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Source: Bespoke Investment Group - Think BIG - Obama Remains Strong on Intrade; GOP Strong inCongress


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Four months from today, citizens across the country will hit the ballot boxes to cast their votes in this year's Presidential election. Over at prediction market website, Intrade.com, President Obama continues to hold a near 20-point lead over Mitt Romney in his re-election bid. Obama's odds of winning currently stand at 58.4%, while Romney's odds are below 40 at 39.7%.

Bettors have been widening Obama's lead over the past two months as well. On June 6th, the spread between Obama and Romney was at 8.8% (Obama: 52.3%, Romney: 43.5%). As of today, the spread is Obama +18.7%.

While the polls may suggest a closer race, people wagering actual money have made Obama the odds on favorite as of now.

Intrade.com also has contracts for which party will win the House and the Senate. While Republicans may be down about the Presidential race, they have Congress to fall back on, since they're in the lead to win both the House and Senate. In the House, the Intrade odds for the GOP to maintain control stand at 86.5% In the Senate, the odds are tighter, but the GOP is still in the lead to win control at 52.3%. The odds for the Democrats to maintain control of the Senate after the November election stand at 29.7%, while the odds for neither party to win control are at 18%.

The odds for the GOP to win the House versus the Senate have been going in opposite directions recently, however. As shown in the second chart below, the odds to win the House have been steadily rising all year, while the odds to win the Senate have been falling.

If the Intrade odds all pan out, we'll have a Democrat in the White House and a Republican controlled Congress. But we all know that four months can be an eternity in an election year, and these odds will likely move around quite a bit between now and early November.


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This is what the GOP gets for rigging Ron Paul's delegate wins into obscurity and promoting a onepercenter who hasn't paid taxes (effectively) for 10 years.

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The old guard GOP will be gone in a decade. The GOP began to decline when they abandoned fiscal conservatism.

The reason that the GOP became so powerful was because it aligned social conservatives (aka bible thumpers) with fiscal conservatives and libertarians. Many libertarians were forced to decide between suffering the conservative laws of the GOP (drinking, prostitution, drugs, etc) and suffering the robbery of the Democrats (taxes, redistribution, big government, etc). They obviously chose to keep the government out of their wallet.

But in recent times, we've seen the true nature of the beast.....there's really no appreciable difference between the DNC and the GOP. Social differences are meant to be a distraction from the real evil that's perpetrated. Both parties have become enslaved to corporations and banks and bloated government, bureacrats and regulatory authorities.

The DNC will grow in considerable numbers over the next decade, as seeds they planted with welfare and immigration policy begin to bear fruit. The DNC has long had the idea to flood the electorate with low income, uneducated voters who are supportive of socialist and redistributive policies.

The ONLY thing that can save the Republican party at this point is a resurgence in fiscal conservatism....which they are staunchly resisting. In GOP internal battles, tea party Republicans still fight an unending battle with entrenched old guard Republicans.

The baby boomers are aging and won't live forever. The Christian conservative is a dying breed. 2010 Census data are very alarming when examining relative growth (and shrinkage) rates of various groups. The state of Texas for example, grew by 6 million people between 2000 and 2010...90% of which were minorities.

The GOP better wake up.......the decision before them is to either relinquish power to a new resurgence of Reagan style libertarians...or risk losing everythign and not even having a fillibuster capable force in Congress.

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This of course, assumes that the world economy and all fiat currency nations don't implode before the GOP completely dies out.

In the end, I think the damage is done. We're already snake-bitten and we're just operating on borrowed time. We're going to burn and collapse, the question is simply when and how bad. The more fuel (money) we throw on the ignition source to drown it out, the larger the inferno will be when it finally catches.

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Romney to name Paul Ryan as VP

Romney to announce running mate Saturday morning – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Mitt Romney VP pick: 'All signs point to Ryan' - POLITICO.com

Mitt Romney Set To Pick Paul Ryan As Running Mate

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I really don't believe that Romney has a chance to win the presidency due to majority of college campuses being liberal. Some being close to 90% liberal

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Washington Post , June 21st:
Romney’s Bain Capital invested in companies that moved jobs overseas - The Washington Post

Some debate about the article:
The Offshoring Debate | RealClearPolitics

"Deputy ministerlady of propaganda" (whether true or not, like those global map animations )




(still going to write in Ron Paul's name on the ballot)

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Dogs Against Romney

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When I saw this.. He could have warned the public.. Instead Martha Stewart had to make
a show about her prison garb.




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If true (confirmed?) then that just pisses me off... but obviously shouldn't surprise anyone, it wasn't even illegal until just recently.

On a side note, it's a sad state of affairs when Russia Today has some of the best actual news reporting on America when compared to all the main stream news outlets. But again, not a surprise.

Now Max obviously is a wing nut, but I like Lauren Lyster's program "Capital Account". Max often has good messages to deliver, but he is just way to over the top for me to support

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Agreed Big Mike. It riles me too and also made me feel sad.. Yes, Kaiser can be too much fun.

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Gerald Celente: "All of Society is Rotting Out!" on the Markets, Finance and POLITICS

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while you might classify me as a Jeffersonian; Webster is a Hamiltonian (Americanism). While I would want the Jeffersonian model, it will not work currently. Because I am a cutting edge thinker, I had already adopted the Hamiltonian model before I knew it was Hamiltonian and ever heard of this guy, Webster.

Global Financial Collapse is Coming! Interview with Webster Tarpley - YouTube

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All of us want our candidate to win, but I prefer to view it as it is.

Florida, Iowa, Wisconsin and North Carolina are likely going to Romney.

Indiana, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Nevada are likely going for Obama.

Ohio is too difficult to tell.

