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The article just pointed out one big example from a billionaire who is donating huge amounts of money to Romney as an investment in the returns he will receive should he win. I don't think the article said anything about only rich Republicans benefiting.

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With all due respect Mike, articles like that are written so people can associate a theme. Take the key words out : Donates - Billionaire - Benefit - Romney (republican) - Special low tax rates.

Translation to the people who only read the surface of the article: "Rich republicans who donate to Romney will get special low tax breaks." This is what the average person reads. The Huffington Post knows this which is why they write it this way. You are the exception and are reading it for what it is.

My response was to point out that everyone will win and get the same breaks regardless of which side of the isle they are on.

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HuffPo is as far to the left as fox is to the right. I try to use Google News for everything.

Citizens United needs to be overturned, unlimited funds via super pac's have to be stopped. Corporations are not people. But I don't think anyone is running on that as part of their platform.

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HuffPo is as far to the left as fox is to the right. I try to use Google News for everything.

Citizens United needs to be overturned, unlimited funds via super pac's have to be stopped. Corporations are not people. But I don't think anyone is running on that as part of their platform.

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I recall McCain and his "campaign finance reform" issue in the 2000 GOP primary. Back when I used to listen to Limbaugh as he equated McCain with all kind of liberal evil in favor of W. Bush. Then 9/11 happened and Limbaugh was making fun of McCain sitting there in the Senate as the media cameras panned around in the days after ,and saying no one cares now about campaign finance reform. Had stopped listening to Limbaugh; final straw for me was him mentioning he didn't see the pro-abortion message on someone's license plate until his chauffeur told him about it.

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HuffPo is as far to the left as fox is to the right. I try to use Google News for everything.

Citizens United needs to be overturned, unlimited funds via super pac's have to be stopped. Corporations are not people. But I don't think anyone is running on that as part of their platform.

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Google news seems to aggregate mostly left leaning sources. Especially when it comes to more conservative topics. I saw lots of stories with Huff Puff Post as the source.

I would expect this since Google is a primarily left leaning company.

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Media was caught with a hot mic on coordinating questions at a Romney press conference. But I am sure there is no biased reporting going on......

Reporters caught coordinating questions to build anti-Romney narrative - National Elections | Examiner.com

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Looking forward to never paying taxes again from my beach palapa somewhere between Cancun and Belize.... IT'S ALL MINE....

Everything I have read about Belize seems to really favor expatriots.

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$DJIA Voting For Obama: Election Year Winning Track Good For More Gains & Obama Re-Election Odds Better Than You Think – Jeffrey Hirsch MTS contributor

By Jeffrey A. Hirsch

Now that the post-convention polls are in it appears that President Obama garnered a bigger bounce than Republican challenger Mitt Romney. However, the stock market, namely the Dow Jones Industrial Average may already be voting for President Obama. As you can see in the chart below, 2012 is on the track of DJIA performances during years when incumbent parties won reelection. Since the stock market has done better in years when incumbent parties won, this is an indication that the year will likely hold on to the gains so far and potentially tack on more.



A closer look at the last five election years when sitting presidents were running for reelection provides some deeper perspective. Since 1901 these 19 years have averaged gains of 9% with only two nasty losses greater than 5% in 1932 (Depression) and 1940 (WWII).



Ironically, the worst performing year of these last five election years when sitting presidents were running occurred during Reagan’s landslide reelection in 1984. 1984 was also the only losing year for the DJIA in the last nine that had a sitting president running. When Carter lost his reelection bid in 1980 the DJIA gained 14.9% on the year, but was down 9.5% at the April bear market bottom.



DJIA barely dipped into negative territory for 2012 for three days in early June and is pushing through resistance and at new recovery highs. This action is prototypical for years when presidents achieve reelection. While we may suffer the usual end-of –September pullback, the market is poised to hold on to – and add to – the year’s gains.

Jeffrey A. Hirsch is Chief Market Strategist, Magnet Ć Fund, Editor-in-Chief of the Stock Trader’s Almanac, co-author of the Commodity Trader’s Almanac, editor of the Almanac Investor Newsletter, and author of Super Boom: Why the Dow Will Hit 38,820 and How You Can Profit From It and just-released The Little Book of Stock Market Cycles.

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My own opinion is that this is all a hoax, Romney's candidacy that is... this is just a chance for the public to tear a Wall Street banker off his pedestal, to feel avenged, while the real government goes on with their agenda. I mean come on, was there no other candidate out there for the Republicans to choose from than a banker, four years after the bailout. Seriously, I can't help but feel this is a setup and sham...

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My own opinion is that this is all a hoax, Romney's candidacy that is... this is just a chance for the public to tear a Wall Street banker off his pedestal, to feel avenged, while the real government goes on with their agenda. I mean come on, was there no other candidate out there for the Republicans to choose from than a banker, four years after the bailout. Seriously, I can't help but feel this is a setup and sham...

Of course there were other candidates. What the people want doesn't matter, its what corporations and rich people want that matters. They certainly don't want someone like Ron Paul, so the MSM basically ignored his very existence.

Romney is a sure thing for them, he will do whatever he is told and rollover, fetch on command. So now we just sit back and watch their money go to work to elect him.

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........ So now we just sit back and watch their money go to work .............

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How much money? I was amazed. 13,000 people are running for office in November,
9.8 Billion dollars will be spent on media.

I can't figure out how to embed this, but here it is.


How Much Political Ad Spending Can We Expect?: Video - Bloomberg

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How much is that in debt clock time?

