2012 Election - Off-Topic | futures io social day trading
futures io futures trading


2012 Election
Updated: Views / Replies:34,835 / 664
Created: by Big Mike Attachments:27

Welcome to futures io.

(If you already have an account, login at the top of the page)

futures io is the largest futures trading community on the planet, with over 90,000 members. At futures io, our goal has always been and always will be to create a friendly, positive, forward-thinking community where members can openly share and discuss everything the world of trading has to offer. The community is one of the friendliest you will find on any subject, with members going out of their way to help others. Some of the primary differences between futures io and other trading sites revolve around the standards of our community. Those standards include a code of conduct for our members, as well as extremely high standards that govern which partners we do business with, and which products or services we recommend to our members.

At futures io, our focus is on quality education. No hype, gimmicks, or secret sauce. The truth is: trading is hard. To succeed, you need to surround yourself with the right support system, educational content, and trading mentors Ė all of which you can find on futures io, utilizing our social trading environment.

With futures io, you can find honest trading reviews on brokers, trading rooms, indicator packages, trading strategies, and much more. Our trading review process is highly moderated to ensure that only genuine users are allowed, so you donít need to worry about fake reviews.

We are fundamentally different than most other trading sites:
  • We are here to help. Just let us know what you need.
  • We work extremely hard to keep things positive in our community.
  • We do not tolerate rude behavior, trolling, or vendors advertising in posts.
  • We firmly believe in and encourage sharing. The holy grail is within you, we can help you find it.
  • We expect our members to participate and become a part of the community. Help yourself by helping others.

You'll need to register in order to view the content of the threads and start contributing to our community.  It's free and simple.

-- Big Mike, Site Administrator

Closed Thread
 27  
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 

2012 Election

  #441 (permalink)
Elite Member
Austin, TX
 
Futures Experience: Master
Platform: ninjatrader, r-trader
Favorite Futures: CL, NG, TF, NQ, YM, GC, ES
 
liquidcci's Avatar
 
Posts: 862 since Jun 2011
Thanks: 609 given, 1,051 received


Gary View Post
@liquidcci,

Would it be fair to say the demand for your service/product(s) has not yet reached a point where you HAVE TO hire? If this thresh-hold was broken, would you still fail to hire additional help, and instead rely on the employees you have today to work more, or what other option would you have?

Is supply/demand what drives hiring, or additional funds on your side from things such as tax breaks, or increased savings, or more certainty on what 'could' come in the future?

Gary


Gary great question. There is alot of risk with hiring new employees so like anything you have to weigh the risk. Kind of like trading you could increase your bottom line but to do so you must take on more risk. I am at point where I would actually like to hire and could but the risks are to great so instead I just double up and do certain things myself etc... Tax Breaks would reduce that risk and give me extra funds to hire, better economy would reduce that risk, less feeling that government is out to bleed the small business owner dry would reduce that risk.

"The day I became a winning trader was the day it became boring. Daily losses no longer bother me and daily wins no longer excited me. Took years of pain and busting a few accounts before finally got my mind right. I survived the darkness within and now just chillax and let my black box do the work."

Last edited by liquidcci; September 28th, 2012 at 01:34 PM.
 
  #442 (permalink)
Elite Member
Austin, TX
 
Futures Experience: Master
Platform: ninjatrader, r-trader
Favorite Futures: CL, NG, TF, NQ, YM, GC, ES
 
liquidcci's Avatar
 
Posts: 862 since Jun 2011
Thanks: 609 given, 1,051 received


Jedi View Post
With that line of reasoning Donald Trump would make another good candidate and Ronald Reagan got lucky.. and the business acumen of the Bushes should have really helped the economy.. Looking out for the mass comes with the job description of the president even if it appears socialistic, you can't blame a president for trying.. that's his job..

Again, history has tried many things and can be referenced.. Let's use some historical references to support the reasoning..

Lets use Greece. They were all about the masses living in the middle class via government redistribution. Now you have burning cars in the streets. Works great.

"The day I became a winning trader was the day it became boring. Daily losses no longer bother me and daily wins no longer excited me. Took years of pain and busting a few accounts before finally got my mind right. I survived the darkness within and now just chillax and let my black box do the work."