Some say Nevada may go to Romney due to massive unemployment and depression, and that Michigan may unpredictably swing too because of Romney's respect within the state. While it's possible, I prefer to be going with good polling data and say both will go to Obama. So where does this leave the election? I think things are looking good for Romney. Which states am I missing?

The house will pickup more GOP votes, and the senate will very likely become GOP controlled. It's unlikely for the GOP to reach 60 votes however.

I would not follow any newspaper polls besides for the concise publicly released data from Rasmussen and Gallup.

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There are interesting stats here:

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Obama and Romney do not add to 100. That means a wise betting man would short Obama and go long Romney. Nice arb play there!

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Obama and Romney do not add to 100. That means a wise betting man would short Obama and go long Romney. Nice arb play there!

hehe, close though..



I'm sure the commission fees and slippage would kill the edge

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hehe, close though..



I'm sure the commission fees and slippage would kill the edge

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The only fee is $5.00 monthly make the bet large enough and you can cover it.

You can also still sell shares for others to win for .01, so they might just be pricing that in.

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Thought this was good commentary on Paul Ryan and everything else. What kbit posted the link to in chat:


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A little chart markup. Romney looks like he is headed for a breakout.



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Source: For Higher Stock Returns, Vote Republican Or Democrat?

Source: 80-year study: Democrats better at economics | WashingtonExaminer.com

Source: Stocks Return More With Democrat in White House: BGOV Barometer - Bloomberg

Source: GOP Vs. Democrats: Who's Best For America's Economy? - Forbes

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Anyone see Clint Eastwood?

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Anyone see Clint Eastwood?

Love his movies, but wow.





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If true (confirmed?) then that just pisses me off... but obviously shouldn't surprise anyone, it wasn't even illegal until just recently.
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Yes, another example of government interference in free markets, making insider trading by politicos illegal. I wonder if Mitt would strike down that law along with the health insurance program.

Paul Ryan sold shares on same day as private briefing of banking crisis | World news | guardian.co.uk

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These types of analysis are usually spurious at best.

A) The economy isn't a Ferrari. It doesn't turn on a dime. In most instances, it can take months or years for policies to have full effect or even noticeable effect. The economy is more like an ocean liner. If it's heading the wrong direction, and you turn it back, it doesn't respond immediately. Conversely, if it's headed in the right direction and you turn toward the wrong way, it can take awhile before detrimental policies can begin to get it slowed down and reversed. The real GDP was already on it's way up when Clinton took office and already on it's way down when he left.

B) The President is only one part of policy in Washington and usually a minority part. Congress has more effect and power than the President. Very few President's enjoy a holy trinity with both houses of Congress of their party control. Clinton for example, had to deal with the likes of Newt Gingrich and Bush had to deal with the likes of Pelosi and Reid.

C) In modern/recent history, Democrats = Republicans. They're both big spenders and cronyists. Can anyone name ANYTHING with respect to fiscal or monetary policy that's different under Obama than it was under Bush (or would have been under McCain)? The "Bush tax cuts" shouldn't be labled as such anymore, because they became the "Obama tax cuts" as soon as he renewed them.

D) The stock market isn't a very good metric or bellweather for economic health...as we've seen recently, just because the stock market is doing fair to good, doesn't mean that Americans are employed or aren't underemployed. Additionally, anyone can cook the books using debt (both governmental and PERSONAL) to mask the real cancer underneath. If I lose my job and then take a new one at lesser pay, and I open a dozen credit cards...I could fool everyone for quite awhile.

What we should strive for more than anything is stability. Competitiveness is important, no doubt. We already feature some of the highest tax rates (corporate and individual) in the industrialized world. This puts us at a HUGE disadvantage with emerging markets. Regulatory environment is now starting to become just as impactful as tax environment.

But what's stifling the economy THE MOST, is simply uncertainty. Businesses and capitalists have no idea WHAT the business climate will look like next year, let alone 3 or 4 years from now. The best thing Obama could do to grow the economy is to lock in current rates and freeze all regulatory burdens for 3 or 4 years. Of course as I outlined above, given the gridlock in Congress, this is no easy task.

One thing is certain...our profligate policies and spending are going to catch up with us sooner or later.

If we wanted to grow the economy, the BEST policy would be to slash spending (in order to slash tax burdens) repatriate capital and jobs from abroad by making our own shores the most attractive places to START new business ventures and to manufacture goods. Then we need to address the stifling regulatory environment.

Steve Jobs and Apple will tell you, they don't prefer to operate in China. The labor disparity notwithstanding, they don't even mind paying more labor here at home (US workers tend to have better productivity rates), but it's the agility that emerging markets and China provide via lax regulatory environments. Apple can make a decision and have products ready to ship in a matter of weeks with factories in China. That same process takes months to YEARS in the US. Combine that with stifling union contracts and negotiations, and the next thing you know, you're simply at an agility disadvantage to other companies who are operating abroad.

Americans must understand that for every rule, regulation, etc, there's a cost. Our civility and our social advancements are starting to become very costly. It's easy to pass a law requiring every business operate a certain way or licensing or inspections or standardization, etc...but those things ALL have direct and indirect costs.

In summary, in recent history, it doesn't matter whether it's Democrat or Republican. Both spend beyond our means. Both tax too much. Both keep piling on Federal regulations and burdens which drive business overseas. Both are slaves to lobbyists and banks and corporations which have the resources to circumvent or marginalize regulatory burdens (or shape regulations to their competitive advantage).

I don't know how anyone can knock capitalism or say it's the problem, we haven't tried it in decades.

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If anyone knows of a similar historical chart that is based on house/senate majority, instead of sitting President, I would like to take a look at it. I think that is more telling than simply looking at the President.

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John Cusack Interviews Law Professor Jonathan Turley About Obama Administration?s War On the Constitution


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"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist." That wasn't Eugene Debs speaking — that was Winston Churchill.