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Ya, Ron Paul had my vote for sure. If the tax code could be burned so that the rich may not hide and cheat, so that a flat tax could be imposed where all pay the same proportionate level of tax, so that the rule of lawyers and accountants could end and society where creators, builders and innovators would become the ruling class, maybe this ship could be turned around. Do a Greece, declare bankruptcy. Put the walls up and F the World. America has what they all want. Space, resources, freedom.... could have been a plan, I'd vote for it..


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Of course there were other candidates. What the people want doesn't matter, its what corporations and rich people want that matters. They certainly don't want someone like Ron Paul, so the MSM basically ignored his very existence.

Romney is a sure thing for them, he will do whatever he is told and rollover, fetch on command. So now we just sit back and watch their money go to work to elect him.

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Th Federal Reserve and Ben casted their vote today. Obama will be re elected.

Wonder how far off QE 4 will be....scary stuff.


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Th Federal Reserve and Ben casted their vote today. Obama will be re elected.

Wonder how far off QE 4 will be....scary stuff.


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There's a pretty good argument out there that since QE doesn't create jobs and tends to put upwards pressure on the pricing of everything, it'll end up hurting consumers, whose vote that would sway. Then again, prices are already high, the election is right around the corner and at the least, the stock market is going to be propped up, barring some additional global issues.

I think that if the Republicans, over the last two years, had presented some bills to fix the tax code, downsize the IRS, make government more efficient and create ongoing FOCUSED (looked at the stats on the amount of money that ended up for the 'shovel ready' projects?) and efficient infrastructure projects, along with doing nothing but emphasizing job creation, they would have had a shot in this election. As it is, they have to pray for more bad jobs numbers and consider pushing us towards 'the fiscal cliff' if they get desperate enough. Maybe the electoral college factor could work for them.

I'm voting Libertarian for President but still need to research my House and Senate votes; that is a tough one for me as I think the whole system is broken (it doesn't do anywhere near the best for the most amount of people in the long run.)

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So, if Obama gets elected and inherits this horrible economy, who is he going to blame for the next 4 years?

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As China slows down and their average wage increases, puppet-ed Obama can blame Iran, the muslim brotherhood (U.N "peacekeeping" forces do the dirty work), and China trade policy(co-opting Trump), while the banks and the likes of Bain Capital help multinationals start exploiting Brazil and South America for new slave labor and tax-haven island businesses flourish. Or Germany(really the ECB) as they increase their takeover of Europe and the Mediterranean economically.

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Average Joe doesn't understand how the system works, they will feel the pain, but not realize exactly how their real wealth is being taken from them. They will see new highs in the markets with each surge and prices, and think, it must be good....


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There's a pretty good argument out there that since QE doesn't create jobs and tends to put upwards pressure on the pricing of everything, it'll end up hurting consumers, whose vote that would sway. Then again, prices are already high, the election is right around the corner and at the least, the stock market is going to be propped up, barring some additional global issues.

I think that if the Republicans, over the last two years, had presented some bills to fix the tax code, downsize the IRS, make government more efficient and create ongoing FOCUSED (looked at the stats on the amount of money that ended up for the 'shovel ready' projects?) and efficient infrastructure projects, along with doing nothing but emphasizing job creation, they would have had a shot in this election. As it is, they have to pray for more bad jobs numbers and consider pushing us towards 'the fiscal cliff' if they get desperate enough. Maybe the electoral college factor could work for them.

I'm voting Libertarian for President but still need to research my House and Senate votes; that is a tough one for me as I think the whole system is broken (it doesn't do anywhere near the best for the most amount of people in the long run.)


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Very few multi-nationals are 'exploiting' any of the BRICS at this point in time. FDI in BRICS has dropped 28% YoY. The major funds are largely dis-invested geographically.

The new focus for international in-flow is Africa. China is well aware it's going to need its own 'China' in 20 years or and Africa has been their economic development focus for the last decade with precisely that long term goal in mind.

Seems there's no shortage of funds available for the area and while this is matched by levels of entrepreneurship and abundant physical resource, infrastructure and business MO ‘African style’ present some barriers to standard venture capital and private equity deployment.

Europe is becoming an economic and political backwater and destined to play a much smaller role in the strategic global power plays over the next few decades. The US, under appropriate stewardship, could well manage its liaisons and overseas interests in such a manner as to team up with the new major players (China & India) in developing the African resource. Plus the US has the ability to quickly modify their practices to work within the African business ethic model far more readily than their staid European counterparts.

Where Obama may have been considered to have been a little low key in relation to foreign affairs, that is a big plus when you consider just how fantastically club-footed Romney was in his brief, but potently debilitating mini tour of offence and charmless cluelessness a couple of months back. Obama’s team could not have scripted it better themselves.

I suspect many Americans will forget partisan entrenchment and go with what makes most sense for America for the next 4 years.

I don't believe in partisan politics. I vote for whomever I feel seems better equipped to handle the major issues facing the country at the time of any election. So, I have just been astounded by the candidates the republicans have been choosing of late. First Sarah Palin, now Mitt Romney! I don't know, but it would appear there is a shallow pool of worthwhile talent to choose from in the Republican ranks.

I observed that even in the primaries there seemed to only be lack luster support for Romney within his own ranks. Any high profile Romney supporter seemed to be pretty much saying, well, I'll support him, since there are no other viable choices. To me, Romney just exudes the air of entitlement, a guy whose been given everything on a silver platter, a guy who doesn't really understand what it is to be an average middle class American.

Am I the only one who finds peculiar that the Republican party chose a wall street fat cat to run, given the rise of the occupy wall street sentiment lately. Really? Do you guys want to win? How about that little foray abroad? Has he ever traveled outside the country before? Does his diplomatic skill entail being able to see Russia from his house too? Come on guys! I can't wait for the presidential debates, somehow I think that is where Romney will literally go down in flames.

