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Laws don't allow actions, they prohibit them. In that mythical state of nature, no actions are prohibited.

Few people have a coherent and consistent set of views. Those that say they are against government intervention are often in favor of giving the state the power to execute people. Those against capital punishment are often in favor of abortion rights, and vice versa. The list goes on and on....

You are correct. As President Obama famously lamented, "the constitution is a charter of negative liberty". Meaning the things he wanted to do to us as an exercise of federal power were prohibited by law. And secondly, if its not expressly prohibited, its allowed.

This state of affairs demand that people behave responsibly and with dignity and grace toward their fellow humans. As a few of our founding fathers wrote, "only a moral and religious people can remain free." Another similar quote from whom I cannot remember right now says, "only a moral and religious people can govern themselves".

Principled people are rare these days. I am not hopeful.

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History teaches us, all great Empire's eventually fall. It's just a matter of when

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BTW, I am still planning on leaving in the next couple of years

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History teaches us, all great Empire's eventually fall. It's just a matter of when

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Sadly you are correct. And the great ones almost always seem to fall due to structural weakness brought about by the powerful obtaining even more and more powerful until you have Caligula butchering people in the Forum for entertainment while the enemy marches ever closer.

We are distracted by the entertainment value of the charade we call society and the underpinnings of our world are slowly eroded by those whose agendas do not include our best interests.

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BTW, I am still planning on leaving in the next couple of years

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I think about it all the time. Unfortunately, our government has made it almost impossible to divorce entirely.

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Sadly you are correct. And the great ones almost always seem to fall due to structural weakness brought about by the powerful obtaining even more and more powerful until you have Caligula butchering people in the Forum for entertainment while the enemy marches ever closer.

We are distracted by the entertainment value of the charade we call society and the underpinnings of our world are slowly eroded by those whose agendas do not include our best interests.

The Roman Empire comes to mind. They lasted 500 years. The US is not quite 250. So maybe there is still some fight left in us

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I don't want to offend Bush lovers, but ummmm.... On the other hand, if he values life but is clueless on the other issues, I need to move on. .. . if he values life but is clueless on the other issues .. .. sounds a bit like George no? Certainly clueless on how the constitution supposed to work, or maybe not, maybe he just doesn't believe it was written correctly.

Panda, your vote helped to bankrupt the greatest nation power in the world. How much did the war in Iraq cost, and still costing? How much did the largest social wealth transfer in human history cost, the banker's bailout, drafted by Paulson, caused by Bush's regulatory rollbacks, and while he was on his spending spree cut back taxes on his elite cronies... I mean, we have to look at the big picture. Let's face it. All politicians are lie and say whatever they can to get votes. How can someone who is pro execution be pro life. It doesn't add up.

I understand your religious belief about life and conception. My own personal belief is that while an embryo is still an unconscious mass of cells in the mother's body, the first couple of months, then it is still part of the mother's body. I also believe that euthanasia should be a choice for the sick and dying who want to die with dignity. But we may never agree on those issues. I think choosing Bush, for your reasons, was a mistake however. There is a certain interconnectedness of all things, and I think in the end a vote for Bush may have been going the other way on the Pro Life ticket and definitely the wrong way on the pro economy ticket... Just my opinion....

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How many people think Bill Gates would make a better President than Obama, Romney, Bush, or Clinton?

Now with Citizen's United, he could buy the election quite easily.

Part of me wishes we would finally see an independent run and win in this country. Part of me wishes it would be someone completely divorced from politics. Bill Gates tries to help a lot of people with his foundation, almost all of which are outside the US. He could help a lot of people here by not be corruptible and acting as a good leader.

I threw out Bill Gates just because it was easy. Any number of rich people could buy the election. Obviously, some already are (Koch brothers). But the real trouble is, most rich people are already corrupted by the whole process. Maybe we need some more 'rogue' people. I would say Mark Cuban for example, but I think he would be terrible.

So yeah, given the choice of voting for Bill Gates, Obama or Romney, I would vote for Gates

I am hopeful that Hillary Clinton will run in 2016, maybe she would be a good choice as well.

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Anyways, I think I said this before, you should be running for office... Here's to the Panda Party taking over!

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I don't want to offend Bush lovers, but ummmm.... On the other hand, if he values life but is clueless on the other issues, I need to move on. .. . if he values life but is clueless on the other issues .. .. sounds a bit like George no? Certainly clueless on how the constitution supposed to work, or maybe not, maybe he just doesn't believe it was written correctly.

Panda, your vote helped to bankrupt the greatest nation power in the world. How much did the war in Iraq cost, and still costing? How much did the largest social wealth transfer in human history cost, the banker's bailout, drafted by Paulson, caused by Bush's regulatory rollbacks, and while he was on his spending spree cut back taxes on his elite cronies... I mean, we have to look at the big picture. Let's face it. All politicians are lie and say whatever they can to get votes. How can someone who is pro execution be pro life. It doesn't add up.

I understand your religious belief about life and conception. My own personal belief is that while an embryo is still an unconscious mass of cells in the mother's body, the first couple of months, then it is still part of the mother's body. I also believe that euthanasia should be a choice for the sick and dying who want to die with dignity. But we may never agree on those issues. I think choosing Bush, for your reasons, was a mistake however. There is a certain interconnectedness of all things, and I think in the end a vote for Bush may have been going the other way on the Pro Life ticket and definitely the wrong way on the pro economy ticket... Just my opinion....

When I voted for Bush, I was still a bit of a nuke em til they glow kinda guy. The war changed that. So yes in a way, it was a misplaced vote. Remember though, when that vote was cast, there was no war. My views on execution evolved during that same time although I still wrestle with the idea that if my kid was raped and murdered would I still hold on to that view and elect to fry the guy that did it.

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Anyways, I think I said this before, you should be running for office... Here's to the Panda Party taking over!

Oh God no.....

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