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This is how I would sum up the 2012 Elections

and many before this one...Ed Griffin on the Left / Right Paradigm - Ed Griffin on the Left / Right Paradigm (Recommended) - YouTube

 
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Jon Stewart on Clinton and the 2012 DNC vs RNC math. Pretty funny.

Jon Stewart Praises Bill Clinton's 'Amazing' DNC Math (VIDEO)

 
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Jon Stewart on Clinton and the 2012 DNC vs RNC math. Pretty funny.

Jon Stewart Praises Bill Clinton's 'Amazing' DNC Math (VIDEO)

I prefer Colbert

DNC Highlights | The 2012 People's Party Congress of Charlotte - Bill Clinton & Hill Poll | ColbertNation.com | Comedy Central

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I don't think you're alone. I think many if not most take this position. A friend of mine votes republican because he feels they are not anti guns.

I also think if you are looking for moral people in politics then you will be looking forever.

I also don't feel the people are immoral just because they choose to have an abortion. I don't think it make someone anti-life just because they chose to have an abortion. They may be irresponsible, or ignorant, or uneducated, but should there be laws in this world that force someone to carry out a pregnancy?


I wonder about the opposite. Should there be laws that allow people, uneducated, ignorant, irresponsible or otherwise, that allow them to kill an unborn baby? Which side values human life more? If someone kills a pregnant mother, they are charged with a double homicide. How is that different than an abortion?

I'm just saying, if you are against murder, war or execution, abortion cannot be absent from that list.

I'm not a hater of those that believe opposite of me, I just believe strongly and I vote as best I can that way.

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I wonder about the opposite. Should there be laws that allow people, uneducated, ignorant, irresponsible or otherwise, that allow them to kill an unborn baby? Which side values human life more? If someone kills a pregnant mother, they are charged with a double homicide. How is that different than an abortion?

I'm just saying, if you are against murder, war or execution, abortion cannot be absent from that list.

I'm not a hater of those that believe opposite of me, I just believe strongly and I vote as best I can that way.

I respect everyone's views on various issues, an there are a multitude of views and a multitude of issues, so I've never really understood single issue voters. When our nation, and even the world is facing economic crisis, the only issue that governs your vote is the moral issue of right to life? Would you vote for someone who shares your views on that subject, but has no clue how to lead the nation to recovery, and national security, and the environment, and international relations, and... and...?

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I wonder about the opposite. Should there be laws that allow people, uneducated, ignorant, irresponsible or otherwise, that allow them to kill an unborn baby? Which side values human life more? If someone kills a pregnant mother, they are charged with a double homicide. How is that different than an abortion?

I'm just saying, if you are against murder, war or execution, abortion cannot be absent from that list.

I'm not a hater of those that believe opposite of me, I just believe strongly and I vote as best I can that way.


Laws don't allow actions, they prohibit them. In that mythical state of nature, no actions are prohibited.

Few people have a coherent and consistent set of views. Those that say they are against government intervention are often in favor of giving the state the power to execute people. Those against capital punishment are often in favor of abortion rights, and vice versa. The list goes on and on....

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Is the Presidential election just a distraction? I wonder this. I am asking the question. A distraction from the House/Senate seats, is my point.

In Texas there are 12.7M registered voters. There are 17.7M people of voting age, for a 72% registration rate.

In 2008, 8 million people voted for a President, or approximately 45% of the eligible population.

Likewise, with the two senate seat votes we see only 2.8M votes, or 15% of the eligible population.

For House seats, I am sure it is much less but did not take the time to compile figures (feel free).

The President is a powerful person, no doubt. But Congress matters much more. Yet few vote for their Congressman it seems. And when you a President that is of the minority parity, you have 4 years of excuses and filibustering with very little real accomplishments. Especially now with the supermajority rule.

Do you vote straight party line all the way down the ticket?

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I don't know a thing about the US governing system, though it would seem, from an outsider's perspective, that the congress is not as powerful as it once was. I have just been youtubing and what not and saw a feisty O'Reilly interview with Donahue... Phil being on the side of those who tried to impeach Bush for going to war without a declaration from Congress... It seems the precedent for a much more powerful President has been set....

 
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I respect everyone's views on various issues, an there are a multitude of views and a multitude of issues, so I've never really understood single issue voters. When our nation, and even the world is facing economic crisis, the only issue that governs your vote is the moral issue of right to life? Would you vote for someone who shares your views on that subject, but has no clue how to lead the nation to recovery, and national security, and the environment, and international relations, and... and...?

I'm not a single issue voter. But I start there. I guess you could say its my filter. From my view point, he could be wonderful on the economic issues but if he doesn't value life, then I need to move on. How can I trust him on other less important issues. On the other hand, if he values life but is clueless on the other issues, I need to move on. But if I get both, then that's my vote.

Of course I'm never gonna get 100% satisfaction on this. I recognize that. Therefore I vote for the lessor of two evils and try to error on the side of life. For instance, I voted for Bush, not because I thought he was so smart but because I knew the other choice was very much against my viewpoint on this. Bush was no right wing pro lifer at least in the campaign, to be fair but at least he didn't come right out and say he was pro abortion. State sponsored execution yes.....a black mark to be sure, but in the end, his decision to at least say he would champion the rights of the defenseless unborn won the day. Was I 100% satisfied, nope. But it was the choice I had.

Same situation this time around.

On another note, I think one of the reasons we face such incredible economic issues worldwide is that we as a global society have abandon basic morality in the pursuit of the almighty dollar and personal convenience. Greed and corruption drive our leaders to do things with only their best interest at heart and ignore the legitimate needs of the population. I'm not sure about other nations but our nation was founded on the idea that public servants were just that, servants of the people. We now live in a nation that as John Kennedy so famously stated asks "what can you do to serve your country". I know the speech was a patriotic speech but today, we live in an era where the politicians expect the population they supposedly serve to bow down to their inflated egos. I for one have had enough.

I just read a book about George Washington. How he knew we would face the problems we have today I have no idea but his writings and speeches were full of warnings about politicians that seek only to serve themselves, massive debt incurred in the buying of votes and political favors, etc....the list goes on and on......incredible.

I'm no Bible thumper but the good book has two basic principals that if people even tried to live them, most of the worlds ills would go away.

1. Love you neighbor as yourself.
2. Do unto others as you would them do to you.

I doubt anyone could argue convincingly against those principles.

For these and other reasons, I have basically abandoned hope in the idea that men driven by principal instead of greed and corruption will arise to lead us. I just don't the kind of principled statesmanship I read about our leaders of yesteryear. There are no thought out arguments for or against an idea, only sound bites designed to destroy an oppositions character. There are no honest debates. Only shouting matches. The public for whatever reason has no clue about how to vet an idea or a position. No one seems to want to what is actually good for country but instead, they seem to just want to grab more and more power at our expense.

I am not hopeful we will see any real solutions to our present difficulties in my lifetime.

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I am not hopeful we will see any real solutions to our present difficulties in my lifetime.

History teaches us, all great Empire's eventually fall. It's just a matter of when

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