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The corporations that control congress can no longer grow their profits and wealth in the US economy alone. The consumers there have been tapped already. There was a time when the game was regulated and the common citizen had a chance. Those friendly corporations are free now to play by their own rules, which is no rules, around the globe, from Africa to China, and soon to 9 billion consumers. They have no loyalty, and no care for the country that gave them the opportunity to become such upstanding citizens. Corporations are people you know, human beings, the best kind. They own congress now that people can do that. Clearly this is the problem, from what I've read on this forum, it's my understanding... Maybe it's time to start blaming your congress person instead of the chief puppet....


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As China slows down and their average wage increases, puppet-ed Obama can blame Iran, the muslim brotherhood (U.N "peacekeeping" forces do the dirty work), and China trade policy(co-opting Trump), while the banks and the likes of Bain Capital help multinationals start exploiting Brazil and South America for new slave labor and tax-haven island businesses flourish. Or Germany(really the ECB) as they increase their takeover of Europe and the Mediterranean economically.


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I totally agree, peculiar is no the word, it almost seems like a manchurian Hoax...


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I don't believe in partisan politics. I vote for whomever I feel seems better equipped to handle the major issues facing the country at the time of any election. So, I have just been astounded by the candidates the republicans have been choosing of late. First Sarah Palin, now Mitt Romney! I don't know, but it would appear there is a shallow pool of worthwhile talent to choose from in the Republican ranks.

I observed that even in the primaries there seemed to only be lack luster support for Romney within his own ranks. Any high profile Romney supporter seemed to be pretty much saying, well, I'll support him, since there are no other viable choices. To me, Romney just exudes the air of entitlement, a guy whose been given everything on a silver platter, a guy who doesn't really understand what it is to be an average middle class American.

Am I the only one who finds peculiar that the Republican party chose a wall street fat cat to run, given the rise of the occupy wall street sentiment lately. Really? Do you guys want to win? How about that little foray abroad? Has he ever traveled outside the country before? Does his diplomatic skill entail being able to see Alaska from his house too? Come on guys! I can't wait for the presidential debates, somehow I think that is where Romney will literally go down in flames.


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I don't believe in partisan politics. I vote for whomever I feel seems better equipped to handle the major issues facing the country at the time of any election. So, I have just been astounded by the candidates the republicans have been choosing of late. First Sarah Palin, now Mitt Romney! I don't know, but it would appear there is a shallow pool of worthwhile talent to choose from in the Republican ranks.

I observed that even in the primaries there seemed to only be lack luster support for Romney within his own ranks. Any high profile Romney supporter seemed to be pretty much saying, well, I'll support him, since there are no other viable choices. To me, Romney just exudes the air of entitlement, a guy whose been given everything on a silver platter, a guy who doesn't really understand what it is to be an average middle class American.

Am I the only one who finds peculiar that the Republican party chose a wall street fat cat to run, given the rise of the occupy wall street sentiment lately. Really? Do you guys want to win? How about that little foray abroad? Has he ever traveled outside the country before? Does his diplomatic skill entail being able to see Alaska from his house too? Come on guys! I can't wait for the presidential debates, somehow I think that is where Romney will literally go down in flames.

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And you think Obama hasnt been handed everything to him on a silver platter? The man went to Harvard basically for free. The man has never held a long term private sector job ever!! So how does he understand the middle class when he has never been in the middle class? At least Romney has employed thousands of middle class workers and has helped many others.

I have managed a teams of workers who would be considered lower middle class and I can tell you I know there problems I know their families and their life story. You do not create a company and have workers without knowing them. So to say Romney does not understand the middle class is just ridiculous.

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White shoe types never really understand what it's like to come from nothing. Obama went to Harvard for free? What about athletes that go to university and colleges on scholarships, was it all for free, they didn't work harder than the other guy? It was all just given to them? I understand Obama does have a pretty awesome intellectual gift, but i tell ya one thing, to finish at the top of your class at harvard you have to work harder and want it more than anybody else. That is not free. Free is a buy like George Junior with a vocabulary of less than 300 words graduating from harvard,,, that's an embarrassment for all who believe in meritocracy and darwinian capitalism, intellectual capitalism in this case...


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And you think Obama hasnt been handed everything to him on a silver platter? The man went to Harvard basically for free. The man has never held a long term private sector job ever!! So how does he understand the middle class when he has never been in the middle class? At least Romney has employed thousands of middle class workers and has helped many others.

I have managed a teams of workers who would be considered lower middle class and I can tell you I know there problems I know their families and their life story. You do not create a company and have workers without knowing them. So to say Romney does not understand the middle class is just ridiculous.

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I suspect many Americans will forget partisan entrenchment and go with what makes most sense for America for the next 4 years.

Well stated. I'd forgotten to mention the potential of Africa although there's still room by the multinationals to exploit developing South America and find consumers in their population further after the current slowdown. I would agree that both party platforms have shown disturbing flaws and finding it hard to vote for either or give in to the "lesser of two evils".

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Africa has the slave labour population to help drive US wages even lower, as well as vast resources... and a population set to double... such a rosy picture..


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Well stated. I'd forgotten to mention the potential of Africa although there's still room by the multinationals to exploit developing South America and find consumers in their population further after the current slowdown. I would agree that both party platforms have shown disturbing flaws and finding it hard to vote for either or give in to the "lesser of two evils".


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Am I the only one who finds peculiar that the Republican party chose a wall street fat cat to run, given the rise of the occupy wall street sentiment lately. Really?