Obama has asserted the right to kill any citizen that he believes is a terrorist. He is not bound by this panel that only exists as an extension of his claimed inherent absolute authority. He can ignore them. He can circumvent them. In the end, with or without a panel, a president is unilaterally killing a US citizen. This is exactly what the framers of the Constitution told us not to do.

Now, belief in human rights law and civil liberties leads one to the uncomfortable conclusion that President Obama has violated his oath to uphold the Constitution. But that's not the primary question for voters. It is less about him than it is them. They have an obligation to cast their vote in a principled fashion. It is, in my opinion, no excuse to vote for someone who has violated core constitutional rights and civil liberties simply because you believe the other side is no better. You cannot pretend that your vote does not constitute at least a tacit approval of the policies of the candidate.

CUSACK: Well, some of the people will say the bread-and-butter issues, "I got healthcare coverage, I got expanded healthcare coverage."
TURLEY: See, that's what I find really interesting. When I talk to people who support the administration, they usually agree with me that torture is a war crime and that the administration has blocked the investigation of alleged war crimes.
Then I ask them, "Then, morally, are you comfortable with saying, 'I know the administration is concealing war crimes, but they're really good on healthcare?'" That is what it comes down to.

TURLEY: Well, the question, I think, that people have got to ask themselves when they get into that booth is not what Obama has become, but what have we become? That is, what's left of our values if we vote for a person that we believe has shielded war crimes or violated due process or implemented authoritarian powers. It's not enough to say, "Yeah, he did all those things, but I really like what he did with the National Park System."


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What about the Tea Party? Where is their candidate? What is their stance on bringing in a mary jane tax to help get a handle on the fiscal cliff?

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What about the Tea Party? Where is their candidate? What is their stance on bringing in a mary jane tax to help get a handle on the fiscal cliff?

The tea party got squashed just like Ron Paul by the RINOs (Republican in Name Only) and entrenched, old guard of the GOP.

The media does a masterful job at presenting the current choices (Obama and Romney) as appreciably different and contrasting on policy, but again, on anything REALLY significant, they're virtually the same. Romney talks a good game, but his past says he's just a good liar. Ryan talks a good game too, and low and behold, his voting record is awash with typical big government Republican decisions.

Only in America, can the debt be growing at an exponential rate, and a Republican step up and call reductions to the pace of growth a "cut" and portray himself as a fiscal conservative.

None of them will touch the drug war issue, because they're cowards. They know that it would be unpopular with some and that if we legalized drugs today, 90% of the counties across the nation would be bankrupt within a year (unless they had MASSIVE layoffs of police, prison and court employees). Like DUI's the government doesn't WANT to stop it, they simply want to make money from it. It's a form of legalized extortion. If someone is an alcoholic, we call it a disease and we treat them. If someone is a drug addict, we throw them in jail. The US has the highest incarceration rate of ANY nation in the world. It's insanity...especially when you look at who the chief lobbyists for drug laws are (police unions, private prison corporations, etc).

Don't even get me started with the insane policy on Hemp. We could fuel the entire nation off the oil provided with just 6% of the land use in Hemp. It's clean and renewable, carbon neutral, it has no narcotic value (but it LOOKs like cannibus)...it's used in everything from textiles to thermal efficient building materials to composite materials. Henry Ford built an auto made extensively of Hemp panels and products and was going to run it off hemp oil over a half a century ago. But the oil and timber industries lobbied against it.

When we ignore the Constitution, out of an effort for convenience or perceived security, we simply open the door wider for the government to give is terribly ineffective and corrupt policies...in everything from taxes, to regulations and laws. The degredation of the profession of law and journalism are partly to blame. Journalists don't tell the truth and judges apparently, never read or studied the Constitution.

A judge rules that it's unConstitutional to deny an illegal immigrant emergency healthcare or public education, or state paid legal counsel, but if you asked them if it's okay for an illegal to buy and own a firearm, they'd scream absolutely not. If you asked them if it's okay for an illegal to vote, they'd say no. The logic among the judiciary is simply absurd.

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Link posted from local radio talk station. re: Obama's "you didn't build that business" gaff.
Amusing if nothing else.. the start of this week kicks off the "convention" on "class warfare".


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Last night at the DNC all I heard is about how much they cared about me. They understood me. They loved me. This confuses me a little. For the last 3 1/2 years all I have heard from the DNC is how I am racist, terrorist, SOB, and host of other derogatory terms and accusations. So which is it? do they care for me or do they hate me? I am confused.

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Last night at the DNC all I heard is about how much they cared about me. They understood me. They loved me. This confuses me a little. For the last 3 1/2 years all I have heard from the DNC is how I am racist, terrorist, SOB, and host of other derogatory terms and accusations. So which is it? do they care for me or do they hate me? I am confused.

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Barack Obama is getting to set to make his case at the Democratic National Convention for why Americans should give him a second term in office. One chart that you are unlikely to, but should, see is a comparison of his first 1,325 days in office to other Presidents since 1900. As shown in the chart below, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has risen 66.8% since Obama took office, making it the fifth best stock market return during a President's first 1,325 days in office since 1900. The only four other Presidents who saw better returns in their first 1,325 days were FDR, Coolidge, Eisenhower, and Clinton.

While the stock market returns during his time in office are impressive enough, an even more interesting statistic is how the equity market has performed during the first 1,325 days in office for Democrats versus Republicans. Of the eleven Republicans since 1900, the DJIA has averaged a gain of 20.4% during their first 1,325 days in office. That may sound good, but for the eight Democratic Presidents since 1900, the DJIA has seen an average return of 54.9%, or more than two and a half times the average return of Republicans. While President Obama may have a hard time running for re-election based on the performance of the economy, he could certainly run on the performance of the market!



