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Hello,

Anyone use Lumosity.com?

I just started the trial yesterday.

I will start by sharing my information for yesterday and today:



How do you compare? Thoughts on the site? Noticed a nice improvement with time?

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Yes, it's been discussed a few times on this forum. Do a search...

It helped my attention and short-term memory after a stressful period. There are other more rigorous tools available, but I haven't investigated them thoroughly enough. I just wanted something easy and fun to do between trades.

One can use this free alternative: Brain Workshop - a Dual N-Back game . N-back - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lumosity has its own variant of it, in addition to several other games. I use the word games to keep my English vocabulary sharp.

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Haha, my BPI > 1500....

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Haha, my BPI > 1500....

Nice job. How long you been doing it? Screenshot? Does it translate to any improvement in your trading?

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Nice job. How long you been doing it? Screenshot? Does it translate to any improvement in your trading?

I signed up over a year ago, but I've only used it periodically... I don't really know if it improves anything much, but it sharpens the skills one has. My "Speed" score is still at 70%, while the others are 99%. That's equivalent to my IQ test scores.

Don't do it at night, though. It really gets the brain going. I use it to sharpen up before the day begins...

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I signed up over a year ago, but I've only used it periodically... I don't really know if it improves anything much, but it sharpens the skills one has. My "Speed" score is still at 70%, while the others are 99%. That's equivalent to my IQ test scores.

Don't do it at night, though. It really gets the brain going. I use it to sharpen up before the day begins...

You skipped over the screenshot request? Just talking shit or you prepared to back it up?

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You skipped over the screenshot request? Just talking shit or you prepared to back it up?

Like this?





Forums - Trader IQ Test: Pattern Recognition


I'll post the rest when anybody beats those... I like being a dick about things!

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I'll post the rest when anybody beats those... I like being a dick about things!

LOL! You da man! I'll catch you soon.

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Anybody got a ruler?

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Anybody got a ruler?

LOL; my wife tells me mine is above average.

My intelligence, of course. What did you think I was talking about?

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Like I said, I'm slow as hell....

I'm more of a conceptual thinker than a mathlete, but I guess I can't complain.

I'm also terrible at console games...

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Good morning!

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IQMindWare trashes Lumosity...

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I dislike the fact that, as a vendor, IQMindWare is commenting directly on Luminosity's program (even though I am using IQM and not Luminosity). Also, there is a question of what the objective is?

Luminosity and some others use brain games approach to in a more simplistic, carrot stick policy, it's a fairly reductionist DP approach.

IQM claims to combine DP with n-feedback, a bit more sophisticated (although I am by no means endorsing the quality of this n-feedback program they have). My objective is see a possible improvement in the "elasticity" of my brain - something that will not only directly affect my trading, but other things as well as a more holistic approach to mental health and acuity.....The n-feedback research seems to suggest an actual increase in ability of your brain to conceptualize rather than just sharpen existing faculties....there is a subtle but huge difference.

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After reading Lorenz's post, I decided to give n-backing a try. It has "guaranteed" gains in memory, IQ...etc.

Anyway, I find it awesome. After 36 hrs (and about 130 games), I'm on Dual 3-Back (position and color). It's definitely doing something. The head feels funny (no jokes please ), I see things sharper. I looked at the market today and it felt clearer (the trend off the open might have something to do with it ). When I lied down yesterday after a session, I heard a soft hum in the back of my mind that I didn't recognize before.

Anyways, it's a very short time period.... looking forward to see where it takes me.

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After reading Lorenz's post, I decided to give n-backing a try. It has "guaranteed" gains in memory, IQ...etc.

Anyway, I find it awesome. After 36 hrs (and about 130 games), I'm on Dual 3-Back (position and color). It's definitely doing something. The head feels funny (no jokes please ), I see things sharper. I looked at the market today and it felt clearer (the trend off the open might have something to do with it ). When I lied down yesterday after a session, I heard a soft hum in the back of my mind that I didn't recognize before.

Anyways, it's a very short time period.... looking forward to see where it takes me.

As with everything else, is there a metric you can measure to guard yourself against the placebo effect?

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As with everything else, is there a metric you can measure to guard yourself against the placebo effect?

I suppose I should have an IQ test before starting..... but N-backing trials offer evidence that there are significant gains for most people (though not for all).

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I'd like to invite anybody interested in potential mind-improvement to join me in daily n-backing and report the results. (If you haven't started already, take an IQ before... and then again in 3 months.)

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OK so I decided to try it. Here is after my first session.



It seems I have a problem with ..... Ooo shiny! What was I saying again??

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OK so I decided to try it. Here is after my first session.