Last edited by liquidcci; September 28th, 2012 at 01:33 PM.
The following user says Thank You to liquidcci for this post:
 
  #443 (permalink)
Jedi Master
SF Bay Area
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: Sierra
Broker/Data: Multiple
Favorite Futures: CL, ES
 
Jedi's Avatar
 
Posts: 564 since Nov 2011
Thanks: 546 given, 577 received



liquidcci View Post
Gary great question. There is alot of risk with hiring new employees so like anything you have to weigh the risk. Kind of like trading you could increase your bottom line but to do so you must take on more risk. I am at point where I would actually like to hire and could but the risks are to great so instead I just double up and do certain things myself etc... Tax Breaks would reduce that risk and give me extra funds to hire, better economy would reduce that risk, less feeling that government is out to bleed the small business owner dry would reduce that risk.

The business environment (which is often driven by business cycles) is the high impact items.. tax advantages and having some additional expenses for healthcare is a lower impact item.. not saying it has no impact especially during recessionary times, but lower impact than business landscape and revenue.. There are lots of ways creative ways to increase revenues.. what type of business are you in? Obama's business policies should not impact businesses under 25 employees..

What drives business is demand, not from the wealthy due to their tax saving but from the mass having excess to spend..

From the President's perspective, high priority is the interests of the mass, though not only their immediate need but also investing for the future for the "welfare" (excuse the pun...ha) of the majority and that's what Obama is aiming to do.. We may disagree that he will achieve the desired impact and there are no strong historical references except for Greece which is an extreme example during a recession..

Remember, governments like the US has always operated with a deficit during bad times only to pay it back during good times.. Its how governments operate..

 
  #444 (permalink)
Elite Member
WPB, FL
 
Futures Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NT
Broker/Data: AMP/CQG
Favorite Futures: CL
 
ctbaran's Avatar
 
Posts: 14 since Jul 2010
Thanks: 220 given, 9 received


liquidcci View Post
Lets use Greece. They were all about the masses living in the middle class via government redistribution. Now you have burning cars in the streets.

The left deserves another 4 yrs.
Let them try and dig us out of bankruptcy after maxing out the credit card, mortgaging the house, and spending
like there's no tomorrow. Otherwise no one will learn anything and guess who will get blamed for the next collapse?

The following 2 users say Thank You to ctbaran for this post:
 
  #445 (permalink)
Jedi Master
SF Bay Area
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: Sierra
Broker/Data: Multiple
Favorite Futures: CL, ES
 
Jedi's Avatar
 
Posts: 564 since Nov 2011
Thanks: 546 given, 577 received


liquidcci View Post
Lets use Greece. They were all about the masses living in the middle class via government redistribution. Now you have burning cars in the streets. Works great.

Once you give, its hard to take away and there needs to be a balance.. I think Europe has gone too far with it and the mother has spoiled her child as seen by the recent tantrums and protests..

However, the US is not in that situation.. We don't take 2 month vacations and all that stuff but we do have a broken healthcare system.. The current solution is to continue to use the emergency room.. Should we leave it as it is or at least try something to fix it.. I don't think anyone should point the finger unless they have a better solution than the one proposed..

 
  #446 (permalink)
Elite Member
East Coast
 
Futures Experience: Beginner
Platform: Ninja
Favorite Futures: ES, NQ
 
Posts: 125 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 55 given, 81 received


liquidcci View Post
Lets use Greece. They were all about the masses living in the middle class via government redistribution. Now you have burning cars in the streets. Works great.

Greece entered the EU because Goldman Sachs helped them hide the real amount of debt they were carrying so it looked like they were complying with the Maastricht Treaty.

So you had crooked politicians wanting power, enabled by crooked financing.

BTW - the guy at GS at the time is now head of ECB. Coincidence of course.