Did the party actually choose him? No. He was chosen by checkbooks of rich billionaires. When presented with a choice of Romney vs others, Romney would save them the most money, so they put their money behind him.

Unless you somehow think that delegates can't be bought, that they are some impermeable body that is not susceptible to the ungodly amounts of money being thrown into this campaign.

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If "Made In Africa" is actually better for the middle class and wages, why do all those people go about saying buy "Made in the USA"... are they just misguided?

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Don't want to hijack the thread, but will just say I don't believe in exporting jobs to Africa because it is cheaper to hire people there...


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Was that in relation to anything I said or are you directing that toward someone else?

As an aside, "Made in Africa" is almost definitely better for the African middle class and African wages. Plus, if you could buy an African manufactured Lexus for $10,000 - would that be a good deal for you too (assuming you wanted a Lexus of course). Wouldn't that be good for the US middle class too?

People going around saying "Buy in the USA" are being patriotic, for sure. And providing the qualityrice of the product or service is better than you can get anywhere else, it makes economic sense too. But if the latter case doesn’t hold, they yes, of course they’re misguided.

But that’s the thing, more Americans have been taking the sensible economic option rather than the patriotic one and importing. Same as they have in Europe and UK. Which is why we are where we are.


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I don't think it matters... while I really don't know how it works in the US, from what I've read here it seems the real power lies in congress and their corporate supporters... the Presidents are just puppets imo. Putting up the wall street guy for a bashing and a defeat is all for show, for the public to feel avenged...

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The Globalist are in control and the Utopia that was America may be for the history books now...

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Did the party actually choose him? No. He was chosen by checkbooks of rich billionaires. When presented with a choice of Romney vs others, Romney would save them the most money, so they put their money behind him.

Unless you somehow think that delegates can't be bought, that they are some impermeable body that is not susceptible to the ungodly amounts of money being thrown into this campaign.

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- Term limits for our representatives
- Limits on campaign contributions
- Scrap the Delegate system, and use popular vote

And how do you propose We The People implement this change? Let's say that the majority of the US agrees with you, the problem is Congress doesn't represent the majority any longer, so it doesn't matter what they want.

If I was super rich I'd spend a lot of money on billboards and radio ads trying to educate the public and trying to get a movement started to bring change. But for the moment, as a single individual, all I can do is talk to anyone who will listen - and most of them are more interested in who won American Idol last night than in improving the system.

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Schwarzeneggar as gov. of California tried a few rounds of public referendums. He was popular enough to get the first referendums on the ballot. But the 2nd rounds for pension reform didn't make it and he gave up and withdrew into global warming and "energy" issues. Too many Californians are on the state dole and member of unions and it was much easier for them get out the vote with motivation to preserve pensions and benefits which are of course impossible to fund except by kicking the bucket down like everything else to future generations of debt. The assemblymen are controlled and voted in by union and immigrant demographics. the state budget always in deficit by tens of billions now looks small compared to the Fed's new QE^3-infinity. i.e. 50 billion created a month.

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Romney "47 Percent" Fundraiser Host: Hedge Fund Manager Who Likes Sex Parties

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Romney "47 Percent" Fundraiser Host: Hedge Fund Manager Who Likes Sex Parties

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That's great...telling it like it is...I hope it helps him,at least he's honest about it

 
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BLOOMBERG: Mitt Romney Just Lost The Election

47% depend on the government for food entitlements, these hedge fund fat cats says as they gorge themselves on the spoils of 1 Trillion dollars in taxpayer cash....


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And who are these 47%, really?

More than half of are working Americans who pay payroll taxes, meaning that they have jobs and provide money to the federal government.

Half of the rest are elderly people who collect Social Security, which isn't taxed as income.

Almost all of the rest are people who make less than $20,000 per year.

In Romney's view, apparently, all of these people are freeloaders who don't take responsibility for themselves.

Romney was already falling far behind in the polls, but some observers believe that these remarks will cost him the election.


Read more: Mitt Romney Just Lost The Election - Business Insider

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BLOOMBERG: Mitt Romney Just Lost The Election

47% depend on the government for food entitlements, these hedge fund fat cats says as they gorge themselves on the spoils of 1 Trillion dollars in taxpayer cash....


I'm not so sure it will hurt him, it's not like what he said is a big secret, it's something everyone knows and likely agrees with....we'll see

 
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apparently also said this, but can't find the vid....

Speaking on the topic of the minority vote, Romney tells his audience that "if the Hispanic voting bloc becomes as committed to the Democrats as the African American voting bloc has in the past, why, we're in trouble … as a nation."
Continuing on the theme, he adds that "I'd have a better shot of winning" had he been born Latino instead of white.

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The Associated Press ‏@AP
BREAKING: Romney: Comment calling Americans 'victims' was 'not elegantly stated,' spoken 'off the cuff'

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And who are these 47%, really?

More than half of are working Americans who pay payroll taxes, meaning that they have jobs and provide money to the federal government.

Half of the rest are elderly people who collect Social Security, which isn't taxed as income.

Almost all of the rest are people who make less than $20,000 per year.

In Romney's view, apparently, all of these people are freeloaders who don't take responsibility for themselves.

Romney was already falling far behind in the polls, but some observers believe that these remarks will cost him the election.


Read more: Mitt Romney Just Lost The Election - Business Insider

Last I heard he was leading in the polls (see: Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports ).

As far as business insider goes, keep in mind they definitely have a liberal slant....just saying

 
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Honestly, I so apolitical, I don't know what anything means, I'm just reporting off the wires cos I'm so damn bored... Twitter/futures.io (formerly BMT) is like the HAM radio for me... This is all rigged up baloney, I don't see a difference between either party... we all know who calls the shots...

