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Interesting debate but a couple of things I learned from OT sections of other forums to which I subscribe (for motorcycle and firearms enthusiasts, respectively), which are not as well moderated as futures.io (formerly BMT) are first, not to take too seriously opinions about politics or religion posted on the Interwebz; and second, not to participate in them

Very well said, I subscribe to that and I never participate in those themes as well since they too often end up in 'verbal wars'.

 
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Interesting debate but a couple of things I learned from OT sections of other forums to which I subscribe (for motorcycle and firearms enthusiasts, respectively), which are not as well moderated as futures.io (formerly BMT) are first, not to take too seriously opinions about politics or religion posted on the Interwebz; and second, not to participate in them

I like the back and forth, yeah sometimes people (me included) can get wound up but that's ok as long as they remain respectful.

I believe it's a good thing to get exposed to different viewpoints and so forth and have an open mind and on threads such as this we are exposed to those differences and keeps us in check so to speak or maybe reinforce our beliefs or positions or maybe we actually learn something.

Sometimes when we are so immersed into one particular ideology we can loose balance and have skewed judgement, so I welcome the debate and variance of opinion.

Just saying.....

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Same here kbit. As I've previously stated I don't really think it matter who wins, though I do like debating the issues. Can't wait for the main event...

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The two biggest threats to my personal liberty at the moment are Monsanto seeds and the war on drugs.

Romney is backed by Monsanto. He's been a key builder of the Monsanto business and he wants to push for their perceived rights to own the world's food supply. No person and no corporation has this right, in my opinion.

Romney and the Republicans support an expanded war on drugs where Obama is friendlier to the States that want to legalize pot and end the war.

Both of these issues affect me personally, from where I sit. Both work against my personal freedoms as a human being on mother earth. So at the moment, for me, Romney is the bigger threat to my personal freedom.

Ron Paul broke with the Republicans on both of these issues. He actually believes in personal freedom and doesn't just use it as a brand in a corporate election campaign.

Anyways, I don't want to be tarred and feathered again so I will stop replying.

I'm all with you on the Monsanto thing...the pot issue as well but looking at the big picture in my view there is NO question that Romney is better in terms of personal freedoms and liberty than Obama (you need only to look at Obamacare alone and see the camels nose under the tent)

In the limited context in which you are viewing Romney I see your point but I would ask you to step back and look at the larger picture.

EDIT: I think as Monsanto gets exposed as the evil scumbags they are, they will be dealt with regardless if Romney is on their side.

 
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I prefer Obama Care to Romney's laisez faire/too big to fail approach to the financial sector. I find the latter a far more risky and costly policy. They are both social programs. I don't understand why the right turn a blind eye to their own giant evil socialist schemes. Paulson and Bush represent the biggest socialist powers we've seen in the history of modern democratic nations. I wish people would stop pretending it didn't happen and that everything should carry on as business as usual.

Just for the record. I've already been labelled a communist, a socialist, a Canadian, (proudly), etc. Our health care program is the only socialist program we have. Our government is a lot smaller here than it is there. We don't have such incredibly generous welfare programs. The article I posted earlier was just pointing to the difficulty in making cuts and how everybody had to come together to get it done. Not sure why it was taken as vitriol.

My main concern in all of this is the stability and soundness of the free markets where I make my living. My greatest fear is another orgyastic financial crash orchestrated by the too big to fail run amok. I've already lived through it once, and now I have to relive it through the insults of white shoes types who think the world is better for it. This is my number one biggest issue in this election. Romney is first and foremost a wall street banker and he is just way too cosy with that crowd for my liking.

The war on drugs agenda is secondary. The fact that he is against personal freedom and choice when it comes to pot tells me that ideologically he would be an authoritarian type of leader like W Bush, one who thinks he is bigger than the rest and can have his way, with our without Congress.

The last straw for me is the Monsanto connection. As a key builder of Monsanto's business, having one of their people running his election campaign, and being heavily supported by the Monsanto Lobby group, all smells of a conspiracy against my personal freedom far greater than the cost of giving basic healthcare to the needy. Romney is not the person who is going to give a care about what Monsanto does to the planet's food genome. I thought this was an issue for you to?

I don't know about that Camel's nose. It is pretty tough to cut things once they are entrenched. It seems ObamaCare might have to go, but only if the fed and too big to fail get their life line cut first, and Romney is not going to do that.



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I'm all with you on the Monsanto thing...the pot issue as well but looking at the big picture in my view there is NO question that Romney is better in terms of personal freedoms and liberty than Obama (you need only to look at Obamacare alone and see the camels nose under the tent)

In the limited context in which you are viewing Romney I see your point but I would ask you to step back and look at the larger picture.