It seems I have a problem with ..... Ooo shiny! What was I saying again??

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Hey @Big Mike,
you can fish out Flexibility and Problem Solving games to get a more complete profile (all 5 games).

When you get tired of that, get Brain Workshop and give n-backing a throw.

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Hey @Big Mike,
you can fish out Flexibility and Problem Solving games to get a more complete profile (all 5 games).

When you get tired of that, get Brain Workshop and give n-backing a throw.

Sure, I'm looking for a promotion code before purchasing. When someone sees the word "Enter promotion code", and they don't have one, doesn't everyone open a new tab and start googling for one?

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This one might get hatemail -

Before we get carried away with newly popular terms like brain training, n-feedback, cognitive skills blah blah...let's get grounded.....and not kid ourselves into thinking how smart we are all are....

High IQ does not translate into being a better trader. EQ is arguably as important (if not more) in trading. IQ is a old concept based on standardized tests, these tests and standards are being questioned today as far pragmatic application is concerned.

AS usual, this is not new - but viewing the forest for the trees, so to speak, is critical.......n-feedback is a concept that suggests much more than a simple increase in IQ, which is why (to me) IQ gains are not critical (important but not the end all and be all).

The concept of brain elasticity is....more!

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High IQ does not translate into being a better trader.

Of course it doesn't. But I have yet to see a trader who would be helped by low IQ. The successful traders I have met over the years (yes, it is a small sample) had generally IQs at least 120.

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I should add that memory is exceptionally important for a trader. Otherwise, your screen time is a waste, you're just not absorbing, not learning with experience. Same goes for focus. Without focus, your trading will be all over and you will not be able to make quality decisions at crucial times (like just before entry).

Disciplines like n-backing seem to be excellent at training both.

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This thread inspired me to start taking mensa intelligence tests http://mensa-test.com/
Took me 50 minutes to get 18/33 on part one - then I started cheating. SOB... one short of genius.
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1, 2, 3 (took me forever), 10, 11, 13, 15 (took me forever), 16, 18, 20-27, 32

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After reading Lorenz's post, I decided to give n-backing a try. It has "guaranteed" gains in memory, IQ...etc.

Anyway, I find it awesome. After 36 hrs (and about 130 games), I'm on Dual 3-Back (position and color). It's definitely doing something. The head feels funny (no jokes please ), I see things sharper. I looked at the market today and it felt clearer (the trend off the open might have something to do with it ). When I lied down yesterday after a session, I heard a soft hum in the back of my mind that I didn't recognize before.

Anyways, it's a very short time period.... looking forward to see where it takes me.

I'm glad to hear that!

I haven't done those kinds of exercises in a long time, but I remember how my brain used to hurt. You can actually feel that it's getting good workout. The main problem is that it's so hard that many give up. Thankfully I have OCD and couldn't quit until I mastered it!

After I started studying again, I simply haven't had the time. But, studying math is a great exercise in itself!


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I should add that memory is exceptionally important for a trader. Otherwise, your screen time is a waste, you're just not absorbing, not learning with experience. Same goes for focus. Without focus, your trading will be all over and you will not be able to make quality decisions at crucial times (like just before entry).

Disciplines like n-backing seem to be excellent at training both.

Absolutely! Trading is about recognizing context. It might be better to be have above average intelligence and exceptional memory than a genius with poorer memory functions. That being said, IQ and memory is closely linked in most individuals.



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Of course it doesn't. But I have yet to see a trader who would be helped by low IQ. The successful traders I have met over the years (yes, it is a small sample) had generally IQs at least 120.

The few traders I know are also quite bright. I think a problem with trading is that there are virtually no barriers to entry, which is probably why the failure rate is so high.

That being said, it may also be a question of time. I don't want to put anybody down, and I encourage everybody to prove me wrong, of course.

I'm not fond of IQ as a measurement, but it is highly correlated with good pattern recognition skills.

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"Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time -- a tremendous whack." - Churchill

This is what I was harping about - lets get some simplicity here. Working Memory (WM) and its relationship to IQ (as defined and measured on the standardized test) versus (F&CI) Fluid & Crystallized Intelligence.

Jaeggi herself has, on several occasions clearly delineated these differences, and also clearly stated that the focus of n-dualback was WM, and not F&CI.

And since WM impacted the standardized IQ test directly, it was there that the results would be reflected. Her training has indeed shown that brain games (simple ones and the more sophisticated n-dual ones) focus on WM and therefore IQ. It is not a direct focus on F&CI, and that effects on F&CI are indirect but likely, as a logical result of increased overall brain activity.