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That's great...telling it like it is...I hope it helps him,at least he's honest about it

What exactly do you mean by this? It sounds more like a sound bite aimed at the right wing fanatics who eat up such sound bites without knowing the statistics behind them or the truth of the numbers.

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Things are getting hot....

Voter suppression group: 'Obama gang' to 'steal the election'

Conservative groups are rallying to purge voter lists, intimidate voters with poll watchers, and institute voter ID laws in as many states as possible.

As the New York Times reported Monday, one of the largest such groups is True the Vote, a Tea Party-backed group that has sued states to purge voter lists and plans to train at least 1 million poll watchers this year. The group says it plans to hold summits in 17 states in the lead-up to the election.

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what is the difference between msnbc and cnbc?

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What exactly do you mean by this? It sounds more like a sound bite aimed at the right wing fanatics who eat up such sound bites without knowing the statistics behind them or the truth of the numbers.

Mike

I'm talking about the roughly 50% that pay NO taxes...and the 50million or whatever it is on welfare.
Yeah, you can say welfare is good or whatever, I'm not saying if it's good or bad but just pointing out that they are "takers"...you can say whatever you want but that fact remains.

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Romney is giving a press conference right now

 
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Living Stingy: 50 Million Americans on Welfare? Not Really...

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Romney is giving a press conference right now

I don't get TV, so will have to wait for a YouTube clip. Let me know what he says.

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How many bankers and hedge fund managers on welfare?

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US Defense budget > $700 billion, and everyone wants to continue increasing it. Go long Lockheed, General Dynamics, and etc...

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wow, those are some fat benny's... does that include food stamps? I don't even know what it is here though I'm 100% sure I qualify,, would never do it..




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Memo To Mitt Romney: The 47% Pay Taxes Too

A secret videotape of Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney talking at a private fundraising event earlier this year could revive—in virulent form— the debate Texas Gov. Rick Perry started last year when he complained of “the injustice that nearly half of all Americans don’t even pay any income tax.” The video, leaked to left-leaning Mother Jones (excerpts and a report here), captures the normally cautious Romney at his most candid and impolitic.

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I don't want to pick a fight with you Mike, I know what you are saying as far as me making big general statements without backing them up with a bunch of stats or whatever but, I guess the real point is that those that are receiving some form of assistance are likely to vote for obama.

You can disagree with that as well but that's pretty much how I see it....call me a shill if you will.

I will vote for romney, not because I like him necessarily it's just that I want to get rid of obama and his people(tsars,etc...) and policies

 
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Those hedge hogs at that fundraiser are part of an industry that got 1 Trillion in free liquidity, handed out, and they are clearly voting for Romney..

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As an American that makes more than 250k, I would be far better off with Romney from a tax burden standpoint. But I think the country is better off with Obama.

Both of them are pathetic.

I would have preferred to vote for Ron Paul, and tried to end a lot of the government programs. I am not against some welfare programs, knowing people that are on them and need their help to make it in tough times. But I am against the size of most of the rest of the government, and the direction most of the focus and money is moving towards.

Unfortunately, the President really has little he can do. Even Ron Paul wouldn't have got anything done, because Congress wouldn't have allowed it. The best case scenario would be to have Ron Paul holding daily press conferences and getting the TV stations, which the government owns the air waves, to rebroadcast press conferences where he calls out the Congressman that are standing in the way of what We The People want.

It will only change when enough people get involved to make it change, and force out or "over throw" the current corrupt system.

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How many bankers and hedge fund managers on welfare?

How many bankers and hedge fund mangers pay for peoples retirement? But who needs 401K's, just create another government program for retirement and tax the rich to pay for it. Brilliant!!

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Most of Obama's people were carry throughs from Bush. He also has more high level positions filled by his opposing party, Republicans, than any other President in history as I recall (can Google that later).

I'm not defending him, those people suck. But I think you are wrong if you think Romney would put in anyone who has the interest of the average American at heart. The only thing important to Romney are Corporations, and Corporations do not have the best interest of their employees at heart. Only their share holders.

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As an American that makes more than 250k, I would be far better off with Romney from a tax burden standpoint. But I think the country is better off with Obama.

Both of them are pathetic.

I would have preferred to vote for Ron Paul, and tried to end a lot of the government programs. I am not against some welfare programs, knowing people that are on them and need their help to make it in tough times. But I am against the size of most of the rest of the government, and the direction most of the focus and money is moving towards.

Unfortunately, the President really has little he can do. Even Ron Paul wouldn't have got anything done, because Congress wouldn't have allowed it. The best case scenario would be to have Ron Paul holding daily press conferences and getting the TV stations, which the government owns the air waves, to rebroadcast press conferences where he calls out the Congressman that are standing in the way of what We The People want.

It will only change when enough people get involved to make it change, and force out or "over throw" the current corrupt system.

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I too think the best for the job would be Paul but I don't know how you think it would be better with Obama instead of Romney ....I'll save that argument for a later date.

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There are over 45 million Americans on food stamps, a record, with no end in sight.

The best way to address that would be through lowering unemployment and improving education. I believe that no matter who is elected, we will see unemployment improve over the next 4 years. As for education, it will undoubtedly worsen, as it does every year -- we get further and further behind the curve.

The Education problem cannot be solved by throwing money at it. You can look at many other countries and see they approach education from a very different viewpoint, and it is very important in their culture - while here it is often viewed as nothing more than subsidized day care.

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Why is Romney's tax plan so secret? Why have both Romney and Paul said that they refuse to disclose details, because if they did, you wouldn't vote for it?

Does that sound like something that is going to benefit the average American?

