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one the best ever seen just last month. or cgi has gotten too good...




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just a few recent strange new items:

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Meet the ancestors -- exhibition reveals faces of prehistoric humans

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Prof. Guy McPhearson; presentation in Ecuador! (maybe felt safer and more free since NDAA)

Claims 100 mile inland zone from U.S. borders where Bill of Rights is negated; upheld by supreme court
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Claims shale oil already hit peak & depleting 60% a year, the bubble going on false hope.
Claims unemployment if figured like previously done in 1979 would show current real unemployment at 25% to 37.2%
Claims bond trader in Chicago friend of his, arrives home every day after work surprised to see the lights still on.
Claims hyperinflation within 2 years, with possible start this year.

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CNN special "sign-off" video discovered...

Former CNN intern leaks long-rumored ?doomsday video? - NY Daily News

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Dr. Paul Craig Roberts recent interview with Alex Jones:





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some corporations do not pay any taxes: GE, Verizon, Exon and Bank of America.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-10/man-will-never-be-invited-back-cnbc

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zerohedge new article on the demise of the middle class.

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Found this "unidentified" map of the lands outside the ones that we know of already.

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Found this "unidentified" map of the lands outside the ones that we know of already.

The scales are just terrible though. Might be made up by someone using a Mercator scale atlas for reference Africa on the world map: What's the real size? - CNN.com

 
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The scales are just terrible though. Might be made up by someone using a Mercator scale atlas for reference Africa on the world map: What's the real size? - CNN.com

The Hawaiian gazette. (Honolulu [Oahu, Hawaii]) 1865-1918, January 11, 1907, Page 2, Image 2 « Chronicling America « Library of Congress

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By far the best video i have had a chance to see on the subject of earth possibly being a circle and not a globe sphere. Really good questioning.


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Kim Jong Un After Missile Test: 'The Entire World Looks So Beautiful' - NBC News

Kim Jong UN in league with NASA and GoPro. "U.N." get it?

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Circumnavigation of a F.E. for dummies? yes, it is.



I'd better tell my older brother who's last project was designing the electronics for upgraded safety systems on the ISS that he's wasting his life.

I'm tired so flat-brained writing this What I think is just like this famous Ted talk where violence is dealt with like a communicable disease, (his work lead to the "violence interrupters" in Chicago) we'll probably need something like this program to cleanse society / YouTube of all this F.E. etc. stupid crap.



I recently set up a new 4k TV, completely fresh, new IP6 router so no way to know anything about the owner. Youtube's first offerings were all the worst conspiracy docs made from other conspiracy docs and a ton of flat Earth crap. Now this must mean something about the default demographic...

It actually has me worried. It all started as a vaguely amusing intellectual exercise decades back (50s?) however... there are limits. Look at a lot of the YouTube comments and it is clear many unwell guys don't know its a joke. On the other hand the dumber the world gets, the relatively smarter I become and trading gets even easier

A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe is a good read though. I was given it for Christmas back in '94 or '95 I guess, big math and fractal boom back then. Possibly the apex time of such books written for educated people who can read, then come the dumb.

 
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I was thinking about that song I posted (vinyl record playing) on scalpers and thinking "Do flat-Earthers live in fear of the dropping of the great space stylus?". I think a lot of strange things when trying to keep my brain from interfering with a trade. If people knew how much money I make they would understand I need a lot of distracting thoughts

Then I thought.. way too obvious, someone will have... and yep..

I'm not sure how to process this actually existing:



Though it appears he is altering the speed haha

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I was thinking about that song I posted (vinyl record playing) on scalpers and thinking "Do flat-Earthers live in fear of the dropping of the great space stylus?". I think a lot of strange things when trying to keep my brain from interfering with a trade. If people knew how much money I make they would understand I need a lot of distracting thoughts

Then I thought.. way too obvious, someone will have... and yep..