Study: Working memory training can improve fluid intelligence | SharpBrains
Can intelligence be boosted by a simple task? For some… | Not Exactly Rocket Science | Discover Magazine

Their research also shows that FI by itself may contribute to IQ but may not be linked with WM's effect on IQ, and that FI & CI are indeed 2 different animals themselves. Obviously, there is a lot of common ground here. The thing to note is that WM and F&CI have been clearly identified separately.

This is clearly a very logical thing to say. As I mentioned in my previous posts, it is important to delineate what one is interested in (as a trader and as a human being). Is it just WM and IQ or is it also F&CI?

Here is very enlightening paragraph on these subtle but huge differences - ( Ref: Andrea Kuszewski @ SciAm)

"First of all, let me explain what I mean when I say the word "intelligence". To be clear, I’m not just talking about increasing the volume of facts or bits of knowledge you can accumulate, or what is referred to as crystallized intelligence—this isn’t fluency or memorization training—it’s almost the opposite, actually. I’m talking about increasing your fluid intelligence, or your capacity to learn new information, retain it, then use that new knowledge as a foundation to solve the next problem, or learn the next new skill, and so on.

Now, while working memory is not synonymous with intelligence, working memory correlates with intelligence to a large degree. In order to generate successfully intelligent output, a good working memory is pretty important. So to make the most of your intelligence, improving your working memory will help this significantly—like using the very best and latest parts to help a machine to perform at its peak."


I subscribe to this view, and it is this sort of F&CI that I am more interested in. Not just plain ole IQ (having had 2 IQ tests at 16 and 34, along with 2 Myers Briggs profiles). As a trader (for me) WM and IQ are important. But F&CI are critical. There is enough material to say that structured improvement in one brings improvements in the other. So it's obviously beneficial to involve oneself in a credible n-dualback program to improve WM and IQ. What I understand (so far), is that neuroplasticity should encompass more of F&CI rather than WM & IQ alone.

Not only that, I also think (having a little bit of familiarity with Bayesian Inferences) that Bayesian thought is what the SciAm article is referring to, in the context of learning new tricks, assimilating and using them effectively. THIS gets the trader in me excited.

And 2 for the miscreants -
Firstly, supporting the view that multitasking is not an asset (in my own view its a very bad thing for trading)
The Overflowing Brain: Most Important Book of 2008 | SharpBrains

And secondly, brain games except some specific ones are pointless -
Brain-training games get a D at brain-training tests | Not Exactly Rocket Science | Discover Magazine

"The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them" - William Clayton


PS - I should include this, since IQ is commonly referred to as a measure of intelligence, a common question should come up - what is the difference in FI and Iinteeligence, and why aren't they the same thing? Well, yes they are............. , but no they are not.. Curiously, I have never been able to turn the girl both ways.....until now (occasionally)....am I going crazy with all this brain voodoo?



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Damn you, @Deucalion. I started writing about this last night and was about to finish it now, but I see little point in it now.

I've posted the free Brain Workshop - a Dual N-Back game earlier in the thread, and that links to a few articles and papers. This whole industry is basically based on Jaeggi's paper.

I find myself a little turned off by the posting of Lumosity scores. It really goes against the nature of this concept. For me it is more about personal insight and control, not about showing off to others. I use Lumosity as a toy. I like some of the memory games, much like I enjoy solving crosswords or Sudoku puzzles. Lumosity also includes a Dual N-Back game, of course, but I find the free one to be better.

Dual N-Back exercises are quite hard, and I sometimes use a memory game at Lumosity to help me regain my focus -- not as at tool to improve my intelligence. I can play a memory and/or attention game if I feel my attention starts to wander off, but I can't easily do a quick Dual N-Back game. That defeats the purpose.

I guess I could have just as easily arranged a deck of cards in rows and tried to find pairs or sets of four of a kind. My desk is just simply not big enough!

Another thing to remember is that one can train one's brain in other ways, as well. I love philosophy and mathematics. Constantly mulling over an abstract concept until one get it also influences one's ability to think wide and deep. I have OCD, and constantly training my working memory decreases my symptoms. Thus, my motivation probably differs from someone simply trying to become more intelligent. I like to think that I'm quite intelligent, but my OCD makes my IQ score fluctuate about 20-30 points. Therefore I become smarter simply by relieving symptoms, regardless of whether the training actually increases my IQ. Truth be told, I don't really like the concept of IQ. Numbers and games are meaningless if one can't use it to accomplish things. The motivation must be to drive humanity further by constantly improving technology and social structures. Alas, I'm quite skeptical about human kind actually accomplishing this. Thankfully I can apply my skills to trading and buy back my freedom from this hellhole of a world!