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As I said before, and is perfectly evident over the past 2 days...the market and indices are a POOR metric for the health of our economy or the collective prosperity of Americans. A BETTER metric is REAL GDP (indexed for inflation) (even though I think the inflation rates are suspect).

US Real GDP by Month

As I've said, the economy was already on the upswing when Clinton took office and was already stalling/fading when he left.

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I'm 60 and have been voting for a while but this year, I will not be casting my vote for the lesser of the two major evils and instead am going to cast my 'protest' vote for Gary Johnson (yes, effectively a vote for Obama, who I did vote for last time). Not that it matters, since I live in California.

Gary Johnson 2012

His platform and party might be unrealistic in dealing with the realities of the problems we face but at least he has some pretty rational ideas and he isn't part of the currently broken system. I'm a middle-of-the-roader who cannot fathom the divisiveness in this country in the face of such large "common enemy" problems that we should be able to compromise on and begin to solve. Hard line blanket defenses of either the Democrats or Republicans perplex me.

Not sure what I'm going to do with my Senate/House vote.

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This is from 2009 but presents a very different picture. It should be noted that congress makes the laws not the president.

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Not sure what I'm going to do with my Senate/House vote.

This is what is of key importance. All the emphasis on President is really overstated.

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Barry/Obama

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and the guy that found out ..... Andrew Breitbart the creator of Breitbart

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and the guy that was attempting to conclude the death of the guy that found out.....

Breitbart’s coroner poisoned to death?

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I sure hope it happens because the other guy scares me. Literally scares me.

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I sure hope it happens because the other guy scares me. Literally scares me.

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I want Clinton back

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How about having a poll sometime near the election Big Mike? It could run like this:

who are you voting for?:

Obama

Romney

Ron Paul (fill in)

Other

would be interesting to see how the votes tally in the futures.io (formerly BMT) community..


another poll could be, who are you voting for your state senator? (local congressman?)

Republican

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Other

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As I said before, and is perfectly evident over the past 2 days...the market and indices are a POOR metric for the health of our economy or the collective prosperity of Americans. A BETTER metric is REAL GDP (indexed for inflation) (even though I think the inflation rates are suspect).

US Real GDP by Month

As I've said, the economy was already on the upswing when Clinton took office and was already stalling/fading when he left.

Indeed. And the markets have even cheered high unemployment and other economic numbers -- up to a point -- when they seemed to point to more QE, which has little to do with creating jobs. As far as Bill, he was in the sweet spot of economic growth and the internet stuff, at the right time, with no seriously bad global stuff happening. Just as Obama caught a very toxic hand-off, Clinton was able to put it on cruise control.

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I sure hope it happens because the other guy scares me. Literally scares me.

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Hope is fleeting, change is scary. The last 4 years is proof of that. Let's hope for our children's sake it goes the other way.


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Last night at the DNC all I heard is about how much they cared about me. They understood me. They loved me. This confuses me a little. For the last 3 1/2 years all I have heard from the DNC is how I am racist, terrorist, SOB, and host of other derogatory terms and accusations. So which is it? do they care for me or do they hate me? I am confused.

You must be Al Quaeda?

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Love his movies, but wow.


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Check out this zinger from Eastwood:


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“President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people,”


Here is the whole article on he came up with the improv speech at the RNC.

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To be completely honest with all of you, I am not very knowledgable on all the details of politics and don't want to be. I think it would be very difficult to know all the details of every aspect of what goes on in Washington without being part of it. None of us knows what goes on behind closed doors. We don't know what is agreed to, or decided upon. Can we trust what is reported to us? Do we get the entire story? When some legislation is passed do they tell us that it also inludes some favor for someone on page 5000? Sometime yes and sometimes no? I believe for most of us it comes down to a few core issues or beliefs. That's why it's almost impossible to convince someone to change sides. For example, if you are anti-abortion you will probably vote as a republican. If you feel abortion should be legal you vote Dem. If you don't like public assistance type programs you vote Rep, if you are for them you vote Dem. if you feel corporation deserve special benefits or tax breaks etc then I guess you vote Rep. If you feel corporations should pay a fair wage then Dem. ofcourse there are the independents etc. but I think for most it is a few key issues that decides it for most. Then there are topics like the middle East.. How do you deal with Isreal? Well, if you want the Jewish vote you side with Isreal, but many feel that they took the land they walk on and won't co-exist with anyone. I have no idea what is right or wrong regarding that topic. Who does? I think it depends who you ask.

When it comes to the he said she said stuff who do you believe? Does Romney really want tax cuts for the wealthy? I don't know, does he? If its not true then don't say it, but if it is true I would ask why.

Is Social Security an entitlement? Well, they've been taking money out of my checks for 34 years, so I think I'm entitled to that money. I would have preferred they didnt take it and let me use it, but if you're gonna take it for my future you better be prepared to give it back.

Abortion. All arguments aside it comes down to this for me. Nobody or government should be able to tell anyone what they can and cannot do to their body.

When asked about how Romney intends to balance the budget did he really say ...get back to me on that after the election? I don't know, did he? If he did shouldn't he really give an idea of his plan? Doesn't it at least make you say huh? In all fairness is Obama's plan valid? Will it work? Has he given details? Even if he has we don't know if it will work.

So, it comes down to a few core things and how I feel about each person. For me that's O.

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Has Romney stated who he would replace Helicopter Ben with? I found quotes saying he would replace him, but not who with. Or is that another one of those things he won't tell us until after he is elected? (just trust him)



Ben Bernanke's commitment expires January 2014, but I assume he can be fired by the new administration at any time.

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Ben Bernanke's commitment expires January 2014, but I assume he can be fired by the new administration at any time.

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He's just taking a page from Obama; "lets pass it first then we will find out whats in it".