I'm not sure how to process this actually existing:



Though it appears he is altering the speed haha

love it




It's alway curious to see what happens when you spin a ball soaked in water and realize again and again that the darn water just can't seem to stay on that ball for some weird reason!
It just flies all over the place. Imagine ? Where is that darn Gravity and NASA when you need them ?

lol, instead we flat earthers are interested in that extra-land where those lovely extra-terrestrials live at




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It's alway curious to see what happens when you spin a ball soaked in water and realize again and again that the darn water just can't seem to stay on that ball for some weird reason!
It just flies all over the place. Imagine ? Where is that darn Gravity and NASA when you need them ?

lol, instead we flat earthers are interested in that extra-land where those lovely extra-terrestrials live at

I'm afraid that video is 14 minutes long and playing it would only encourage the maker to regurgitate more click-bait (he could get money, buy food and continue to live etc. etc.) and the internet is already too full of cute kitten hairballs, I feel these are more important.

However next year hopefully I will have my new light sports plane (I need to re-qualify first bla bla even have boring rules in Colombia.. ) and you are invited to marvel at how water forms a sphere as we dive to the Earth.

Ok, yeah, surface tension not gravity at that scale and we'll probably die anyway in the experiment but totally worth it.

 
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I'm afraid that video is 14 minutes long and playing it would only encourage the maker to regurgitate more click-bait (he could get money, buy food and continue to live etc. etc.) and the internet is already too full of cute kitten hairballs, I feel these are more important.

However next year hopefully I will have my new light sports plane (I need to re-qualify first bla bla even have boring rules in Colombia.. ) and you are invited to marvel at how water forms a sphere as we dive to the Earth.

Ok, yeah, surface tension not gravity at that scale and we'll probably die anyway in the experiment but totally worth it.

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edit: the 5 questions in question "in that little 14min video" would certainly make anyone keep asking questions

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Brian Mullin: BALLS OUT PHYSICS [COMPLETE SERIES]
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Ball's Out Physics Episode 1.0: Planes Flying on a Spinning Ball


Ball's Out Physics Episode 1.1: A Spinning Atmosphere


Ball's Out Physics Episode 1.2: Flying Over the North Pole


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Ball's Out Physics Episode 3.0: Centripetal Force, Gravity, and the Sun


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Ball's Out Physics Episode 5.0: Propulsion in Space


Ball's Out Physics Episode 5.1: Propulsion in a Vacuum Chamber


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Missile expert confirms Flat Earth.

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To believe the earth is a ball and spinning through space, one would have to believe
these representatives of NASA. One would have to trust in what they are saying. Obviously !!

Neil Degrasse Tyson Explains How The Earth's Rotation Affects Football


Adam Steltzner NASA Engineer re: Mars rover press conference.


13 Astronauts: Are Stars More (or Less) Visible in Space?


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Flat Earth-Airplanes magically following the curvature of the ball



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This weekend out of the city we had a rare chance to see the great space bear/sheep/mouse/chupacabra (cabrachupa "sucker-goat" really) beast. Identification seems dependent on the observer's presuppositions on the nature of great space-beasts. I liked it a for a young Arcturan Mega Donkey when it turned it's head, I guess everyone gets that "being watched" feeling.




I had lots of time by the hotel pool so relented and watched @zmaj's 14 minute video below 5 "facts". The presenter's accent is reminiscent of a guy I know from Rockport TX, reasons partly explained.

He speaks gibberish, blingy blangy bib, big numbers! bib baroomm... would have made as much sense to me. There is no point in commenting on the mentioned science & math, an art history paper comparing a fresh cow pat and the Mona Lisa would be more worthwhile, the fallacies are thick, Chewbacca defense etc.. However it does seem clear that the video is a resume/showpiece for becoming a lobbyist, I'd assume the guy is quite active and has other videos. His voice is not melodious so I guess he saw no opportunity in Texas' crowded faith/marketing industry.

This is what is done lately as practice for corporate and Washington lobbyist work, pick something nobody really sees as an issue, raise a stink from nothing and pied piper the participation ribbon wearing Dunning Kruger Krew The '80s Californian born "self-esteem" movement in schools has a lot to answer for, "personal truth" hahaha, a gold seam for people who talk for a living.

Of course you have to show your a bit evil so the part about kids pestering their teachers with stuff he knows he just made up will have his prospective employers giggling their asses off "Thank you for smoking" style.