I agree with the title of Klingberg's book. Information overload is why I'm retiring my online presence soon. I thought I would've been able to do it already, but, with the with the public interest in both LSD and neuroplasticity, I had to postpone it a bit. I can feel my brain deteriorating by participating on online message boards. It's not good for my attention to constantly check for updates and jump from one subject to another. I've always enjoyed thinking deeply about things, but now I'm constantly bombarded with information. I am one of those "freaks" that hate Facebook, cell phones and TV programs with commercials (don't we all), as I feel they derail my train of thought.

Keep in mind that Klingberg is the founder of Cogmed ( Cogmed Working Memory Training | Torkel Klingberg, M.D. Ph.D.). He has some interesting papers at Klingberg lab. Cogmed is rather pricey, and I have my doubts of its effectiveness compared to other options.

I have exams coming up, and therefore I must excuse myself from further participation on this message board -- at least for a while. It seems you have a good handle on this now; I'm actually a little envious. I remember when I first started to look into it, it redefined my whole perception of myself and my surroundings. I'm quite anxious to hear about your progress. Feel free to PM me...

By the way, please stop bringing up Bayesian inference; there is absolutely no connection to trading...

P.S. I've always been able to have her turn both ways -- just like in real life...

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I find myself a little turned off by the posting of Lumosity scores.

Is that why in your second post to this thread you wrote:


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Haha, my BPI > 1500....

But seriously, "score" is just a means of keeping track. You could say the same thing about money. Having more of it does not mean you are happier or a better person.

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Updates on my n-backing experiment.
After a few days of dual 3-backing (position and color) and scoring about 70 to 80% level, I am experiencing incredibly lucid dreams. When I wake up, I remember all my dreams with details clearly (3 dreams usually... maybe because I 3 back? ). This has never happened to me before.
I'm not crazy about this 'side effect'... I'd prefer waking up and not remembering anything.
As for anything else, I can't say, but it's still been a very short time.

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Updates on my n-backing experiment.
After a few days of dual 3-backing (position and color) and scoring about 70 to 80% level, I am experiencing incredibly lucid dreams. When I wake up, I remember all my dreams with details clearly (3 dreams usually... maybe because I 3 back? ). This has never happened to me before.
I'm not crazy about this 'side effect'... I'd prefer waking up and not remembering anything.
As for anything else, I can't say, but it's still been a very short time.

Hi Anagami,

I am curious, do you mean a lucid dream or just a dream that you remember with high clarity? In other words, are you aware you are dreaming, while you are dreaming?

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Hi Anagami,

I am curious, do you mean a lucid dream or just a dream that you remember with high clarity? In other words, are you aware you are dreaming, while you are dreaming?

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In the dreams, I was not aware that I was dreaming, but when I woke up, I remembered all 3 in complete details.

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Is that why in your second post to this thread you wrote:

But seriously, "score" is just a means of keeping track. You could say the same thing about money. Having more of it does not mean you are happier or a better person.

Today is day 3 for me, and I am enjoying it very much.

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I will not allow this kind of defamation to stand uncontested!

I like Lumosity, and it helps my sharpen my attention and memory. That is very different from actually inducing a noticeable change in fluid intelligence. Try doing Dual 3-Back for 20 minutes a day for a week and you will feel a completely different "brain melt".

My comment was merely a friendly jest. I am glad people have taken an interest in it. It surely is better to brain exercises than passively watch TV or read one's meaningless Facebook feed.


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Updates on my n-backing experiment.
After a few days of dual 3-backing (position and color) and scoring about 70 to 80% level, I am experiencing incredibly lucid dreams. When I wake up, I remember all my dreams with details clearly (3 dreams usually... maybe because I 3 back? ). This has never happened to me before.
I'm not crazy about this 'side effect'... I'd prefer waking up and not remembering anything.
As for anything else, I can't say, but it's still been a very short time.

Very interesting! I was plagued with nightmares in my teens, and therefore I worked on this quite a lot. I am now very often aware of dreaming. It usually takes a little while to understand that it is a dream, but when I do I can even change the plot. When one starts remembering, or even being aware of, one's dreams it's easy to become frightened. However, it's important to remember that this is a way for the brain to sort out all the junk one puts in it. It's amazing how stress changes one's dreams.

I probably die in my sleep once a week, but it's more like losing in a video game now. I am aware of it being a dream, and I can wake myself up or change the dream. It doesn't always work, of course, but more often than not.

The downside is that all of the amazing things one can see in dreams are so far from ordinary reality. It's like a self-induced LSD trip. I rarely have real nightmares anymore, but I often jump out of planes without parachutes and similar things.