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This sums up the message from the democratic convention.


Quoting 
The system is rigged. America is unjust. Opportunity is dead. You didn’t build that.

Dammit, where’s mine?

Oh, and Republicans are the people who rigged the system. They’re trying to take away your rights to vote, to health care, to education, to housing. They hate women, gays and immigrants. They don’t pay their fair share and they’re un-American.

Barack Obama lights candles, Mitt Romney spreads darkness, and Usama bin Laden is dead.

Don’t agree? You’re not patriotic.

The democrats talk about how caring and tolerant they are yet when you read the above statement it is filled with hate and intolerance. The worst part is this what they actually believe! They say they want a united America but they are the first to point out the guy next to you makes more than you and should be despised for it. They are are the first ones to call you a racist because you didnt vote for the first black president. They are the first to say you hate women then have Bill Clinton, the man who cheated on his wife in the oval office with an intern come to the convention to be a key note speaker. If case you have forgotten the National Organization of Women didn't even protest when this happened because he was not a republican. Sandra Fluke did you applaud when Bill Clinton spoke or did you protest?

Then theres you didnt pay your fair share.Of course this only applies to a select group of the population. 50% of people who are eligible to pay federal tax do not. Yet they never mention these people. Just the millionaires and billionaires making 250,000 or more.

Then this past week Wasserman Schultz lied twice about what she had said during a democratic training session. She was caught when the audio came out of her exact words. Was there any protest? Was there a call from Obama to for her to apologize for lying? Was there a call to step down? Of course not. Democrats it seems have a free pass to lie or exaggerate. She must took her queue from the President Obama who said the private sector was doing just fine. Can you imagine what would happen if a republican was caught in such a lie?

Then a representative of the Obama's team called Romney a felon. There was audio and everything. When Obama was question about this he flat out said no one on my team called Romney a felon. This was a straight up lie yet no one called him on it.

Would anyone want to work for these people? They would stab you in the back if it was to their advantage. How about a role model for your children? Is lying and blaming everyone for your problems the way you were raised? Are these the morals you instill in your children?

The democratic party is running a popularity contest. There motto. Destroy or marginalize and label the opposition at any cost. I feel like we are in high school again. If they did these things in high school they would be expelled for being a bully but in political world they are put on pedestal and labeled as caring.

The America I grew up in is nearly gone. I am horrified for my what my son may have to grow up in. I am embarrassed for not doing more to prevent it.

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...They are the first to say you hate women then have Bill Clinton, the man who cheated on his wife in the oval office with an intern come to the convention to be a key note speaker...

Uh, I would say he did it because he loves women

Personally, I would pay to have Clinton back. I don't care how many affairs he has, I voted for him to run the country. He can go have orgies between cabinet meetings, as long as he gets the job done that I hired him for.

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I refuse to vote for someone based on my perception of weather or not he will be good for the economy. I firmly believe that only a moral people can remain free. Therefore I vote only for those persons on either side of the isle that reflect my personal moral values. Chief among those is the issue of life. Does a society have the right to take the life of another person? There are a few ways a society takes life. 1. War. 2. Execution (murder by the state). 3 Abortion. 4. Murder by civilian.

I believe that if a person values human life lightly, all other issues are irrelevant. Further I believe if he/she under values human life, all the other freedoms so expressly delineated the Declaration and in the Constitution will be fair game for destruction. For if human life is not valuable, can any other virtue or freedom be deemed valuable enough to protect.

I'm sorry if that makes me an extremist but I know what I believe and am willing to stand by it.

For this reason alone, I am not terribly impressed with any of the current choices at this point. Nor have I been a huge fan of most of the choices in recent memory.

I will vote for the lessor of two evils in this case and pray it doesn't bite me in the ass.

I used to be pro war if it was "just", pro execution if it was warranted and pro life in the case of abortion. Now I'm just pro life in all its forms.....

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Uh, I would say he did it because he loves women

Personally, I would pay to have Clinton back. I don't care how many affairs he has, I voted for him to run the country. He can go have orgies between cabinet meetings, as long as he gets the job done that I hired him for.

I should be the role model and moral compass for my children.


Agree with this - though Clinton caught the tail-wind of luck with the internet boom.

I remember Ross Perot's warning of a "great sucking sound" of jobs leaving the US if NAFTA passed. He was right, but that was only the beginning.

Politicians are generally immoral by definition. It's almost a requirement in the job description, with few exceptions, so anyone claiming the moral high-ground is usually lying to get your vote.

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I refuse to vote for someone based on my perception of weather or not he will be good for the economy. I firmly believe that only a moral people can remain free. Therefore I vote only for those persons on either side of the isle that reflect my personal moral values. Chief among those is the issue of life. Does a society have the right to take the life of another person? There are a few ways a society takes life. 1. War. 2. Execution (murder by the state). 3 Abortion. 4. Murder by civilian.

I believe that if a person values human life lightly, all other issues are irrelevant. Further I believe if he/she under values human life, all the other freedoms so expressly delineated the Declaration and in the Constitution will be fair game for destruction. For if human life is not valuable, can any other virtue or freedom be deemed valuable enough to protect.

I'm sorry if that makes me an extremist but I know what I believe and am willing to stand by it.

For this reason alone, I am not terribly impressed with any of the current choices at this point. Nor have I been a huge fan of most of the choices in recent memory.

I will vote for the lessor of two evils in this case and pray it doesn't bite me in the ass.

I used to be pro war if it was "just", pro execution if it was warranted and pro life in the case of abortion. Now I'm just pro life in all its forms.....

I don't think you're alone. I think many if not most take this position. A friend of mine votes republican because he feels they are not anti guns.

I also think if you are looking for moral people in politics then you will be looking forever.