I was discussing exactly this with a guy who is involved with a Houston megachurch (he was off his head on ayahuasca, aka yagé, in the hotel I was staying in here in Colombia). He had wanted to work the petro lobby crowd as the opportunities to travel are good but he got an opening after working for a Houston lobbyist and got stuck on the prosperity whatever stuff. Grubbing and rooting in moral garbage seems to be an increasingly common way to 'pay the mortgage'. I used to work for Dell so spent time in Texas myself, Austin was ok but wow, some of the guys were from a mirror world where wrong was right.

Anyway I expect that the video maker will be on to things like "How does a hearing aid bill turn into a fight about gun rights?" before long having busted his chops a bit on flat Earth.

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I've asked 5 Americans now and nobody can identify this car. I took the photo recently but have not had a chance to get back and have a closer look.

I am thinking it would make a fun hybrid conversion, 1.6 - 2L modern engine married with electric front wheel drive so 4 WD in total. Perfect for the hills here in Colombia.

Seems quite late 70s/80s looking square lights but an older back?



Edit: maybe a Plymouth Duster from 1970 on?

 
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I've asked 5 Americans now and nobody can identify this car. I took the photo recently but have not had a chance to get back and have a closer look.

I am thinking it would make a fun hybrid conversion, 1.6 - 2L modern engine married with electric front wheel drive so 4 WD in total. Perfect for the hills here in Colombia.

Seems quite late 70s/80s looking square lights but an older back?



Edit: maybe a Plymouth Duster from 1970 on?

HI Rory, it could be a 1968 AMC AMX. Just depends if headlamps are modified. If single headlamps,
could be the AMX vs. AMX II

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HI Rory, it could be a 1968 AMC AMX. Just depends if headlamps are modified. If single headlamps,
could be the AMX vs. AMX II

Cheers, I have an employee who lives not far from it. I'll have him take a closer look.

The rectangular running lights on the Duster are a very good match as is the flat front and wheel arch shape but the single hood inlet does not match (could be modified). It is surprising how much most US cars of the era look exactly the same in the hind quarters.

I'll get another photo tomorrow and update.

 
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As I experienced in uncounted shots and was taught to me by an army ranger master sergeant when I was a lad in 1991. He's not a man you would disagree with at 1500m. If he says Coriolis, don't say Eotvos until out of range

 
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As I experienced in uncounted shots and was taught to me by an army ranger master sergeant when I was a lad in 1991. He's not a man you would disagree with at 1500m. If he says Coriolis, don't say Eotvos until out of range

love the post but naturally i do have a few questions if i may

If the Coriolis is true why does it not affect the airplanes ?

The Navy has a rail gun > able to hit the target @ 100 miles!!!
They also make no adjustment for the curvature or getting affected by any "Coriolis" ?
They actually say nothing about the two. But will still hit the target @ 100 miles.
Why is that you think ?




Is it possible that the sniper's bullet is being affected by the air density ? As oppose to the "rotation" of earth ?



Since i'm still in search for the scientific proof for the rotation of earth, can you please help me find it ??

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@Rory ? What say you, the video is only 11m in length

This video is from 2012 and the narrator asks a very valid question ? Care to comment ?





https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/elegantfigures/2011/10/06/crafting-the-blue-marble/

https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/galileo/gallery/earthmoon-earth.cfm

https://images.nasa.gov/


The video below just takes what the NASA folks are saying and compares it with, what they are saying 7min in length


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Well time is limited as I'm working on another Unidentified.. problem

Venezuela's child malnutrition crisis grows - BBC News

It seems that a country of this Earth full of "adults" with attention seeking disorders elected the trump of attention seeing disorder and "flooded the zone" with total nonsense? I guess if they were hungry they might have other priorities.

Things like above are being missed all over the as they flash for a couple of hours in news and then replaced with what guess who tweeted this hour

Tonight I'm pondering re-tasking a multivitamin supplement project for the homeless here and trying to figure out how to connect with the right people in Venezuela, or if anything can be done at all and the kids just starve a bit more.

As you have done the classic, not answer the point raised but try and overwhelm with endless other matters (the old lawyer discovery trick, send a basketball court of paper eh?) I would just say in any order..

1. Planes are guided by trained men who have a plan to get places in their lives and with little sicks they waggle and override the very small Coriolis and Eotvos effects.
2. No.
3. Is Cliff Clavin of Cheers the source of FE info on advanced military weapons systems perhaps? Find me where someone has published the software code of the Navy's RG targeting computer. Targeting systems are really, really high level military secrets, that is kind of a rule. Anyone who is privy to this and released it on the internet would be figuratively shot (by the lizard people who meet at the top of the Chrysler building). Who is the source?