By remembering one's dreams, one gets to squeeze more out of life. I pity the fools that black out 8 hours a day!

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I think I need to find the special needs section of the forum after comparing my score!




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I did the free one, which is kinda crap because they don't give you the BPI score. But what's interesting is I couldn't get past level 10 on the box thing. I kept nailing the 9 level over and over again, but as soon as there were 10 it seemed like I could only remember about half of them. You would think I could remember 8 or 9 of them, but I couldn't, it was like memory overload. I was working on half my normal sleep and no coffee, so it will be interesting to see how it changes tomorrow on a full night's sleep and coffee. Maybe I'll do a full night's sleep and no coffee tomorrow and then next day do full night's sleep and coffee and see how that compares.

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I did the free one, which is kinda crap because they don't give you the BPI score. But what's interesting is I couldn't get past level 10 on the box thing. I kept nailing the 9 level over and over again, but as soon as there were 10 it seemed like I could only remember about half of them. You would think I could remember 8 or 9 of them, but I couldn't, it was like memory overload. I was working on half my normal sleep and no coffee, so it will be interesting to see how it changes tomorrow on a full night's sleep and coffee. Maybe I'll do a full night's sleep and no coffee tomorrow and then next day do full night's sleep and coffee and see how that compares.

LOL, I forgot all about this until BM's post. I guess I do need Luminosity.

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Lumosity is really a great challenge!
I started some months ago and had several "highlights" during the games.
They are becoming more and more handy - and the approach to train the grey cells
seems gaminglike easy.

Even though a great progress is to see over the time there are some drawbacks
in the game's nature:

1) if you are not speaking english by mother tongue you get
a) problems with bird name guessing which diminishes your extra points
b) problems with quick word findings in "Word Bubbles" or "Word Bubbles rising"

2) if you have a lame internet - the speed games are working so slow that you never
can reach certain levels... These are very important to raise your BPI.

As a conclusion - the brain training skills are getting better - and the concentration
needed to trade is quite higher.
I left university long time ago: this fun game is really recommended for the daily brain training.
Since one can compare the BPI within the group of same age - the results are quickly to see.

The best of all is that new games arrive and make it more interesting to play all levels.

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i'm trying to make a habit of playing the games every day ...

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i'm trying to make a habit of playing the games every day ...

Congrats

BPI looks great! Have seen one better result here only from dead @ LORNZ

To see a comparison with the same age group - the comparison chart is revealing more



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the comparison chart is revealing more, you need compare yourself with other age groups than yours, than it's revealing even more

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I have subscribed for 2 years, i'm really thinking of getting the life membership next.
I find it very helpful for a lot of reasons.
Playing my daily games/training is part of my morning routine.
I don't even turn on my charts until I'm done my training session, or if I skip it I'm not turning on my trading platform at all

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I have subscribed for 2 years, i'm really thinking of getting the life membership next.
I find it very helpful for a lot of reasons.
Playing my daily games/training is part of my morning routine.
I don't even turn on my charts until I'm done my training session, or if I skip it I'm not turning on my trading platform at all

Thanks for your input, I'm considering a 2 year subscription as well.

And I like the idea of making the training a daily routine before I start trading, this might help building up more discipline.

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the comparison chart is revealing more, you need compare yourself with other age groups than yours, than it's revealing even more

very true: younger means higher, older means lower BPI

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I have a 2 year membership - as looking back to some months training - it is worth the price!
Looking forward to new games ;-)

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I have a 2 year membership - as looking back to some months training - it is worth the price!
Looking forward to new games ;-)

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Thanks, I think I'll give it a try and see if / how anything improves...

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Have an account with a friend of mine. We take turns in doing the training in there, and progressing on BPI together. Have been rising steadily in almost all of the games over time.

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;-)
Had this weekend a 13 year old boy playing the Penguin Pursuit.
I thought that my skills after playing this one many times were quite good -
BUT:
after he played exactly 1 hour - he boosted my levels and points to the double.
Now I can see the experience of playing thousands hours of video games

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Now I can see the experience of playing thousands hours of video games

Don't feel envious - they are all emotionally and empathically retarded. Takes us much longer to get there...

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I have a 2 year membership - as looking back to some months training - it is worth the price!
Looking forward to new games ;-)

GFIs1

Thanks for recommending this, I have really enjoyed my first month's progress, I may not be any smarter but I do feel sharper - and at my age that definitely helps!

I am sure much of the improvement just comes from task familiarity (oh, wait, trading anyone?) but then I was starting from a 'gaming career' that at best had encompassed Asteroids, Crystal Maze and Crash Bandicoot

I have stuck to their training program of just 5 games a day, 3 or 4 days a week with occasional longer streaks of days.