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I prefer Obama Care to Romney's laisez faire/too big to fail approach to the financial sector. I find the latter a far more risky and costly policy. They are both social programs. I don't understand why the right turn a blind eye to their own giant evil socialist schemes. Paulson and Bush represent the biggest socialist powers we've seen in the history of modern democratic nations. I wish people would stop pretending it didn't happen and that everything should carry on as business as usual.

Just for the record. I've already been labelled a communist, a socialist, a Canadian, (proudly), etc. Our health care program is the only socialist program we have. Our government is a lot smaller here than it is there. We don't have such incredibly generous welfare programs. The article I posted earlier was just pointing to the difficulty in making cuts and how everybody had to come together to get it done. Not sure why it was taken as vitriol.

My main concern in all of this is the stability and soundness of the free markets where I make my living. My greatest fear is another orgyastic financial crash orchestrated by the too big to fail run amok. I've already lived through it once, and now I have to relive it through the insults of white shoes types who think the world is better for it. This is my number one biggest issue in this election. Romney is first and foremost a wall street banker and he is just way too cosy with that crowd for my liking.

The war on drugs agenda is secondary. The fact that he is against personal freedom and choice when it comes to pot tells me that ideologically he would be an authoritarian type of leader like W Bush, one who thinks he is bigger than the rest and can have his way, with our without Congress.

The last straw for me is the Monsanto connection. As a key builder of Monsanto's business, having one of their people running his election campaign, and being heavily supported by the Monsanto Lobby group, all smells of a conspiracy against my personal freedom far greater than the cost of giving basic healthcare to the needy. Romney is not the person who is going to give a care about what Monsanto does to the planet's food genome. I thought this was an issue for you to?

I don't know about that Camel's nose. It is pretty tough to cut things once they are entrenched. It seems ObamaCare might have to go, but only if the fed and too big to fail get their life line cut first, and Romney is not going to do that.

From what I've seen you post I think you are neither a commy or a socialist, I agree with you totally on the whole corporate welfare stuff and cronyism in general.

The Monsanto thing is an issue to me as well but I think now that the word is getting out on them I think they will be dealt with. When enough people stand up something will happen....Aside from that, Obama is doing nothing to deal with Monsanto and I suspect won't unless like I said there is an uproar or something.

 
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We need an uproar alright. Monsanto's Roundup Ready seeds are taking over every major crop. People are now harboring bacterium based roundup factories in their guts. This is insanity. I just can't believe this is happening to our planet. When you say Obama won't do anything about it why is that? What can a president do to that end? Is that something that Congress needs to address? Who control's Congress now? How powerful is Monsanto? Do you think they can be stopped and an immediate ban on Monsantan's Roundup Ready Seeds?

Everybody needs to see this video about Monsanto Roundup Ready Seeds. Bain capital helped build this company. It's one of Romney's major lobby group supporters.




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From what I've seen you post I think you are neither a commy or a socialist, I agree with you totally on the whole corporate welfare stuff and cronyism in general.

The Monsanto thing is an issue to me as well but I think now that the word is getting out on them I think they will be dealt with. When enough people stand up something will happen....Aside from that, Obama is doing nothing to deal with Monsanto and I suspect won't unless like I said there is an uproar or something.



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Despite my last remark (about not participating), and despite being Canadian, based on my experience as CTO of a Delaware registered / Florida headquartered e-commerce company (now ex-CTO, after the company's IPO faltered on the Frankfurt exchange when European banks stopped talking to US banks in 2008), and before that as a VP R&D of a tech company whose head office vacillated between Colorado and Australia and just now after a glass or 2 of wine, IMO what is now practiced in the US is not capitalism, but a consequence of rather too much central planning, both main parties to the election merely playing the cards as they're dealt from a rigged deck.

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We need an uproar alright. Monsanto's Roundup Ready seeds are taking over every major crop. People are now harboring bacterium based roundup factories in their guts. This is insanity. I just can't believe this is happening to our planet. When you say Obama won't do anything about it why is that? What can a president do to that end? Is that something that Congress needs to address? Who control's Congress now? How powerful is Monsanto? Do you think they can be stopped and an immediate ban on Monsantan's Roundup Ready Seeds?

Everybody needs to see this video about Monsanto Roundup Ready Seeds. Bain capital helped build this company. It's one of Romney's major lobby group supporters.


I don't think it matters who is running things....we just need to keep spreading the word until these guys realize if they want to be reelected they must address this issue...namely ban this crap.

That bee thing is very troublesome as well and needs to be addressed asap

 
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Monsanto now doing their devil's work on the bees. I got that from the Ron Paul blog site. It's so f'd I want to puke.


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I don't think it matters who is running things....we just need to keep spreading the word until these guys realize if they want to be reelected they must address this issue...namely ban this crap.

That bee thing is very troublesome as well and needs to be addressed asap



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