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Romney 50%, Obama 46% Among Likely Voters

Obama down sharply among men, college grads, and Southern voters vs. 2008


Romney 50%, Obama 46% Among Likely Voters

 
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I'm with you on Libertarian ideals, though I don't see why you automatically put them in the Republican side of the equation. After all, Thomas Jefferson was a liberal, one of the greatest. To say that Romney is going to make government smaller is laughable. This is a man who believes corporations are people. And if you were unsure about this fact, corporations are the new government. They didn't have those in the days of our libertarian heroes. Saying Romney is more libertarian than Obama is nonsense. He's just going to feed his corporations and put more emphasis into the areas of government they want. If you believe you have libertarian ideals, the choice is clear, if you are honest with yourself, you vote for Gary Johnson.


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as much as I would have loved to see Ron Paul as the nominee, the idea of him beating Obama is not realistic. Until the resent debate, so was the idea of Romney doing it so I guess that is neither here nor there. BUT, the idea of a Johnson candidacy being taken seriously is simply over the top. I'd view myself as equally Libertarian and Republican although the republican half is harder to admit these days.

Shouldn't any sane Libertarian vote for anyone but Obama, or is it such to the Libertarian purist that Romney is just as bad only a different bad? My Paleo-Conservative underpinnings (the source of my Libertarianism) just demand that anyone but O, even if they are not perfect.

No doubt a third party Libertarian takes from Romney and helps Obama. Isn't four more years of that, way worse from a typical Libertarian perspective or do I not get it?

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I'm in Illinois so my vote either way is just an exercise. I'd never vote for a guy in the general election that would be stripping votes from the lesser of two evils..lol I do not necessarily agree with you but to go your way...Romney's stated policy interests are way way more in line with what will benefit me personally. During the primary I choose to be disaffected and unrepresented. In the general I will vote for anyone against Obama.

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Obama and Romney agree to cowardly debates

US President Barack Obama and challenger Mitt Romney will face off for the second of three debates on Tuesday, but viewers awaiting the show-down shouldn't expect anything out of the ordinary: both candidates are contractually obliged to be boring.

Tuesday's debate between the two rivals has been advertised as a town hall meeting with members of the audience asking the contenders hard questions on behalf of the average American. In reality, however, not those in attendance nor even the debate’s moderator will be allowed to press the two presidential candidates on the issues of real importance. Everything from how to handle an unplanned remark from the audience to how each candidate will sit — precisely, to even the exact arrangement of their chairs and water glasses — has already been outlined in a document just unearthed by the press.

According to the 21-page agreement signed by both the Obama and Romney campaigns, no member of the audience will be allowed to ask follow-up questions to the candidates during Tuesday’s event. Microphones will be cut off right after questions are asked, and any opportunities for follow-up questions from the crowd will be disregarded and the audience silenced. What's more is even moderator Candy Crowley has been stripped of her right to press the candidates on the questions, effectively diminishing her role to a mere microphone stand as she attempts to guide an audience adamant but unlikely to get answers about the true intentions of the two men battling for the White House.

Both incumbent President Obama and his Republican Party rival had legal representatives for their respective campaigns sign-off on a 21-page agreement that outlines rules of protocol and performance for all three televised debates that will air before next month’s election. Attorneys standing-in for both the current commander-in-chief and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney signed the document, considered a “Memorandum of Understanding,” only moments before the first of three debates occurred on October 3, and on Monday, a reporter with Time magazine leaked the contract to the Web.
The contract, a binding agreement between the Obama for America and the Romney for President campaigns, outlines to a tee not only exactly how the two candidates are legally required to conduct themselves during the debate, but also outlines what is expected of the moderators during the three arguments.

"The candidates may not ask each other direct questions during any of the four debates,” one provision reads, with another insisting, "The candidates shall not address each other with proposed pledges.”
Elsewhere, the campaigns agreed that “At no time” would either candidate “move from his designated area behind the respective podium” during the October 3 debate.

For Tuesday’s event, a town-hall style show-down, it has already been established that following questions lobbed by a handful of pre-selected persons in attendance, "the moderator will not ask follow-up questions or comment on either the questions asked by the audience or the answers of the candidates during the debate.” And although the questions introduced by the crowd are pre-screened by the event’s host, the campaigns have authorized the Commission on Presidential Debates to “take appropriate steps to cut-off the microphone of any…audience member who attempts to pose any question or statement different than that previously posed to the moderator for review."