No, it sounds like something that is going to benefit the 1%. According to some website gizmo someone posted a while back, I fall in the 2% category if I recall. I don't want "help" from the government at the expense of hurting the majority of people. I am doing just fine, thank you. Money is not an issue for me, just like it's not an issue for anyone else in the 1% or 2% or 5% and so forth. But money is an issue for the majority of people in the country, yet Romney is not going to help those people.

If he was, then why wouldn't he disclose his tax plan now and gain more popular vote?

The only rebuttal would be that his tax plan goes against the billionaires that are funding his campaign, and that he is going to stiff them and tell them to shove it. How likely do you think that is?

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There are over 45 million Americans on food stamps, a record, with no end in sight.

The best way to address that would be through lowering unemployment and improving education. I believe that no matter who is elected, we will see unemployment improve over the next 4 years. As for education, it will undoubtedly worsen, as it does every year -- we get further and further behind the curve.

The Education problem cannot be solved by throwing money at it. You can look at many other countries and see they approach education from a very different viewpoint, and it is very important in their culture - while here it is often viewed as nothing more than subsidized day care.

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I agree with you but consider that obama's answer is to just throw money at everything and declare it fixed (fact is most of his doling out cash is for union bailouts and favors for cronys). That's not to say Romney won't do pretty much the same thing except give it to different groups but it would be to a lesser extent and I'm thinking he would look for some kind of accountability at least.

 
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Most of Obama's people were carry throughs from Bush. He also has more high level positions filled by his opposing party, Republicans, than any other President in history as I recall (can Google that later).

I'm not defending him, those people suck. But I think you are wrong if you think Romney would put in anyone who has the interest of the average American at heart. The only thing important to Romney are Corporations, and Corporations do not have the best interest of their employees at heart. Only their share holders.

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You fail to see the big picture. Corporations employ people. Corporations give out raises. Corporations allow family s to live out their version of the American dream. They provide healthcare and 401k and profit sharing. Have you ever thought about all the people and children who will be hurt when your candidate taxes corporations out of business. How many family's will lose everything and be on the street because you decided that corporations were evil and you couldnt vote for a candidate who supported them? Its easy to say corporations are evil but they are a necessary evil.

Lets not forget how many corporations you use to run your business right now Everything from your server to your computer to broker to markets you trade. Take those corporations away and what are you left with?

When you leave the country in few years think about what your going to leave us with. If the US goes the world will decay into chaos and your dream retirement wont be far behind.

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You fail to see the big picture.

Corporate profits have seen record highs in recent years, while unemployment is also at record highs. Corporations are hoarding record amounts of cash, while the number of people on food stamps is at a record high.

Kind of a disconnect, yes?

Corporations are not here to help Americans. They are here to make as much money as possible.

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ow many family's will lose everything and be on the street because you decided that corporations were evil and you couldnt vote for a candidate who supported them? Its easy to say corporations are evil but they are a necessary evil.

Lets not forget how many corporations you use to run your business right now Everything from your server to your computer to broker to markets you trade. Take those corporations away and what are you left with?

I am not anti-corporation. I simply said that Romney is going to help corporations earn more money, and that does not mean employees will be better off. Trickle down does not work.

Likewise, the reverse is not true. You simply cannot make corporations be less profitable, and solve the economic problems of the country.

But in a time where corporations are doing gangbusters, but the middle class is doing awful, I would rather see more help go towards the middle class than to making corporations richer.

Corporations are not people. The CEO of the corporation can vote, and can vote with his checkbook to the tune of $2300. Every employee within that corporation that believes one candidate will help them more than the other can also vote, and vote with their checkbook to the tune of $2300. That seems fair.

What is not fair is Citizens United and unlimited super pac's. How could you possibly make an argument that the ultra wealthy contributing unlimited amounts of money to campaigns could be good for anyone other than the ultra wealthy?

I know that all Americans want the dream, and they sometimes vote based on where they see themselves one day (ultra wealthy). The reality is, the middle class is what makes this country turn, and it is being crushed by the ultra wealthy.

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By the way Mike ...YOU didn't build this site...


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I hope you aren't one of those people that believed that sound bite taken out of context. He was talking about infrastructure. As you know, I did build the site. But I didn't build the internet, the power grid, the building housing the servers, and etc which I use in order to run the site. This is what the President was saying to anyone who listened to the whole sound bite, and not just the 2 second clip prepared by Republicans for their ads.

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Corporate profits have seen record highs in recent years, while unemployment is also at record highs. Corporations are hoarding record amounts of cash, while the number of people on food stamps is at a record high.

Kind of a disconnect, yes?

Corporations are not here to help Americans. They are here to make as much money as possible.

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No not at all. Do you have a savings account? Do you hoard money away for a rainy day? Are you not saving for a retirement? Are you not looking our for #1<-- this sounds like a corporation!! You probably have more than most. How is it fair you have all that money and there are people living on the street and unemployed . You should give your "fair share" to those who do not have any, Mike. But my bet is you wont. You have the same mentality as corporation: Survival

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The majority of people on futures.io (formerly BMT) are republicans. The majority of people on futures.io (formerly BMT) are also doing extremely well financially.

So, it is not my intention to start any wars. With politics it is easy to take things personally.

The last parting word I will say tonight is that I dislike Republicans and Democrats both.

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I hope you aren't one of those people that believed that sound bite taken out of context. He was talking about infrastructure. As you know, I did build the site. But I didn't build the internet, the power grid, the building housing the servers, and etc which I use in order to run the site. This is what the President was saying to anyone who listened to the whole sound bite, and not just the 2 second clip prepared by Republicans for their ads.

