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Better Place - biggest electric car infrastructure-project on the run !

These folks just ordered 100.000 cars (!) for the first big testing in Denmark and Isreal !
They cooperate with gouvernments + big powercompanies to work on their vision.

Not in the future somehow or so or not maybe -- the start is in 2 years !

the project seems to run in its planed timeline :

Better Place | The global provider of electric vehicle services

Better Place | Global progress in the transition to electric vehicles


http://www.betterplace.com/company/v...-cars-smarter/

watch the videos !



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I'll try to dig up old links, but the one I found most promising and which as of last year TATA in India was going to produce, is the air-compression approach. This uses electricity to fill up the compressed-air tank, but needs no fuel cells to run. Costs about $1-3.00 in electro-juice to fill a tank of air (same compression as scuba-diving tank) and drive about 100 miles. In theory there would be fill-up stations as ubiquitous as gas stations today so the reduced range should not be a big handicap. Totally clean (apart from electricity generation).

The main thing is politics with all this. There is nothing stopping us all driving around in simple NG vehicles. There are humongous reserves of NG. GM sold the rights to Exxon of their electric car, the Volt, which worked fine, and of course Exon just sat on the technology since it essentially threatened to put them out of business. Politics/money/influence etc. Water-generation is doable as well, but water is hard to control/tax/exploit since it is also something that everyone needs everyday for basic survival. Hence no water cars or water-based home generation systems. Tesla had his 'ether-catching' car but could never bring it to market. A car whose fuel comes from the atmosphere is not a good source of residual income for monopoly (or quasi-monopoly) capitalist models, so of course cannot be brought to market. Honda put out an electric car with NG home generation unit to both charge it and run the house. Then they mysteriously pulled it even though it was a great idea and many would have loved to participate. But they were threatening both the oil and power industries with this product (not NG of course) but it seems NG has no clout since there is so much of it that we seemingly don't want to use. And so on.

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Nikola Tesla's Electric Car -- Electric & Hybrid Cars

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4251491.html
Zero Pollution Motors (ZPM) confirmed to PopularMechanics.com on Thursday that it expects to produce the world’s first air-powered car for the United States by late 2009 or early 2010. As the U.S. licensee for Luxembourg-based MDI, which developed the Air Car as a compression-based alternative to the internal combustion engine, ZPM has attained rights to build the first of several modular plants, which are likely to begin manufacturing in the Northeast and grow for regional production around the country, at a clip of up to 10,000 Air Cars per year....

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Water-generation is doable as well, but water is hard to control/tax/exploit since it is also something that everyone needs everyday for basic survival.

not so fast...
Bottlemania: How Water Went on Sale and Why We Bought It | Water | AlterNet

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The e-wolf should be out in about 2 years.

  • 536 horsies
  • 155 miles an hour
  • 250 mile range on a charge
  • Charges in less than 30 minutes
  • Weighs less than 2,000 lbs


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Making a commercial product out of bottled water - much of which comes from city tap water! - is very different from converting to water as a fuel because it doesn't displace the oil, coal and nuclear industries, not to mention all the ways it would be harder to tax water at the same rate as we do gasoline given how much water people need every day to cook, drink, clean etc. versus how much they would need in their cars (a pint or so max).

I look forward to seeing if TATA can make a go of it with the air compression vehicle in India. If they come out in numbers in the US, it will probably only be after the carbon tax regimes are firmly in place at which point electricity prices will soon triple, plus new taxes on it etc. plus the energy/oil giants will be buying out the power companies or some such. This sort of transition won't come easy. It's not about car technology. They had 90 mph electric cars over a century ago when cars were still highly experimental. Tesla didn't even need a power supply for his prototype (not like the new 'Tesla' in the works). That is anathema for captive-market-milking big corporatists and therefore simply cannot be allowed on the market. So it won't. Ever. Nor will a simple hydrogen car from water. Everyone in rural areas with a well will have free power. People will move back to the country and be harder to manage/control. Won't happen.

The main point to understand is that all this has nothing to do with 'free market capitalism' rather fascist capitalism, or Garibaldi/Mussoloni's definition: 'the union of state and corporate power'. In other words, centralisation. You simply can't have major things like power source be deliverable in non-centralised fashion. Water supply cannot be centralised easily whereas gasoline can. (Bottled water can too because somebody has to bottle it and turn it into something different from ordinary water and in any case most city people can't get access to clean water so it makes sense. But it doesn't power their homes, cars, street lights etc. so that's very different.)

The main energy supplies which everyone ultimately used have to be channeled in ways that are essentially centralised, i.e. controlled. This is increasingly the case with internet access, food supply, seed supply, credit supply and just about everything else. It's soft fascism we live under now. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it is helpful to understand it as the dominant paradigm and not get fooled by misleading rhetorics about 'democracy' 'free markets' and so on which are just propaganda descriptions.