I also don't feel the people are immoral just because they choose to have an abortion. I don't think it make someone anti-life just because they chose to have an abortion. They may be irresponsible, or ignorant, or uneducated, but should there be laws in this world that force someone to carry out a pregnancy?

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The America I grew up in is nearly gone. I am horrified for my what my son may have to grow up in. I am embarrassed for not doing more to prevent it.

...and you feel this is because of the democrats or Obama? You don't think that G. W. Bush has anything to do with what we are facing today. It's probably not even Bush, but Chaney. I'm horrified too, that Bush was elected twice, albeit they probably cheated the second time around.

There has been a lot in the news about the republicans trying to change the voting hours in districts that would most likely vote for Obama. These are districts where people can't leave work in time, or may get in trouble for leaving work, or may need to vote on the weekend. Is this a fact or is it a fabrication? I don't know, I'm asking, but if its true, you certainly have to wonder what kind of people they are.

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I don't think you're alone. I think many if not most take this position. A friend of mine votes republican because he feels they are not anti guns.

I also think if you are looking for moral people in politics then you will be looking forever.

I also don't feel the people are immoral just because they choose to have an abortion. I don't think it make someone anti-life just because they chose to have an abortion. They may be irresponsible, or ignorant, or uneducated, but should there be laws in this world that force someone to carry out a pregnancy?


I wonder about the opposite. Should there be laws that allow people, uneducated, ignorant, irresponsible or otherwise, that allow them to kill an unborn baby? Which side values human life more? If someone kills a pregnant mother, they are charged with a double homicide. How is that different than an abortion?

I'm just saying, if you are against murder, war or execution, abortion cannot be absent from that list.

I'm not a hater of those that believe opposite of me, I just believe strongly and I vote as best I can that way.

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I wonder about the opposite. Should there be laws that allow people, uneducated, ignorant, irresponsible or otherwise, that allow them to kill an unborn baby? Which side values human life more? If someone kills a pregnant mother, they are charged with a double homicide. How is that different than an abortion?

I'm just saying, if you are against murder, war or execution, abortion cannot be absent from that list.

I'm not a hater of those that believe opposite of me, I just believe strongly and I vote as best I can that way.

I respect everyone's views on various issues, an there are a multitude of views and a multitude of issues, so I've never really understood single issue voters. When our nation, and even the world is facing economic crisis, the only issue that governs your vote is the moral issue of right to life? Would you vote for someone who shares your views on that subject, but has no clue how to lead the nation to recovery, and national security, and the environment, and international relations, and... and...?

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I wonder about the opposite. Should there be laws that allow people, uneducated, ignorant, irresponsible or otherwise, that allow them to kill an unborn baby? Which side values human life more? If someone kills a pregnant mother, they are charged with a double homicide. How is that different than an abortion?

I'm just saying, if you are against murder, war or execution, abortion cannot be absent from that list.

I'm not a hater of those that believe opposite of me, I just believe strongly and I vote as best I can that way.


Laws don't allow actions, they prohibit them. In that mythical state of nature, no actions are prohibited.

Few people have a coherent and consistent set of views. Those that say they are against government intervention are often in favor of giving the state the power to execute people. Those against capital punishment are often in favor of abortion rights, and vice versa. The list goes on and on....

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Is the Presidential election just a distraction? I wonder this. I am asking the question. A distraction from the House/Senate seats, is my point.

In Texas there are 12.7M registered voters. There are 17.7M people of voting age, for a 72% registration rate.

In 2008, 8 million people voted for a President, or approximately 45% of the eligible population.

Likewise, with the two senate seat votes we see only 2.8M votes, or 15% of the eligible population.

For House seats, I am sure it is much less but did not take the time to compile figures (feel free).

The President is a powerful person, no doubt. But Congress matters much more. Yet few vote for their Congressman it seems. And when you a President that is of the minority parity, you have 4 years of excuses and filibustering with very little real accomplishments. Especially now with the supermajority rule.

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I don't know a thing about the US governing system, though it would seem, from an outsider's perspective, that the congress is not as powerful as it once was. I have just been youtubing and what not and saw a feisty O'Reilly interview with Donahue... Phil being on the side of those who tried to impeach Bush for going to war without a declaration from Congress... It seems the precedent for a much more powerful President has been set....

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I respect everyone's views on various issues, an there are a multitude of views and a multitude of issues, so I've never really understood single issue voters. When our nation, and even the world is facing economic crisis, the only issue that governs your vote is the moral issue of right to life? Would you vote for someone who shares your views on that subject, but has no clue how to lead the nation to recovery, and national security, and the environment, and international relations, and... and...?

I'm not a single issue voter. But I start there. I guess you could say its my filter. From my view point, he could be wonderful on the economic issues but if he doesn't value life, then I need to move on. How can I trust him on other less important issues. On the other hand, if he values life but is clueless on the other issues, I need to move on. But if I get both, then that's my vote.

Of course I'm never gonna get 100% satisfaction on this. I recognize that. Therefore I vote for the lessor of two evils and try to error on the side of life. For instance, I voted for Bush, not because I thought he was so smart but because I knew the other choice was very much against my viewpoint on this. Bush was no right wing pro lifer at least in the campaign, to be fair but at least he didn't come right out and say he was pro abortion. State sponsored execution yes.....a black mark to be sure, but in the end, his decision to at least say he would champion the rights of the defenseless unborn won the day. Was I 100% satisfied, nope. But it was the choice I had.

Same situation this time around.

On another note, I think one of the reasons we face such incredible economic issues worldwide is that we as a global society have abandon basic morality in the pursuit of the almighty dollar and personal convenience. Greed and corruption drive our leaders to do things with only their best interest at heart and ignore the legitimate needs of the population. I'm not sure about other nations but our nation was founded on the idea that public servants were just that, servants of the people. We now live in a nation that as John Kennedy so famously stated asks "what can you do to serve your country". I know the speech was a patriotic speech but today, we live in an era where the politicians expect the population they supposedly serve to bow down to their inflated egos. I for one have had enough.