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I'm not..don't worry ...oh and I know you didn't build the internet either...Al Gore did.

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No not at all. Do you have a savings account? Do you hoard money away for a rainy day? Are you not saving for a retirement? Are you not looking our for #1<-- this sounds like a corporation!! You probably have more than most. How is it fair you have all that money and there are people living on the street and unemployed . You should give your "fair share" to those who do not have any, Mike. But my bet is you wont. You have the same mentality as corporation: Survival

Go back and look at the last 20 years from non-partisan sources, and look at the correlation between corporate profits and the average pay of the middle class vs the wealth of the uber-rich.

How could anyone argue against it?

It didn't use to be this way. It's just gotten more and more worse and pronounced in the last 20 years because more and more laws have been passed to corrupt our politicians into doing exactly what the corporations want. We The People are simply no longer represented.

All it takes is a few billion dollars of ads to convince people of anything you want to convince them of. They love sound bites, and certainly can't be bothered to conduct their own research, since American Idol is coming on in a few minutes. So they just believe whatever you put in front of them.

Whoever has the most money and tells the most lies, wins.

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Go back and look at the last 20 years from non-partisan sources, and look at the correlation between corporate profits and the average pay of the middle class vs the wealth of the uber-rich.

How could anyone argue against it?

It didn't use to be this way. It's just gotten more and more worse and pronounced in the last 20 years because more and more laws have been passed to corrupt our politicians into doing exactly what the corporations want. We The People are simply no longer represented.

All it takes is a few billion dollars of ads to convince people of anything you want to convince them of. They love sound bites, and certainly can't be bothered to conduct their own research, since American Idol is coming on in a few minutes. So they just believe whatever you put in front of them.

Whoever has the most money and tells the most lies, wins.

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Why should I care if someone makes more money than me? Life isn't fair. You probably make more than me. If I start complaining and whining about you not paying your fair share will you give me some of your money? Probably not. I wouldn't expect you too. I wouldnt want you too. You worked for it, its yours. If I want more money I will get a second job or a find a better job than the one I have.

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I dug up a couple clips....I am in alignment with Krauthammer on the I didn't build it thing.
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I don't believe in partisan politics. I vote for whomever I feel seems better equipped to handle the major issues facing the country at the time of any election. So, I have just been astounded by the candidates the republicans have been choosing of late. First Sarah Palin, now Mitt Romney! I don't know, but it would appear there is a shallow pool of worthwhile talent to choose from in the Republican ranks.

I observed that even in the primaries there seemed to only be lack luster support for Romney within his own ranks. Any high profile Romney supporter seemed to be pretty much saying, well, I'll support him, since there are no other viable choices. To me, Romney just exudes the air of entitlement, a guy whose been given everything on a silver platter, a guy who doesn't really understand what it is to be an average middle class American.

Am I the only one who finds peculiar that the Republican party chose a wall street fat cat to run, given the rise of the occupy wall street sentiment lately. Really? Do you guys want to win? How about that little foray abroad? Has he ever traveled outside the country before? Does his diplomatic skill entail being able to see Russia from his house too? Come on guys! I can't wait for the presidential debates, somehow I think that is where Romney will literally go down in flames.

Romney was the only mainstream Republican candidate who wasn't too far to the right on the 'social conservative' side to have a chance to be elected and, also had a pretty solid business background. An oversimplification but definitely the big factors. And the social conservatives dislike Obama enough to vote for Romney.

As far as the air of entitlement, I get that sense from most politicians, few who are in D.C. working for 'the American people.'

There just aren't any Abe Lincolns floating around anymore and they'd be irrelevant nowadays anyway.

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Not sure how it works, can they buy anything with their stamps or only certain products? IE, farm subsidized products, in that case, they are only absorbing the excesses of corporate welfare. I know nothing about it, something to be considered in the equation perhaps?


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There are over 45 million Americans on food stamps, a record, with no end in sight.

The best way to address that would be through lowering unemployment and improving education. I believe that no matter who is elected, we will see unemployment improve over the next 4 years. As for education, it will undoubtedly worsen, as it does every year -- we get further and further behind the curve.

The Education problem cannot be solved by throwing money at it. You can look at many other countries and see they approach education from a very different viewpoint, and it is very important in their culture - while here it is often viewed as nothing more than subsidized day care.

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The majority of corporations pay out six and seven figure bonuses to executives who get paid for short term profit goals and often drive their companies into the ground due to morally hazardous compensation and incentive schemes.

The majority of corporations in America have underfunded pensions, that is, while the leaders of these companies pay themselves ever higher bonuses, I forget the number, but it's a huge multiple of what they earned 20 years ago, and at the same time the men and woman who do the work for these companies are going about thinking they have a pension plan.... Corporations destroy as many lives as they benefit. They care about the next few earnings reports, and that's generally about it...


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You fail to see the big picture. Corporations employ people. Corporations give out raises. Corporations allow family s to live out their version of the American dream. They provide healthcare and 401k and profit sharing. Have you ever thought about all the people and children who will be hurt when your candidate taxes corporations out of business. How many family's will lose everything and be on the street because you decided that corporations were evil and you couldnt vote for a candidate who supported them? Its easy to say corporations are evil but they are a necessary evil.

Lets not forget how many corporations you use to run your business right now Everything from your server to your computer to broker to markets you trade. Take those corporations away and what are you left with?

When you leave the country in few years think about what your going to leave us with. If the US goes the world will decay into chaos and your dream retirement wont be far behind.


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People aren't complaining that you have more money and they have less money. They are complaining about opportunities afforded them. The biggest corporations get to where they are through the halls of congress, they get to where they are on the backs of the people and the power those people represent. When they turn around and stick a knife in those people and gut them of opportunity, unrest is to be expected.