So here I am now:







Steady progress, still many miles to go but at least a few nice views in the rear mirror now, sounds just like a trading journey to me.

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Steady progress, still many miles to go but at least a few nice views in the rear mirror now, sounds just like a trading journey to me.

Congrats ratfink!
Nice result after four weeks. This is really amazing.
My progress was not so fast first - some vocabulary games need to have more practising for non english
mother tongues. But finally I am in the game too

As of impact for trading - I feel that recognizing details on first view - be it on charts or on numbers - has
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There is a need to stay with the game(s) every week for at least 3 days to hold this attained level.

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As of impact for trading - I feel that recognizing details on first view - be it on charts or on numbers - has
made a big progress since I am training with lumosity.

Yes, I have definitely found this too. Looking forward to next year, soon December is vacation for brain time....

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Thanks @ratfink for posting your results, a really nice progress so far.

I made a similar experience since I started my training about a month ago.
I'm trying to practice every day but on some days I'm just too tired to play in the late evening, so the results of these days would be cruel and heartless.










So, overall I think my memory needs a lot more training...I'll go on with that for sure if I don't forget it until tomorrow...

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Here my lumosity BPI development since start in July 2013:



If you see THIS "chart" parallel to my trading account - then everything is fine

Back to the details - I started lumosity with a BPI of 284 - now it is around 1090.
For my age group - the same as my companions showing their results on this page
I have reached now the 90th percentile... so hard work to get to reach the finish line.

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Here my lumosity BPI development since start in July 2013:

If you see THIS "chart" parallel to my trading account - then everything is fine

Back to the details - I started lumosity with a BPI of 284 - now it is around 1090.
For my age group - the same as my companions showing their results on this page
I have reached now the 90th percentile... so hard work to get to reach the finish line.

GFIs1

Thanks for posting your results, if my trading account would look the same I'd be aware of some larger retracement which might show up rather sooner than later.

And of course you're right....it takes exponential efforts to squeeze out the last few percents after you reach a certain level...

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Well, @ratfink posted his recent awesome improvements during his well-deserved holidays in his journal.

So, I'd like to give an update of my development during the last month as well...








Although I didn't practice every single day, it seems that progression is unstoppable...

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So, I'd like to give an update of my development during the last month as well...

Although I didn't practice every single day, it seems that progression is unstoppable...

El Superbo! Impressive stuff, especially fllexibility and problem solving!


I doubt I can catch some on there at my age but I really enjoy it and intend to keep the race going

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El Superbo! Impressive stuff, especially fllexibility and problem solving!


I doubt I can catch some on there at my age but I really enjoy it and intend to keep the race going

Thanks @ratfink, but I know that you won't give up until you reach 99.9 percent...

...So let's just keep going with our club of 'grumpy old men', I really enjoy it as well.

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Thanks @ratfink, but I know that you won't give up until you reach 99.9 percent...

...So let's just keep going with our club of 'grumpy old men', I really enjoy it as well.

I'm trying:



Just who are those guys?


Anyway, you've had your 24 hours of glory....











Looking forward to the 2014 games! It would be good to flush out any other 'dark horse' Lumosity players and even better if it helps next year's equity curves...

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These are my results:


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Congrats, very impressive score indeed !

Not much room left for improvements...

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Thank you. I found it quite easy to get to 1400 on each area, but then it got a bit difficult. Well still have a room to go. At least 1500 on each area is my goal.

Last two weeks I didn't play regulary and yesterday I tried to play few games and I wasn't able to get my standart results. So daily practise makes difference.

Just for curiosity, my best BPI on single game is 1699. It's on Train of Thought. I think this BPI is maximum you can get.

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Thank you. I found it quite easy to get to 1400 on each area, but then it got a bit difficult. Well still have a room to go. At least 1500 on each area is my goal.

Last two weeks I didn't play regulary and yesterday I tried to play few games and I wasn't able to get my standart results. So daily practise makes difference.

Just for curiosity, my best BPI on single game is 1699. It's on Train of Thought. I think this BPI is maximum you can get.

Fantastic results, that's really impressive!

I love Train of Thought, but it's a real tough job above 12 stations so well done. My best personal achievements are 107K against the damn penguin and level 16 on the pinball memory.

At 57 I seem to have hit my brick wall at 1345BPI and I have been in a constant retrace since mid-January, but then so has the trading, bugger. I've just cancelled my Lumosity annual renewal, teddy-out-of-pram style.

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I've just cancelled my Lumosity annual renewal, teddy-out-of-pram style.

relax - rat - from 69 you are getting on that train again..