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maybe for not-engl-native-language-guys we can get a short and easy to understand sumary of your story cclsys ?

sorry - really dont get what you say here.

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summary for max...
all markets are manipulated
government and corporations are in bed together
people = sheep
these products will exist when they can be exploited properly

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I have no idea what this says but... maybe between the 2 of them...
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dass ein kommerzielles Produkt von Wasser in Flaschen - ein Großteil davon stammt aus Stadt Leitungswasser! - Ist sehr verschieden von der Umstellung auf Wasser als Brennstoff, weil es nicht das Öl, Kohle und Kernkraft zu verdrängen Branchen, nicht zu reden von all den Möglichkeiten, es wäre schwieriger zu besteuern Wasser mit der gleichen Rate wie wir Benzin gegeben, wie viel Wasser Menschen müssen jeden Tag zu kochen, trinken, sauber etc. versus wie viel sie in ihren Autos zu müssen (ein Pint oder so max).

Ich freue mich zu sehen, wenn TATA können einen der es mit der Luft-Kompression Fahrzeug in Indien zu gehen. Wenn sie aus der Zahl in den USA, wird es wohl erst nach der Kohlenstoff-Steuersystemen sind fest an seinem Platz, an welcher Stelle die Strompreise werden bald verdreifachen, plus neue Steuern auf ihr etc. plus die Energie / Öl-Riesen wird Aufkauf von Unternehmen die Macht oder so etwas. Diese Art von Übergang wird nicht einfach. Es geht nicht um Kfz-Technik. Sie hatten 90 mph Elektroautos vor über einem Jahrhundert, als Autos noch sehr experimentell. Tesla brauchte nicht einmal ein Netzteil für sein Vorbild (nicht wie die neue "Tesla" in den Werken). Das ist ein Greuel für den Eigenverbrauch-Markt-Melken große corporatists und daher einfach nicht auf dem Markt zugelassen werden. So wird es nicht. Jemals. Auch wird eine einfache Wasserstoff-Auto aus dem Wasser. Jeder in den ländlichen Gebieten mit einer gut wird freie Macht haben. Die Menschen werden zurück an das Land und schwieriger zu handhaben / Kontrolle. Wird nicht passieren.

Der wichtigste Punkt zu verstehen, dass dies alles nichts mit 'do Kapitalismus der freien Märkte "und nicht faschistischen Kapitalismus oder Garibaldi hat / Mussoloni' s Definition:" Die Union des Staates und der Macht der Großkonzerne. Mit anderen Worten, der Zentralisierung. Man kann einfach keine größeren Dinge wie Stromquelle werden in nicht-zentralen lieferbar Mode. Die Wasserversorgung kann nicht einfach in der Erwägung, Benzin zentralisiert werden können. (Wasser in Flaschen zu können, weil jemand muss es Flasche und schalten Sie ihn in etwas anderes als gewöhnliches Wasser und in jedem Fall die meisten Leute aus der Stadt können keinen Zugang zu sauberem Wasser, damit es Sinn macht. Aber es lässt sich nicht einschalten ihren Häusern, Autos , Straßenbeleuchtung usw., so dass das sehr unterschiedlich.)

Die wichtigsten Energieversorgung, die in jedem benutzt letztlich kanalisiert werden in einer Weise, die im Wesentlichen zentral erfasst werden, dh gesteuert. Dies ist immer häufiger der Fall mit Internet-Zugang, Versorgung mit Lebensmitteln, Saatgut zu versorgen, Kredit-Angebot und so ziemlich alles andere. Er ist weich Faschismus unter der wir leben jetzt. Nicht unbedingt eine schlechte Sache, aber es ist hilfreich, um es als das vorherrschende Paradigma zu verstehen und nicht durch irreführende Rhetorik über "Get Fooled Demokratie '" freie Märkte "und so weiter, die Beschreibungen sind nur Propaganda.

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summary for max...
all markets are manipulated
government and corporations are in bed together
people = sheep
these products will exist when they can be exploited properly

Ugh, wake me up when I've retired to the Caribbean...

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new intersting interviews with Shai Agassi -

This guy is able to have a deeper look behind things then most others.

its not only a marketing-talk - he allows himself to think in other circles than the mainstream does !
to have a different look at the same given things.

for shure not everyone likes what can be seen when doing this - many folks prefer staying small-small, in their old established circles, with their good old arguments ......

- but thats not the way we really make new steps in my opinion!


watch the video in this "golem" article .

only the text is german but interview is in english.


Elektroauto: "Umverteilung von den Dummen zu den Schlauen" - Golem.de

Better Place | The global provider of electric vehicle services


i just love this visionary

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