 
  #447 (permalink)
Elite Member
Austin, TX
 
Futures Experience: Master
Platform: ninjatrader, r-trader
Favorite Futures: CL, NG, TF, NQ, YM, GC, ES
 
liquidcci's Avatar
 
Posts: 862 since Jun 2011
Thanks: 609 given, 1,051 received


Jedi View Post
The business environment (which is often driven by business cycles) is the high impact items.. tax advantages and having some additional expenses for healthcare is a lower impact item.. not saying it has no impact especially during recessionary times, but lower impact than business landscape and revenue.. There are lots of ways creative ways to increase revenues.. what type of business are you in? Obama's business policies should not impact businesses under 25 employees..

What drives business is demand, not from the wealthy due to their tax saving but from the mass having excess to spend..

From the President's perspective, high priority is the interests of the mass, though not only their immediate need but also investing for the future for the "welfare" (excuse the pun...ha) of the majority and that's what Obama is aiming to do.. We may disagree that he will achieve the desired impact and there are no strong historical references except for Greece which is an extreme example during a recession..

Remember, governments like the US has always operated with a deficit during bad times only to pay it back during good times.. Its how governments operate..


@Jedi his policies will and have affected business with under 25 employees.

"The day I became a winning trader was the day it became boring. Daily losses no longer bother me and daily wins no longer excited me. Took years of pain and busting a few accounts before finally got my mind right. I survived the darkness within and now just chillax and let my black box do the work."
 
  #448 (permalink)
Elite Member
WPB, FL
 
Futures Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NT
Broker/Data: AMP/CQG
Favorite Futures: CL
 
ctbaran's Avatar
 
Posts: 14 since Jul 2010
Thanks: 220 given, 9 received


Jedi View Post
What drives business is demand, not from the wealthy due to their tax saving but from the mass having excess to spend..

Demand comes from those who have a job, not an unemplyment/disability/foodstamp check backed by recently printed paper. Gov't makes those jobs harder and harder everyday to create on the private side.


"Investing in the future" sounds great...to college kids, as if the money grows on trees. But hey,
"Its how governments operate.. " This is classic Keynes/Krugman.

 
  #449 (permalink)
Jedi Master
SF Bay Area
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: Sierra
Broker/Data: Multiple
Favorite Futures: CL, ES
 
Jedi's Avatar
 
Posts: 564 since Nov 2011
Thanks: 546 given, 577 received


Tarkus11 View Post
Greece entered the EU because Goldman Sachs helped them hide the real amount of debt they were carrying so it looked like they were complying with the Maastricht Treaty.

So you had crooked politicians wanting power, enabled by crooked financing.

BTW - the guy at GS at the time is now head of ECB. Coincidence of course.

exactly why "as a general rule" you want to err in favor of the mass rather than the rich and powerful.. check and balance is ALWAYS a good thing..

 
  #450 (permalink)
Jedi Master
SF Bay Area
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: Sierra
Broker/Data: Multiple
Favorite Futures: CL, ES
 
Jedi's Avatar
 
Posts: 564 since Nov 2011
Thanks: 546 given, 577 received



liquidcci View Post
@Jedi his policies will and have affected business with under 25 employees.

How? We also have a business that is under 25 employees.. I hear everyone complaining but there is really no impact except for recessionary times..


Closed Thread



futures io > > > 2012 Election

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



Upcoming Webinars and Events (4:30PM ET unless noted)

Linda Bradford Raschke: Reading The Tape

Elite only

Adam Grimes: TBA

Elite only

NinjaTrader: TBA

January

Ran Aroussi: TBA

Elite only
     

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
This Election, Think It's Just the Economy? Think Again Quick Summary News and Current Events 0 July 14th, 2012 07:00 PM
Greek election this weekend--anyone long anything? bnichols Stocks and ETFs Trading 3 June 18th, 2012 04:09 AM
Greek Election Cheat Sheet kbit News and Current Events 0 June 16th, 2012 07:10 PM
More Money-Printing to Come After Greek Election? Quick Summary News and Current Events 0 May 7th, 2012 03:20 AM
Overhaul of US Tax Code Is Unlikely Before 2012 Election Quick Summary News and Current Events 0 January 4th, 2011 08:20 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:45 PM.

Copyright © 2017 by futures io, s.a., Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama, +507 833-9432, info@futures.io
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice.
There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
no new posts
Page generated 2017-12-12 in 0.15 seconds with 20 queries on phoenix via your IP 54.167.44.32