Now look at this https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60071.0 and find me the place where a FE mental titan actually deals with the OP's question. Seems to end in your a poopy and no fun and silence... cricket?

Ok I'm a miseryguts tonight with the world but I've shot an awful lot of unguided projectiles in my day.

 
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I blame Thomas Dolby for reviving that also of course.




 
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As you have done the classic, not answer the point raised but try and overwhelm with endless other matters (the old lawyer discovery trick, send a basketball court of paper eh?) I would just say in any order..

Sorry, was the point you raised the Coriolis effect ?
I get what NASA is talking about in regards to the Coriolis effect, except then how does one explain the airplane flights.
I myself did talk to many pilots and asked about any curvature corrections being made @ 35,000 feet and the answers are always no!

All i'm doing ( i think ) is asking questions on something that i feel is being taken for granted.
Everyone and their mother and myself included till a short while ago is talking about the earth being a ball.

Except that when i keep asking deeper questions about it, i seem to find no answers except more ridicule for asking questions. As if everyone has been to space, saw the "planet earth" and are making fun of me for not "being in space"
Which to me represents the height of ignorance, to take something at face value without any solid empirical evidence.

Anyways, i will keep asking questions since the empirical science presented on the issue is very weak. Also isn't the point of science, to always keep asking questions ?


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This is new the ISS being questioned at the City Council Meeting





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As I experienced in uncounted shots and was taught to me by an army ranger master sergeant when I was a lad in 1991. He's not a man you would disagree with at 1500m. If he says Coriolis, don't say Eotvos until out of range


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Well time is limited as I'm working on another Unidentified.. problem



As you have done the classic, not answer the point raised but try and overwhelm with endless other matters (the old lawyer discovery trick, send a basketball court of paper eh?) I would just say in any order..

GLOBE EARTH ABSURDITY: CORIOLIS EFFECT - A BULLET IS NOT MOVING WITH A SPINNING EARTH.


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This was very engaging! Anyone knows anything more about this ?





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another classic

https://wheredidthetowersgo.com


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The Government always knows best!

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Scientists find a link between low intelligence and acceptance of 'pseudo-profound bulls***' | The Independent

"Those who are impressed by wise-sounding quotes are also more likely to believe in conspiracy theories and the paranormal."

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New-Age Bullshit Generator

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@Rory

I love this thread, open forum on "other stuff"


As my humble mind understands it, a theory is only a theory until a fact is/are discovered

And in my opinion the beginner's mind is a wonderful thing.
Without it we would not be able to accomplish much.

We all have to start at the beginning!

Listen, investigate and communicate

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Believe in conspiracy theories? You're probably a narcissist | Daily Mail Online

"Believe in conspiracy theories? You're probably a narcissist: People who doubt the moon landings are more likely to be selfish and attention-seeking"

Hmm.. Seems there may be a narcissist component for the more intelligent conspiracy-theorists. Of course one could only prove that by getting a snotty reply to the previous post.

Kidding aside

I've been pondering this whole thing in the past few weeks as someone who works with me on homeless projects here commented on conspiracy discussions in workshops. Enough that it is causing problems with some who want to talk about nothing else (mostly the teenage boys). We give many re-homed families basic smartphones/tablets as it is essential for many reasons in modern times. Free WiFi is available everywhere in Medellin.

The Alex Jones' of the Latin world are pretty aggressive "performance artists" as Jones described himself in that custody battle. The amount of stuff in Spanish is really surprising.

Well it seems access to the internet brings conspiracy talk on pretty darn fast with some. It/they are like virus' spreading and replicating in human hosts so successfully that the parallels to a biological plague are striking.

There is an interesting Pro/Anti virus debate https://tedxsydney.com/idea/how-ideas-spread-debating-the-virus-analogy/

 
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@Rory , i sincerely love and appreciate our banter and do wish it continues for times to come.

Regarding the moon landing: i don't know if we went to the moon or not.

But i do know that it is open for questioning. As it should be.

To my beginner's mind the "facts" presented on the case by say NASA and friends are not empirical.
NASA and friends want me to believe in the moon landings.