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Why should I care if someone makes more money than me? Life isn't fair. You probably make more than me. If I start complaining and whining about you not paying your fair share will you give me some of your money? Probably not. I wouldn't expect you too. I wouldnt want you too. You worked for it, its yours. If I want more money I will get a second job or a find a better job than the one I have.

I make my own future by the amount of work I put into it. I don't need a handout for the sake of fairness and equality.


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The majority of corporations pay out six and seven figure bonuses to executives who get paid for short term profit goals and often drive their companies into the ground due to morally hazardous compensation and incentive schemes.

The majority of corporations in America have underfunded pensions, that is, while the leaders of these companies pay themselves ever higher bonuses, I forget the number, but it's a huge multiple of what they earned 20 years ago, and at the same time the men and woman who do the work for these companies are going about thinking they have a pension plan.... Corporations destroy as many lives as they benefit. They care about the next few earnings reports, and that's generally about it...

And most of those pensions are run by Unions who negotiated unrealistic contracts so they could collect union dues. It is not the companies responsibility to take care of you for the rest of your life. There is thing called personal responsibility for ones self which seems to been lost in the last 40 years. If people spent as much time planning for the future as they do whining about how much executives or corporations make there would be reason to have this discussion.

But instead we live in a nanny state where people believe they should be taken care of from cradle to grave by government and the companies they work for. And when it does not happen they start whining about how its not fair.Life is not fair. Get over it. Start taking care of yourself and your family first and quit complaining.

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The pension funds rests on the companies financial statements and part of the executive fiduciary duty to maintain. We see it all the time, executives get to together with clever investment bankers and private equity people to raid and gut the coffers, leaving the employees holding the empty bag... It's a disgrace.


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And most of those pensions are run by Unions who negotiated unrealistic contracts so they could collect union dues. It is not the companies responsibility to take care of you for the rest of your life. There is thing called personal responsibility for ones self which seems to been lost in the last 40 years. If people spent as much time planning for the future as they do whining about how much executives or corporations make there would be reason to have this discussion.

But instead we live in a nanny state where people believe they should be taken care of from cradle to grave by government and the companies they work for. And when it does not happen they start whining about how its not fair.Life is not fair. Get over it. Start taking care of yourself and your family first and quit complaining.


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People aren't complaining that you have more money and they have less money. They are complaining about opportunities afforded them. The biggest corporations get to where they are through the halls of congress, they get to where they are on the backs of the people and the power those people represent. When they turn around and stick a knife in those people and gut them of opportunity, unrest is to be expected.

Its amazing. All your posts are about how you cant succeed because the "man" is holding you down. Obama is the same way. Its not my fault this is what I inherited.Here is a lesson for you; You make your own opportunities in life. That is how successful people become successful; You rely on ones self and not others. And if you fail it is your fault not others. You get up after you fail dust yourself off and try again and again till you succeed. That is how the American dream is realized.

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You may interpret my posts how you will. As a concerned citizen I have an interest in ensuring the playing field is level. I don't have a guy in congress pulling strings for me. We know all about the types of people who only care for themselves and put themselves ahead of everybody and everything in life. We see the consequences of their actions every day all around us. Some of us actually care for something greater than ourselves.


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Its amazing. All your posts are about how you cant succeed because the "man" is holding you down. Obama is the same way. Its not my fault this is what I inherited.Here is a lesson for you; You make your own opportunities in life. That is how successful people become successful; You rely on ones self and not others. And if you fail it is your fault not others. You get up after you fail dust yourself off and try again and again till you succeed. That is how the American dream is realized.


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On the conspiracy front... are the handlers just creating this spectacle for the public... the hidden camera at the sex party mansion??? I couldn't write this stuff were I in fiction...

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The pension funds rests on the companies financial statements and part of the executive fiduciary duty to maintain. We see it all the time, executives get to together with clever investment bankers and private equity people to raid and gut the coffers, leaving the employees holding the empty bag... It's a disgrace.


You do not understand business. How do you expect a company to maintain finical solvency when the contracts which negotiated during good times no longer pan out during bad economic times. Economics 101; they cant. Companies are caught in a catch 22. If they close down to save the pensions of existing workers then they are accused of not caring about the workers who have not made it to the age to collect pensions. If they raid the coffers as you so elegantly put it, they they are accused of not caring about the retires. In either case they are screwed and are labelled evil.

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I have an MBA from Kellogg... I know enough


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You do not understand business. How do you expect a company to maintain finical solvency when the contracts which negotiated during good times no longer pan out during bad economic times. Economics 101; they cant. Companies are caught in a catch 22. If they close down to save the pensions of existing workers then they are accused of not caring about the workers who have not made it to the age to collect pensions. If they raid the coffers as you so elegantly put it, they they are accused of not caring about the retires. In either case they are screwed and are labelled evil.


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You may interpret my posts how you will. As a concerned citizen I have an interest in ensuring the playing field is level. I don't have a guy in congress pulling strings for me. We know all about the types of people who only care for themselves and put themselves ahead of everybody and everything in life. We see the consequences of their actions every day all around us. Some of us actually care for something greater than ourselves.

"You dont care about others!"I was expecting this answer. I spend at least 3 months a year volunteering in soup kitchens and helping under privileged kids get out slums and make something of themselves. I teach them to rely on themselves and not the government or others. I teach them to make their own opportunities in life. If this makes me evil and uncaring then so be it. Just curious how much time do you spend helping others?

It is true, at the end of the day I do put family and myself first. That is why I will succeed.

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