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The iPhone was a revolution, 6 years ago. I bought one and am thankful to Apple for creating it.

But I think today's iPhone vs today's Android devices -- well, I prefer Android. I've been preferring Android for the last few years.

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I have a general philosophy in life about ideas. Apple created a lot of the ideas that brought about the i-everything ecosystem. Whether you like Apple or not, its about ideas. Ideas move mountains, and create value and wealth. Ideas are the cornerstones of an evolved society.

Without original ideas, we are nothing but insects. Mindless insects. We must value the thought process that creates and nourishes those ideas and must punish and abhor anything that impinges or destroys that creative process.

In my mind, that fine is a slap on the wrist. Bad boy, don't cheat! No, cheaters and copiers must be punished and treated as every other serious crime.

If Apple copied (truly copied other ideas), then they deserve they same punishment.

Apple didn't create the ideas. The pc, the mp3 player, the cell phone... Apple didn't create those products, they monetized them. And their misinformed customers are none the wiser. The Apple nut-huggers are entitled to their delusions: put an iphone and galaxy in anyone's hands and they'll walk away with the galaxy. Now, thanks to Apple spending their money on litigation vs. innovation, perhaps they can snag a few more victims. Apple is using the right strategy - prevent the consumer from having a choice. Their stock price soars because they over-charge, and under-deliver. That is sustainable only as long as their marketing continues to dupe their customers. So far so good - and shame on them.

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Apple didn't create the ideas. The pc, the mp3 player, the cell phone... Apple didn't create those products, they monetized them. And their misinformed customers are none the wiser. The Apple nut-huggers are entitled to their delusions: put an iphone and galaxy in anyone's hands and they'll walk away with the galaxy. Now, thanks to Apple spending their money on litigation vs. innovation, perhaps they can snag a few more victims. Apple is using the right strategy - prevent the consumer from having a choice. Their stock price soars because they over-charge, and under-deliver. That is sustainable only as long as their marketing continues to dupe their customers. So far so good - and shame on them.

Please re-consider what I wrote. I suggest Apple created the ideas for the i-ecosystem (not the hardware).

They monetized them?
Like Microsoft monetized the PC-OS. Like RIM monetized the Blackberry, like Google monetized Search. I repeat - ideas create wealth. The examples are all around us.

Misinformed users across 210 countries to create a company worth more than 700Billion?
The largest in history, over hardware makers, over car makers, OVER OIL COMPANIES. Do you see trend of wealth moving from thing makers to idea creators.

iPhone vs Samsmug hardware?
That is personal choice. I did walk away with an S3. I regret it. I was swayed by its big screen and shiny specs. Drive a BMW against any other car, you will notice why BMW "under performs and over charges" on paper. But in reality everyone copies a BMW, no one copies a Honda. I repeat - Ideas.

Are you prepared to accept ideas contrary to your beliefs?

Apple restricting choice?
Why, did it stop you from buying a Samsung? Are people that easily swayed by marketing that over 7years ago Apple started this so-called forced campaign to deceive consumers and they still succeed? Man, are all these consumers a stupid bunch. Hey, @ThatManFromTexas - I think you have have been deceived. You must sue apple or else risk being called a delusional nut hugger.

At the risk of being called a "delusional nut hugger" (i have been called much worse), I stick to my statement


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@Deucalion
If Apple copied (truly copied other ideas), then they deserve they same punishment.

If you read the Steve Jobs' biography you will find the man himself admits to copying and stealing from others. Even the original Macintosh innovative GUI was stolen from Rank Xerox. Apple is neurotically two-faced by taking Samsung and anyone else to court for copying.

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Apple is using the right strategy - prevent the consumer from having a choice. Their stock price soars because they over-charge, and under-deliver. That is sustainable only as long as their marketing continues to dupe their customers. So far so good - and shame on them.

Well said. Duping customers and would-be customers also comes through in the biography. I think Jobs was clearly looking for some kind of forgiveness by having such a revealing book written. Not a nice guy, and not a nice company trying all sorts of tricks to keep competitors at bay. Let the market decide, not a jury with potential Apple-brainwashed members on board.

If you own Apple stock don't forget to have a sensible stop loss in place. Don't hold too long.

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@Deucalion
If Apple copied (truly copied other ideas), then they deserve they same punishment.

If you read the Steve Jobs' biography you will find the man himself admits to copying and stealing from others. Even the original Macintosh innovative GUI was stolen from Rank Xerox. Apple is neurotically two-faced by taking Samsung and anyone else to court for copying.

@timefreedom
Apple is using the right strategy - prevent the consumer from having a choice. Their stock price soars because they over-charge, and under-deliver. That is sustainable only as long as their marketing continues to dupe their customers. So far so good - and shame on them.

Well said. Duping customers and would-be customers also comes through in the biography. I think Jobs was clearly looking for some kind of forgiveness by having such a revealing book written. Not a nice guy, and not a nice company trying all sorts of tricks to keep competitors at bay. Let the market decide, not a jury with potential Apple-brainwashed members on board.

If you own Apple stock don't forget to have a sensible stop loss in place. Don't hold too long.

Really! now I give up. Here is my last post on this thread before we start going really off topic

Please open your eyes....read some facts before typing what you just did.

Myth: Copyright Theft, Apple Stole GUI from Xerox PARC Alto | Obama Pacman

Steve Jobs Was Willing To 'Rip Off' Everyone Else... But Was Pissed About Android Copying iPhone? | Techdirt

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And to @aligator, I apologize hijacking your thread. Buy nothing, save your money, get a used phone - phones are overrated. Like Mike said get a cheap used Razer for sub 200 or less. Neither the S3 nor the coming Iphone 5 (both likely around 700 - 800bucks) are worth it. Do we really need all these "smart"phones? Once I break this S3 (or willingly smash it), I really should look at whether I really need a toy like this.


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The largest in history, over hardware makers, over car makers, OVER OIL COMPANIES. Do you see trend of wealth moving from thing makers to idea creators.

...

I don't own a smartphone, so maybe I'm not qualified to take part in this discussion....

But the claim above has been disputed. The comparison is made using today's Dollars and not taking into account inflation. Doing so it is probably Microsoft which - about 10 years ago - was the most expensive company valued at 850 billions (about 600 then).

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Got the S3..great!
There is an app called FlipBoard which illustrates how much better it is to read on Samsung phones an entire article.

Who invested the CD? Philips...Sony cashed on it.
Zerox Invested the photocopy machines and years later Canon ruled and still does.
The bottom line: Just because you are the first does not mean you will rule forever.

Here is the best part about buying the S3 from Samsung: I did not have to stand inline behind a teenager who twitted to his friend in front of him that he didn't shower for 3 days to get the new iPhone.

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Here is the best part about buying the S3 from Samsung: I did not have to stand inline behind a teenager who twitted to his friend in front of him that he didn't shower for 3 days to get the new iPhone.

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And to @aligator, I apologize hijacking your thread. Buy nothing, save your money, get a used phone - phones are overrated. Like Mike said get a cheap used Razer for sub 200 or less. Neither the S3 nor the coming Iphone 5 (both likely around 700 - 800bucks) are worth it. Do we really need all these "smart"phones? Once I break this S3 (or willingly smash it), I really should look at whether I really need a toy like this.

@Deucalion

You realize... the guy that dies with the most toys wins...right...right...

I'm just a simple man trading a simple plan.

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