When i started questioning the moon stuff, all i got out of it out was more questions! Answers simply did not jive.

NASA and friends should not ridicule and keep abusing anyone questioning these things, but help me understand it through empirical proof.
After all aren't we paying for NASA budget of 19 Billion per year ?

If the moon landings really did happen why is it so difficult to prove them ?
A very good place to start questioning for me was: https://apollo17.org/


What can i say, except that I was disappointed plenty by my parents lying to me about a tooth fairy and santa already


As far as the Alex Jones and friends question is concerned: (Controlled opposition comes to mind) Sometimes you really just can't help stupid.
Alex Jones and friends do sincerely place anyone questioning anything in the looney bin! And that is very very sad.
People such as him do not represent "the beginner's mind". Quite the opposite.
And yes he is an entertainer. Time Warner Inc. signs his paycheck.

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@zmaj Why NASA especially? If you need empirical proof, i.e. will only accept things from direct personal experience (that you successfully interpret) it is a very very very very very long list. What about countries you have not been to? Is Colombia real, is Japan? (very long).

Why are you, an adult, suddenly a "beginner"? Most of us stopped being beginners at maybe 10? Then we became more professional about learning when one becomes aware that knowing stuff is important for making a living etc. Bit of a gap there boss? Are you a young kiddie?

When I was a kid my cousins told me that "sometimes the tooth fairly gets drunk and takes an eye by mistake" (a family "meme"). I'd never seen a tooth fairy but I slept with a t-shirt over my eyes until I was 26 to be safe. An author named Terry Pratchett used that line in a book years later.. You might have heard of the Discworld series of novels?

NASA do what they do, they really don't care about your personal knowledge gap as FE-ism is not about reality, it is a veiled justification/proxy for young Earth Creationism for most and they don't want to touch that for sanity/legal/hygiene reasons at the very least. Even Mr. Entertainment Ken Ham (Ken Ham! Kids + mechanical dinosaurs!!) says ok.. that FE BS is going to far now lads, your making us all look bad.

The problem NASA have is simple, 1. NASA is not a person who thinks etc., only corporations are people in the US (now there is some real alternative reality) so it can't want you to do anything but mostly 2. garbage in, garbage out is tricky. NASA's engineers would have to start at elementary school and that is not their thing, at least not the engineer's thing if avoidable. Its regrettable that 3. A lot of the US education system is also pretty crap. I recently won a $1000 bet with a retired US high school math teacher who after 30+? years had never once learned that you can have more that 180 degrees in a triangle. He welshed on the bet of course (that he proposed), no curiosity, no honor, teaching kids = bad.

People who are rushing hither and tither can't learn much as knowing stuff about the life the universe and everything is not all broad strokes. If people discussing something have significantly differing understanding of words you get that old "Babel" problem (Ken would be pleased). So you have a job to separate garbage from garbage using other garbage someone edited down to 1:30 from another video that was 6:00 hours.

I left a very big hint about this on that post a bit back:


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As I experienced in uncounted shots and was taught to me by an army ranger master sergeant when I was a lad in 1991. He's not a man you would disagree with at 1500m. If he says Coriolis, don't say Eotvos until out of range

Shimmer... shimmer.. time travel old memory flashback effect..

Back in the early '90s someone thought it would be a good idea if I was taught how to shoot people and things a long way away and sent me to a place called Fort Polk.

A horrible place with boiling steam instead of air and between the steam, rain. So Rory is thinking about this "Coriolis effect" stuff that his eventually a friend but then mortal enemy master sergeant was going on about that day. I remember well lying in my fetid bunk thinking .. "Whatever the feck it is it is not the "Coriolis effect" that makes a bullet rise or fall depending on East/West shooting, he has the wrong effect". The next day I drew a diagram for him in the dirt with a stick.. it did not go well for me. He was aggressively disinclined to accept he had told everyone the wrong thing for all those years. Funny day I can tell you, now we laugh about it.

So if everyone is a galloping horse and even gun shop guy like in that video I posted with above names the wrong effect, no wonder your a bit confused. And that is just the beginning. Also no wonder that the link (another hint.. Beuller...) to the FE site where some completely fail at the tiny tiny mental hurdle of disentangling Coriolis and Eotvos. Knowing the difference can save lives, ok probably not but it can be the difference between an effect at the pole and more around the equator. Maybe the FE guy was thinking of sending the smart guy on a 10 mile run with no clean water and had no curiosity about the mysterious Eotvos effect.