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Good to see I am not the smartest here in Lumocity. Here is my results



At least it is give me some confident to make my combine run at TST

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Awesome @matevisky !!!! It is performances like yours that make me embarrassed to show my score!

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Fantastic results, that's really impressive!

I love Train of Thought, but it's a real tough job above 12 stations so well done. My best personal achievements are 107K against the damn penguin and level 16 on the pinball memory.

At 57 I seem to have hit my brick wall at 1345BPI and I have been in a constant retrace since mid-January, but then so has the trading, bugger. I've just cancelled my Lumosity annual renewal, teddy-out-of-pram style.

These are great results in you age. Very keen mind. You must have high percentile in your age group. Haha penguin is getting really fast when score is at 100K. I beat him with 186K. And pinball memory is one of the toughest game, lvl 16 should be my max as well. Trade well.

And to Train of Thought. Yes 12 stations seems impossible, it took me time to get final 14. And then they are adding you number of trains. So now I have 14 stations and 60 trains. My best is 57/57 and 57/60 so far.

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Awesome @matevisky !!!! It is performances like yours that make me embarrassed to show my score!

The only different between you and me is simple that you are profitable on the battlefield

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The only different between you and me is simple that you are profitable on the battlefield

THANKS! You have given me incentive to up my Lumosity game...


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The only different between you and me is simple that you are profitable on the battlefield

So Matevisky,
whats the bottom line. How do you feel?do you solve problems faster?thinking changed in anyway?
and more importantly are you picking up more babes with you intellectual sauve?

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So Matevisky,
whats the bottom line. How do you feel?do you solve problems faster?thinking changed in anyway?
and more importantly are you picking up more babes with you intellectual sauve?

For me the bottomline is to keep my brain happy. I believe lumosity helps me to do that. I dont believe that a single thing will make a profitable trader, but I do believe that it helps me to find my own edge. As I said it is good to see other traders are using/doing/praticing lumosity, make me confident

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For me the bottomline is to keep my brain happy. I believe lumosity helps me to do that.

Yep - Lumosity sharpens the eye and reactions... enough to leverage skills for trading

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I played with as a free trial few years back when it came out. Not bad,thinking of joining up though.

For my reflexs and eye/hand dexterity FSX and Battlefield 3 !!!

Those kids keep me on my toes.

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relax - rat - from 69 you are getting on that train again..

GFIs1

so far I see only excellent results - I could not trade against ;-)

Keep on trying!!

Thanks, I did - and I found out that my Lumo subscription doesn't expire until October so here I am now:








But I still need to wait 20 years or put a contract out......




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That is pretty awesome performance!

Congrats!

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I know crazy,

Has your trading performance changed over the "training" period or are you just getting good at video games?

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I know crazy,

Has your trading performance changed over the "training" period or are you just getting good at video games?

Definitely the $64M question, all I can say for sure is that I feel and act a lot 'sharper', make less dumb mistakes and am much quicker to size up a situation, both background context and trigger pulls.

However, I would say the main block for me up until now has been the emotional/impulsive rubbish that has to be dealt with en-route, before any major trading performance threshold can be crossed, and that has been happening in parallel so it is of course hard to measure.

What I have noticed is 'surprise' improvements that seem to come along when it doesn't feel like anything is really going on, this suggests to me that stuff is being consolidated in deeper or more useful ways that are not just game specific.

I'll use the journal area to update more trading specific reviews as we go but I am very happy that I was introduced to Lumosity and have given it time - and I think it's important to do it at a measured pace as they recommend, seems like that is what helps it 'stick' deeper.

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I've been doing the lumosity training for a couple years now and I'm happy enough with the results to keep up a subscription, I've even bought subs for some of my relatives. I was playing online poker professionally when it came out and always looking for ways to increase my edge so I got into it right away. I noticed fairly soon that I was able to remember peoples names better, so that was all I needed to see it was working, and I've been going ever since. I've actually been slacking lately, probably only playing once or twice a week, as I've been spending most of my time devouring every bit of info on trading I can find, but reading this has reminded me that it needs to be a part of my daily routine again.



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Great thread - I'm going to try this !

I bought a couple meditation apps for my iPad but I would love to work on more than just anxiety management and stress reducers.

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I've been doing the lumosity training for a couple years now and I'm happy enough with the results to keep up a subscription, I've even bought subs for some of my relatives. I was playing online poker professionally when it came out and always looking for ways to increase my edge so I got into it right away. I noticed fairly soon that I was able to remember peoples names better, so that was all I needed to see it was working, and I've been going ever since. I've actually been slacking lately, probably only playing once or twice a week, as I've been spending most of my time devouring every bit of info on trading I can find, but reading this has reminded me that it needs to be a part of my daily routine again.

