caused the demonstrations, the terror attacks is another story. The timing of this movie's release does seem like a strange coincidence however. Apparently it has been released anonymously, the money trail on this is cold.

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Not true...

I do believe the producer and the money trail are available.

Not offered as opinion, just commentary as response to the prior post:


Israeli producer of anti-Islam movie that sparked attacks says he made it to help his countryby Adam Horowitz and Phil Weiss on September 12, 2012

Yesterday, the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, was killed in an attack on the American consulate in Benghazi. Three other staff members of the consulate were also killed. The attack came as protests took place in Libya and Egypt over an American-made YouTube video that mocked Islam and the prophet Muhammad.

The video was financed and posted to YouTube by Sam Bacile, a 52-year old Israeli real estate developer based in California. There are reports that Bacile has gone into hiding since yesterday's violence. This Associated Press report says Bacile made the film because he thought it would help Israel, and that he raised the $5 million to make the film from "more than 100 Jewish donors". Thus Islamophobia comes from Israel to the U.S.:

Speaking by phone from an undisclosed location, writer and director Sam Bacile remained defiant, saying Islam is a cancer and that the 56-year-old intended his film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion.

Protesters angered over Bacile's film opened fire on and burned down the U.S. consulate in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi, killing an American diplomat on Tuesday. In Egypt, protesters scaled the walls of the U.S. embassy in Cairo and replaced an American flag with an Islamic banner.

"This is a political movie," said Bacile. "The U.S. lost a lot of money and a lot of people in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but we're fighting with ideas."

Bacile, a California real estate developer who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, said he believes the movie will help his native land by exposing Islam's flaws to the world.

"Islam is a cancer, period," he said repeatedly, his solemn voice thickly accented.

The two-hour movie, "Innocence of Muslims," cost $5 million to make and was financed with the help of more than 100 Jewish donors, said Bacile, who wrote and directed it.

The film claims Muhammad was a fraud. An English-language 13-minute trailer on YouTube shows an amateur cast performing a wooden dialogue of insults disguised as revelations about Muhammad, whose obedient followers are presented as a cadre of goons. . .

Though Bacile was apologetic about the American who was killed as a result of the outrage over his film, he blamed lax embassy security and the perpetrators of the violence.

The NY Times also uses the phrase Jewish donors in this account by Robert Mackey and Liam Stack:

The trigger for the anti-American outbursts was the amateurish, American-made video opens with scenes of Egyptian security forces standing idle as Muslims pillage and burn the homes of Egyptian Christians. Then it cuts to cartoonish scenes depicting the Prophet Muhammad as a child of uncertain parentage, a buffoon, a womanizer, a homosexual, a child molester and a greedy, bloodthirsty thug.

The trailer was uploaded to YouTube by Sam Bacile, whom The Wall Street Journal Web site identified as a 52-year old Israeli-American real estate developer in California. He told the Web site he had raised $5 million from 100 Jewish donors to make the film. “Islam is a cancer,” Mr. Bacile was quoted as saying.

The video gained international attention after it was publicized in the Egyptian media and a Florida pastor began promoting it along with his own proclamation of Sept. 11 as “International Judge Muhammad Day.”

Is this the relationship America wants with the Islamic world? As Trita Parsi writes in his book, Treacherous Alliance:

"There was a feeling in Israel that because of the end of the Cold War, relations with the U.S. were cooling and we needed some new glue for the alliance," Efraim Inbar [now director of the Begin Sadat Center for Strategic Studies] said. “and the new glue... was radical Islam. And Iran was radical Islam.”

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Actually, there is no record of a person named Sam Bacile that has been located as yet...

“Sam Bacile” told The Wall Street Journal and The Associated Press in interviews Tuesday that he was an Israeli-born Southern California-based real estate developer, who received $5 million from “100 Jewish donors” to finance his anti-Islam film, Innocence of Muslims, “Islam is a cancer,” he told the Journal and AP.

But several elements of “Bacile’s” story appeared on further examination Wednesday to be phony. There are, for instance, no California real estate license records for anyone with the last name Bacile. And the fact that Bacile said precisely “100 Jewish” donors financed the project also seemed dubious. Israeli officials, contacted by Al-Monitor, declined to say if Bacile was an Israeli citizen, demurring in part because of uncertainty over whether that was a real name.

in an interview with The Atlantic’s Jeff Goldberg on Wednesday, admitted that “Sam Bacile” is a pseudonym, and that Bacile is neither Israeli nor Jewish. Klein further claimed to Goldberg that he didn’t know Bacile’s real name, didn’t know his origin, and that he had only met him in total for one hour.

'Sam Bacile' may be pseudonym for someone linked to Egyptian Coptic diaspora-not Israeli

Trace of cell phone used by "Sam Bacile" led AP to Nakoula Basseley Nakoula outside LA. Who else in on the con?

Film 'consultant' Steven A Klein claims to have met pseudonymous 'sam bacile' for only hour, doesn't know real name. Who signed his check?

Steve Klein tells @Jeffgoldberg he doesn't know Sam Bacile's real name : Muhammad-Film Consultant: 'Sam Bacile' Is Not Israeli, and Not a Real Name - Jeffrey Goldberg - The Atlantic

real estate records 1 thing public records good at preserving. Can find no record of 'Sam Bacile'. misdirection?

is Morris Sadik clue to 'sam bacile'? @julianBorger - The Hollywood connection The Hollywood connection: how a real estate man's film led to rage in Libya | World news | guardian.co.uk

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Who is Sam Bacile?

Who Is Sam Bacile? Anti-Islam Filmmaker's Bio Doesn't Add Up - ABC News

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Very interesting!

Sam Bacile, where art thou?

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It's kind of hard to believe that so many major mass media companies were publishing stories calling this fake person a California real estate developer. I guess when 6 corporations control 90% of the mass media due diligence becomes irrelevant... What we need is some enforcement of anti-trust laws, not a gold standard... markets are meaningless without competition. God forbid when they force congress' hand to control of and end freedom of the internet..

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US identifies anti-Muslim filmmaker 'Sam Bacile' as Nakoula Basseley Nakoula

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