The document also includes detailed descriptions of seating arrangements, where each candidate’s entourage will be allowed near the stage and, yes, it does confirm that both the president and his opponent will be allowed to use pen and paper of their own liking.

In other words, while things could heat up before Election Day, don’t think that Pres. Obama and Gov. Romney have attempted to find a way to make things less interesting. Neither the presidential candidates nor the men campaigning as their running mates are allowed to ask direct questions to their opponents during any of the debates, and even those members of the audience selected to participate are forbid from following up with any “extended discussion,” which both the president and his Republican Party rival are barred from encouraging.

The Memorandum of Understanding, although informative to a degree, simply only establishes what was already assumed: both Pres. Obama and Gov. Romney’s campaigns are taking every action imaginable to ensure that any roadblocks are less likely to occur during the debates. And for those hoping for a glimpse into what to expect during this week’s performance, here’s a quick spoiler: both chairs utilized by the candidates on Tuesday have had their backs and footrests pre-approved by the campaign. Exciting, huh?

Obama and Romney agree to cowardly debates — RT

 
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Awesome debate, wish I could vote for Obama!

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Awesome debate, wish I could vote for Obama!

I thought you said you were of a libertarian mind set....make up your mind

 
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I know, I hear ya, in this case however, it would seem, the differences between what government will do under each candidate is fairly marginal. At the margin, however, I do prefer Obama's character. He seems more honest, energetic, and passionate. As the case may be, only the parties endorsed by banks and oil companies are allowed to present at the debate, so that leaves the libertarians out of it. Given a strict choice between Obama or Romney, it's Obama, no brainer for me.

Romney's private sector history of gutting American companies and sending them to China makes him the wrong person for what we are going to be faced with in the coming years. He doesn't really doesn't care about the average person, wrong person to be leader in my opinion. He doesn't get it.

Does it really matter though? I'd have to say I would never vote for a leader who wears magic underwear, period. Maybe I'm just biased about that, haha...



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I thought you said you were of a libertarian mind set....make up your mind


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RT presents third-party presidential debate


When the dust settles after next week’s third and final debate between US President Barack Obama and challenger Mitt Romney, Americans will be left to choose between just two men to run the country. Unless, of course, they turn to RT.

In response to widespread blackout from both the mainstream media and political establishment alike, RT is honored to be presenting a platform for the major third-party candidates also vying for the White House this election year to debate. The event will be moderated by multi-award winning broadcast journalist Larry King and will be broadcast live from Chicago, Illinois on October 23. RT America and RT.com will offer the event live in cooperation with the debate’s organizers, the Free and Equal Elections Foundation.

Thom Hartmann, the star of RT’s The Big Picture and noted radio host, is one of a few select journalists hand-picked to hit the candidates with questions about their campaign.

Despite having their platforms largely silenced by the elites of a two-party political system, Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson, Green Party candidate Jill Stein, Constitution Party candidate Virgil Goode and Justice Party candidate Rocky Anderson plan to continue their campaign through Election Day. Since their thoughts on issues critical to voters has been muted by the mainstream media, however, their arguments for how they envision America under their own leadership has been left in the dark.

“The previous debates between President Obama and Governor Romney have failed to address the issues that really concern everyday Americans. From foreign policy, to the economy, to taboo subjects like our diminishing civil liberties and the drug war, Americans deserve a real debate, real solutions and real electoral options,” Free & Equal Founder Christina Tobin tells the press.

Larry King, who retired from his role as CNN commentator just last year, says in a press release for the event that being given the opportunity to test the wits of the third-party candidates is “a truly exciting opportunity.”

“I have interviewed every US President since Nixon, and lest people forget, I helped usher Ross Perot into the national conversation during the 1992 presidential contest. I appreciate the importance of providing a platform to those with real alternative visions for our country’s future,” King says.

RT America will begin its pre-debate coverage at 8:00 P.M. Eastern on October 23 with a panel of journalists and commentators including our own Thom Hartmann weighing in on this year’s election. Arguments from the candidates themselves will be underway an hour alter when Mr. King takes overs.

RT presents third-party presidential debate — RT

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