I just read a book about George Washington. How he knew we would face the problems we have today I have no idea but his writings and speeches were full of warnings about politicians that seek only to serve themselves, massive debt incurred in the buying of votes and political favors, etc....the list goes on and on......incredible.

I'm no Bible thumper but the good book has two basic principals that if people even tried to live them, most of the worlds ills would go away.

1. Love you neighbor as yourself.
2. Do unto others as you would them do to you.

I doubt anyone could argue convincingly against those principles.

For these and other reasons, I have basically abandoned hope in the idea that men driven by principal instead of greed and corruption will arise to lead us. I just don't the kind of principled statesmanship I read about our leaders of yesteryear. There are no thought out arguments for or against an idea, only sound bites designed to destroy an oppositions character. There are no honest debates. Only shouting matches. The public for whatever reason has no clue about how to vet an idea or a position. No one seems to want to what is actually good for country but instead, they seem to just want to grab more and more power at our expense.

I am not hopeful we will see any real solutions to our present difficulties in my lifetime.

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Laws don't allow actions, they prohibit them. In that mythical state of nature, no actions are prohibited.

Few people have a coherent and consistent set of views. Those that say they are against government intervention are often in favor of giving the state the power to execute people. Those against capital punishment are often in favor of abortion rights, and vice versa. The list goes on and on....

You are correct. As President Obama famously lamented, "the constitution is a charter of negative liberty". Meaning the things he wanted to do to us as an exercise of federal power were prohibited by law. And secondly, if its not expressly prohibited, its allowed.

This state of affairs demand that people behave responsibly and with dignity and grace toward their fellow humans. As a few of our founding fathers wrote, "only a moral and religious people can remain free." Another similar quote from whom I cannot remember right now says, "only a moral and religious people can govern themselves".

Principled people are rare these days. I am not hopeful.

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Sadly you are correct. And the great ones almost always seem to fall due to structural weakness brought about by the powerful obtaining even more and more powerful until you have Caligula butchering people in the Forum for entertainment while the enemy marches ever closer.

We are distracted by the entertainment value of the charade we call society and the underpinnings of our world are slowly eroded by those whose agendas do not include our best interests.

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Sadly you are correct. And the great ones almost always seem to fall due to structural weakness brought about by the powerful obtaining even more and more powerful until you have Caligula butchering people in the Forum for entertainment while the enemy marches ever closer.

We are distracted by the entertainment value of the charade we call society and the underpinnings of our world are slowly eroded by those whose agendas do not include our best interests.

The Roman Empire comes to mind. They lasted 500 years. The US is not quite 250. So maybe there is still some fight left in us

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I don't want to offend Bush lovers, but ummmm.... On the other hand, if he values life but is clueless on the other issues, I need to move on. .. . if he values life but is clueless on the other issues .. .. sounds a bit like George no? Certainly clueless on how the constitution supposed to work, or maybe not, maybe he just doesn't believe it was written correctly.

Panda, your vote helped to bankrupt the greatest nation power in the world. How much did the war in Iraq cost, and still costing? How much did the largest social wealth transfer in human history cost, the banker's bailout, drafted by Paulson, caused by Bush's regulatory rollbacks, and while he was on his spending spree cut back taxes on his elite cronies... I mean, we have to look at the big picture. Let's face it. All politicians are lie and say whatever they can to get votes. How can someone who is pro execution be pro life. It doesn't add up.

I understand your religious belief about life and conception. My own personal belief is that while an embryo is still an unconscious mass of cells in the mother's body, the first couple of months, then it is still part of the mother's body. I also believe that euthanasia should be a choice for the sick and dying who want to die with dignity. But we may never agree on those issues. I think choosing Bush, for your reasons, was a mistake however. There is a certain interconnectedness of all things, and I think in the end a vote for Bush may have been going the other way on the Pro Life ticket and definitely the wrong way on the pro economy ticket... Just my opinion....

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How many people think Bill Gates would make a better President than Obama, Romney, Bush, or Clinton?

Now with Citizen's United, he could buy the election quite easily.

Part of me wishes we would finally see an independent run and win in this country. Part of me wishes it would be someone completely divorced from politics. Bill Gates tries to help a lot of people with his foundation, almost all of which are outside the US. He could help a lot of people here by not be corruptible and acting as a good leader.

I threw out Bill Gates just because it was easy. Any number of rich people could buy the election. Obviously, some already are (Koch brothers). But the real trouble is, most rich people are already corrupted by the whole process. Maybe we need some more 'rogue' people. I would say Mark Cuban for example, but I think he would be terrible.

So yeah, given the choice of voting for Bill Gates, Obama or Romney, I would vote for Gates

I am hopeful that Hillary Clinton will run in 2016, maybe she would be a good choice as well.

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Anyways, I think I said this before, you should be running for office... Here's to the Panda Party taking over!

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I don't want to offend Bush lovers, but ummmm.... On the other hand, if he values life but is clueless on the other issues, I need to move on. .. . if he values life but is clueless on the other issues .. .. sounds a bit like George no? Certainly clueless on how the constitution supposed to work, or maybe not, maybe he just doesn't believe it was written correctly.

Panda, your vote helped to bankrupt the greatest nation power in the world. How much did the war in Iraq cost, and still costing? How much did the largest social wealth transfer in human history cost, the banker's bailout, drafted by Paulson, caused by Bush's regulatory rollbacks, and while he was on his spending spree cut back taxes on his elite cronies... I mean, we have to look at the big picture. Let's face it. All politicians are lie and say whatever they can to get votes. How can someone who is pro execution be pro life. It doesn't add up.