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Now look at this https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60071.0 and find me the place where a FE mental titan actually deals with the OP's question. Seems to end in your a poopy and no fun and silence... cricket?

I am however flying to a place tomorrow and if you want empirical proof, this is as good as it gets that the world is round (if your a kid). Pereira Airport's flat runway on a curving Earth. Beat that. I'm a bit scared of falling off the edge

Simulation finished. Off to home.


 
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Only rarely are there better substitutes than learning how to spell 'physics' and 'cosmology', then working stuff out with a pencil. A lot of mathematicians got rid of a lot of crap doing that. About 75% of the internet would then disappear, hard disk makers could return to building chairs, folks could relearn how to make eye contact, and the carbon footprint, in fact all hot air problems, would disappear at a stroke.

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@Rory regarding the post#1285



you are familiar with "Allegory of the Cave" ?
A classic commentary on the human condition. A story of open-mindedness and the power of possibility.




you seem to have misinterpreted the "Beginners Mind" reference
An attitude of Mindfulness!



Taking any information @ face value is not very empirical!

I mention NASA cause the very first empirical question for any globe believer is:

How do you prove you live on a globe without NASA ?


Funny enough enough, the common sense tells us all that the earth is flat. Why ?
Because we all experience it as flat everyday.

Now, when someone comes along and says: No, it is not flat it is a ball. We live on a ball!!

Then the most logical thing would be to prove that claim, that we live on the ball, right ?

So, can you prove that you live on the ball, a physical, empirical proof ?

I'm asking, because i can prove in a physical empirical sense that i do live on a flat plane.


Example of other questions needing an empirical answer:

1. How does the water curve and stay on a ball ? Has anyone ever done that anywhere ? Physically kept water on a ball ?
2. How does anything happen in the vacuum of space ? Don't we need air to transmit radio signals and to move air ships ?
3. NASA says that the earth is spinning @ 1,000 mph and that the earth's atmosphere is spinning as well @ 1,000 mph ?

And yet somehow we can experience different winds and currents moving about different directions every day all over the world.
And not to mention the worlds oceans. How is all this water not being affected at all by that 1,000 mph spin ? How come ?

Yes, i'm not as smart as them NASA scientists, but common now, some of these claims are moving toward pseudo-science
Pseudo-science as i recall is the claim that we are unable to substantiate, only theorize.

And yes, gravity is a theory! I looked it up

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Relative motion @zmaj, the air is moving at the same speed as the ground so the airplane has no problem. I can also show you how light and other energies do no require air to pass through like sound does, another question you posted. Relative motion is like when you have a balloon in the car with closed windows and it is not thrown at the back window, it moves with the air in the car. The whole planet is similar as difficult as that may be to picture, I'll do my bestto explain. I have been coming back from my holiday, I saw your post and I will answer in PM once I get a chance.

I PM'd @zt379 last night about offensively ignorant propaganda garbage he posted about the Catholics / the Catholic church. I pointed out that he was beyond the pale for FIO IMO and pretty offensive. I did not report them as it as this is off-topic so sending a PM to advise he was offensive seemed fair. (I kept copies of the removed/edited posts). He responded that he did not intend offense etc etc. Discussing alternative views of the physical world is one thing, trying to bolster a weak hand with shallow faith based persecution accusations is BS.

I PM'd back with an it is ok, etc. before seeing that he had "doubled down" with as bad or worse. He removed the posts that would likely get him banned if reported however it is not really any better now.

His behavior is therefore DISGUSTING IMO. I'm not a liberal or a conservative, I try to see fair as fair and judge things as best I can. We must not exploit free speech dishonestly or allow ourselves to be harmed by fascistic origin rhetoric using the banner of free speech to spread to any mind they can infect.

The mark of an educated mind is being able to entertain an idea without necessarily accepting it etc. But there are limits and spreading rhetoric intended to almost mindlessly harm others is one of those limits.


I'll answer your questions when I get a chance as ignorance peddlers like @zt379 should not go unchecked in my opinion.

 
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