Great results and interesting observations, I found the face memory one of the biggest changes as well.

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Fun Suckers. Walked 14 miles today to try and keep some of the other bits working as well, now I'm shot.

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Fun Suckers. Walked 14 miles today to try and keep some of the other bits working as well, now I'm shot.

Hi Ratfink,

Good to see you posting still. Are you still addicted to overtrading and when bored doing the dreaded gamble trades?
I hope this is still not the case.

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Hi Ratfink,

Good to see you posting still. Are you still addicted to overtrading and when bored doing the dreaded gamble trades?
I hope this is still not the case.

Regards

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Thanks for remembering. All's good at the moment. How about you?

Have replied to your next post in my journal so we don't clutter this Lumosity thread too much ( )

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Thanks for remembering. All's good at the moment. How about you?

Im ok thanks.Have you now resorted to the very limited number of trades per day approach or still addicted and end up being trigger happy when your first daily trade becomes a loser and start to chase your losses and end up like a bear with a big sore head?I used to be like that

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There's a lot of talk about research and stuff into lumosity and the other brain games helping to improve IQ and the other things, and I saw a mention that one gentleman here was using the training to keep his OCD in check.

I'd love to know if there's anything which points to elderly people keeping their faculties longer when the usual warning signs of senility start raising their ugly heads.

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I'd love to know if there's anything which points to elderly people keeping their faculties longer when the usual warning signs of senility start raising their ugly heads.

I'm thinking of my parents who are in their eighties.

Only immediate one I could find is this:

https://asset-origin.lumosity.com/uploads/completed_research_post/original_paper_file/12/Ballard-2012-CNS.png

Which suggests the obvious, that training helps task performance, but can't yet say much about rate of cognitive decline or task transfer. Jury has to remain out but, as another who is concerned to stop my own ugly signs of senility I'd rather do something than nothing. Eighties might be a stretch unless they're already computer savvy or keen though.

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Fortunately both the people in question are computer-literate although in most other ways they are typical for their age group.

I've seen you @ratfink note that your lumosity score slips when you don't train. That must be a definite wake-up call. If I can persuade them both to train regularly, then at least they can monitor their condition and if their score starts slips over an extended period then it might inspire them to take early remedial action. Early days yet but food supplements, lifestyle changes etc come to mind. Plus of course if there is no decline then even better.

I'm hoping to get more success on the mental fitness side with them than I did on the physical fitness side. Gardening and going up the stairs is their idea of a good work-out

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I started doing Lumosity, on a friend's recommendation.

I am skeptical about the claimed cognitive benefits, but I had the goal anyway of starting to play games, any kind of games. I enjoy playing it and the incremental improvement in scores. My initial scores were abysmal, but in just a couple of weeks they have improved dramatically.

Maybe the biggest benefit is that I get something to do together with my kids, age 7 and 12. They love taking my Lumosity account and showing me how to do it. The 7 year old gets three times my score on the suitcase packing game.

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I started doing Lumosity, on a friend's recommendation.

I am skeptical about the claimed cognitive benefits, but I had the goal anyway of starting to play games, any kind of games. I enjoy playing it and the incremental improvement in scores. My initial scores were abysmal, but in just a couple of weeks they have improved dramatically.

Maybe the biggest benefit is that I get something to do together with my kids, age 7 and 12. They love taking my Lumosity account and showing me how to do it. The 7 year old gets three times my score on the suitcase packing game.

Children are very adaptive to make progress on all sort or arcade like games - they are MUCH faster than a average adult.

What I found about Lumosity - it helps you to develop different areas of the brain. It just needs ongoing training

I am learning a new language from scratch - this means to have ALL these pictures in mind...
and to make it worse - the alphabet is different too.

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It's interesting how Lumosity highlights the different cognitive strengths of people. My elder daughter excels at the pinball game while the younger kills at suitcase packing. The wife loves to crunch numbers.

I have on my Someday/Maybe list to learn a tonal language. I've done the thing with the different alphabet, and also one with ideographs. But the tones of either Thai or Chinese would tickle my brain, I think.

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Don't know about anyone else but this new LPI is kicking my tail end.
Definitely do not want to have a bad day now training in Lumosity or your scores and percentages fall as fast as the market after Mario Draghi gives a speech.

Just realized that I forgot to do my Lumosity today and will do it tomorrow as to late in the eve to do it now.

Seriously though anyone else a tad disturbed at the new LPI. Plus when they introduce a new game to you, they claim it doesn't hurt your scores, but because there are less games going toward score any movement down is amplified.

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