I understand your religious belief about life and conception. My own personal belief is that while an embryo is still an unconscious mass of cells in the mother's body, the first couple of months, then it is still part of the mother's body. I also believe that euthanasia should be a choice for the sick and dying who want to die with dignity. But we may never agree on those issues. I think choosing Bush, for your reasons, was a mistake however. There is a certain interconnectedness of all things, and I think in the end a vote for Bush may have been going the other way on the Pro Life ticket and definitely the wrong way on the pro economy ticket... Just my opinion....

When I voted for Bush, I was still a bit of a nuke em til they glow kinda guy. The war changed that. So yes in a way, it was a misplaced vote. Remember though, when that vote was cast, there was no war. My views on execution evolved during that same time although I still wrestle with the idea that if my kid was raped and murdered would I still hold on to that view and elect to fry the guy that did it.

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Anyways, I think I said this before, you should be running for office... Here's to the Panda Party taking over!

Oh God no.....

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ya, I personally don't have a problem executing extremely violent offenders, however, what happens when someone who maybe shouldn't really deserve to die, if the truth be known, but get's handed down a mean sentence by an aggressive judge, or worse yet, someone is setup by the justice system and convicted of a crime they didn't commit. Shouldn't there be a law in place to protect them?

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As interesting as this topic is, I am getting tired and have to run to the store to take care of things that actually have an impact on my immediate future....namely having some milk tomorrow for breakfast....

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Peace man... buy Organic!

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As interesting as this topic is, I am getting tired and have to run to the store to take care of things that actually have an impact on my immediate future....namely having some milk tomorrow for breakfast....

Later guys....

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I'm not a single issue voter. But I start there. I guess you could say its my filter.
I just read a book about George Washington. How he knew we would face the problems we have today I have no idea but his writings and speeches were full of warnings about politicians that seek only to serve themselves, massive debt incurred in the buying of votes and political favors, etc....the list goes on and on......incredible.

I'm no Bible thumper but the good book has two basic principals that if people even tried to live them, most of the worlds ills would go away.

1. Love you neighbor as yourself.
2. Do unto others as you would them do to you.

I doubt anyone could argue convincingly against those principles.

Eisenhower in his farewell address warned of the military-industrial complex, but in his speech as it was originally written, it was the military-industrial-Congressional complex.

Those 2 Bible lines are sentiments in the New Testament I believe (not much of a Bible reader - though I do find it interesting that the only people the Bible says Jesus was actually physically violent against were the money-changers. You can't be very far up the redemption ladder if the "Prince of Peace" is swinging a stick at you. )

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Eisenhower in his farewell address warned of the military-industrial complex, but in his speech as it was originally written, it was the military-industrial-Congressional complex.

Those 2 Bible lines are sentiments in the New Testament I believe (not much of a Bible reader - though I do find it interesting that the only people the Bible says Jesus was actually physically violent against were the money-changers. You can't be very far up the redemption ladder if the "Prince of Peace" is swinging a stick at you. )

They were in fact exchanging real money for fiat money. Fascinating......

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Almond Milk is great, stores in pantry for months at a time, is healthy, and you can buy in 8-packs at Costco.

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Been meaning to try it but we don't store for months at a time. 3-5 gallons a week.

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"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization"
- Gaius Petronius Arbiter 210 BC (Disputed Attribution)

I would think this fits more to life (and trading) than just to our petty politics. Can I get an amen or is someone gonna jump on my throat again with some nonsensical Dunning Kruger BS again?

 
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All money is fiat money, you can apply value to seashells or marbles or whatever you want, it's all perception...


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I quit milk, and eggs too... feel way healthier...


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is wrong. What Ryan says there is exactly right.

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I was disappointed in the choice of music in both the Republican and Democratic conventions especially at their ending notes. Gone are the patriot themes WWII traditional band pieces and presidential marches and choir hymns.
Now all we get are the screwed up awful soul styled flourishes of the National Anthem and pop music mostly post hippie rebel themes. Now they only play it completely traditional at funerals for fallen soldiers and heros. Transparent attempt to pander to racial demographics and immigrants trying to placate through choice of popular music. I'm sure many on futures.io (formerly BMT) are aware of other issues than just the economic ones. It's just the biggest issue.

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I see no one liked my Bill Gates idea.

I'd also vote for Stephen Colbert. But he isn't rich enough to win, his super pac failed pretty miserably.

We just need an above average intelligence guy who hasn't been a politician and isn't corrupted. That would be a nice start. And of course he would need to have a house majority, so that Congress doesn't roadblock every single thing he tries to do.

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Probably too old now. But wouldn't mind if Jimmy Carter was another choice besides Obama and Romney.
Bill Gates... just didn't like how he was so ruthless in driving MSFT to take over and "assimilate" like a Borg; but maybe good idea if he had the whole country in mind as President and doesn't pick winners and losers like Obama tried to do with GM and Sylendra.

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We just need an above average intelligence guy who hasn't been a politician and isn't corrupted. That would be a nice start. And of course he would need to have a house majority, so that Congress doesn't roadblock every single thing he tries to do.

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I'll just give up now

Independent = everyone in Congress would vote against him, both parties, he would never get anything accomplished

If I recall correctly, no independent has ever been elected as President, except for George Washington.

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All millionaires will benefit from the tax cuts. Including Obama, Biden, Soros, Not just republicans donors as this article will lead you to believe.

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All millionaires will benefit from the tax cuts. Including Obama, Biden, Soros, Not just republicans donors as this article will lead you to believe.

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The article just pointed out one big example from a billionaire who is donating huge amounts of money to Romney as an investment in the returns he will receive should he win. I don't think the article said anything about only rich Republicans benefiting.

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