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Why stop there...end welfare. Welfare is nothing more than subsidized living the same as farm subsidies. You can find the "gaming" the welfare system as well as those "gaming" the farm subsidies. Could probably come up with a few more examples as well if I just thought about it a bit more. Now where do you draw the line?

oh yeah...end social security too.

I'm not taking it that far but merely saying we should clean up what we are stuck with.....SS and welfare could never be taken away so let's just make a REAL effort to streamline and clean them up.

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I'm not taking it that far but merely saying we should clean up what we are stuck with.....SS and welfare could never be taken away so let's just make a REAL effort to streamline and clean them up.

I know you aren't...it's just that I don't know how to make a decision to effect one group of people negatively in favor of another group. That's what took me to my last post. I truly believe our government is so screwed up that the only way to fix it is to blow it up so to speak and start over with nothing but the Constitution and Bill of Rights. We'd get closer to fixing things that way than overhauling the existing systems.

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Left is right and right is left


MWinfrey you are missing one key factor in the I prefer far right - left discussion. Far right is a system of absolute authority in one person - eg, sovereign king/dictator and far left is anarchy no government -liberty. The root of the word liberal is latin liber = free. I won't complicate this with the history on this (see French revolution or Hobbes vs Locke ) . To be liberal means a believer in freedom . Now in the US it is twisted into the exact opposite.

Far right is not about liberty but absolutism the most oppressive form of government. Far right is King/Chairman/Caesar Obama - seems to me we are getting pretty close to that already.

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You are missing one key factor in the I prefer far right - left discussion. Far right is a system of absolute authority in one person - eg, sovereign king/dictator and far left is anarchy no government -liberty. The root of the word liberal is latin liber = free. I won't complicate this with the history on this (see French revolution or Hobbes vs Locke ) . To be liberal means a believer in freedom . Now in the US it is twisted into the exact opposite.

Far right is not about liberty but absolutism the most oppressive form of government. Far right is King/Chairman/Caesar Obama - seems to me we are getting pretty close to that already.

understand. i did not define right and left in the context in which you refer to. i am only talking in current times. so if you apply the "correct" definition of left and right then what i refer to as right is really left. let's get that right...

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MWinfrey thanks for your response. I failed to make my point when I reread my post. You however did.

Misappropriation of language thru mass media ( left - right for example ) creates false divides amongst people who agree in principle. The insertion of emotionally charged ultility words like liberal put people in opposing camps while the thieif empties the safe. This is what television does so effectively. Like a computer virus it embeds itself into the operating system of your subconsious- language creates your reality. So while On Wall Street Protesters are called left wing and Tea Party Protesters are called right wing - in fact the semantic divide is a brilliant tactic to separate potential allies. While these two groups may have profound disagreement on some issues they have far more in common with each other than they have with either Washington DC or Wall Street.

The manipulation of language is Orwellian and relentless. If you have Netflix watch the movie 1984. That is terror. (another word that has lost its gravitas)


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It's Orwellian except that there's no Big Brother behind the manipulation, it's systemic. It's interesting, too, how whatever side is currently outside will demonize the current leader, as if replacing him or her with one of their own will make an enormous difference. Instead of using external threats to support a totalitarian system, as in Orwell, we have exaggerated internal threats to make a democratic process seem meaningful.

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Newspeak and American media

External threats and newspeak have always played a major role in manipulating public policy. Our longtime Emmanuel Goldstein ( Osama Bin Laden ) is dead. Now the GOP candidates are beating the war drum about Iran and nuclear weapons.. Terror alert levels and propaganda videos at walmart warning consumers to be on the look out for suspicious behaviour, the TSA checking your underwear, For variety there is Avian Flu, west nile virus, swine flu there is always some monster out there to be afraid of since the creeping communist menace imploded. . War is peace. One time freedom fighters are now deemed insurgents. Prisoners are detainees. Torture is enhanced interrogation. Language is the filter to your reality and it is being manipulated . The system is big brother and it is amorphous, vigilant and threatening and apparently immortal as nothing really changes regardless of the party (in power). Terror. Terror. Say it enough times and it sounds as menacing as the word pizza. BTW. The pentagon public relations department has a bigger budget then the entire State Department does.


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