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Thanks @zer0! Your comments were perfect - just what I was curious about. I guess my post came across as a slight to Peter - which was not my intention. My examples are just the impression I got from the presentation and the active trader article that I think Lornz posted. And, no, I don't blame him one bit - I think its great that he has received notoriety and financial rewards for his ideas - he's obviously a genius. I, for one, do fall into the trap of taking the pronouncements of genius at face value so was just curious about how to weight some of his statements (given that he came across as very confident of his conclusions and methods).

Anyway, I guess I've derailed the thread again. I'll shut up for now.

He served on the CBOT's board of directors for three years., came up with Market Profile, and, maybe more importantly, the Liquidity Data Bank. But he also failed with X-Funds, which, similar to VS, is difficult to grasp at first.

He is a vendor, but, at least how I perceive him, is more about evolving the marketplace than to make a few bucks; He is more a market philosopher than an evil blood-sucking vendor from the netherworld. I think he is quite comfortable now, anyway. I don't agree with all his reflections, but he has given me food for thought in the past (and now). He clearly has some active synapses, perhaps too many (as is evident in the presentation). Like all of his ilk, he is ego-driven. But most that accomplishes anything are just that. In fact, we all are. Nietzsche spoke of the "will to power" being the driving force for all human beings, and I tend to agree. Alas, that is often misunderstood (and bastardized by Ayn Rand, e.g.) to mean power over others -- it might just as well mean control over one's own life.

I agree with the basic philosophy of VS and I have been trading in a similar fashion for years. My focus, however, has been price -- not volume. I will elaborate more in a later post.

The world, and the markets, have become increasingly primitive in recent times. He speaks of going back to a pre-exchange "database" and I agree with that sentiment. I think the good trading books from the beginning of the last century is just as relevant now, and even more than 20 years ago. I actually think the world is in a state of regression and that we're heading back to the Dark Ages. Religion and superstitions are on the rise, people seem to care less about anything outside their immediate surroundings and scientific literacy is declining. We are becoming more technologically advanced and ignorant at the same time. My theory is that there are now so much information available that people become overwhelmed and "shut off". There are so many "facts", that it seems easier to just "believe".

I like to believe that the pendulum will swing back, but the question is when...

I think this article sums it up pretty well:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/14/opinion/sunday/the-elusive-big-idea.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

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@Lornz, its all well and good to quote the new york times, but I think we all know where the real commentary on our times can most reliably be observed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBvIweCIgwk


Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty. - Frank Herbert
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@Lornz, its all well and good to quote the new york times, but I think we all know where the real commentary on our times can most reliably be observed:

Idiocracy - Trailer - YouTube


That movie is both funny and painful to watch. Let's hope it doesn't get that bad...

 
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@Lornz

I have read you mention 'Clean Chart' before. What exactly do you mean by this?

Also, do you use any form of opening range methods to find trades? You mentioned before finding certain things that become obvious once you see them. Where you referring to something in order flow, price patterns within bars, or some type of profile activity?


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@Lornz

I have read you mention 'Clean Chart' before. What exactly do you mean by this?

Also, do you use any form of opening range methods to find trades? You mentioned before finding certain things that become obvious once you see them. Where you referring to something in order flow, price patterns within bars, or some type of profile activity?

I just meant that I don't have indicators or lines on it, I just use it for visual reference. I also try to filter out as much noise as I can.

I will answer your other question in a future post. I intend to write a little about that topic, but not tonight. It's Friday night and you know what that means....


 
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While I don't agree with Ron Paul on everything, I think this interview is really good. Usually these kinds of things are just filled with fluff, it's rare to see some straight talk...


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"Volume Strips" is available, however, you have to be using CTS to use them. You must go through Steven Hawkins, ( Pete's associate), to get set up.

Steven Hawkin's contact info:

hawk0101@hotmail.com

312.360.9466

CTS Futures contact info:

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https://cts.sim.t4login.com/register/?salesman=Tim

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The volume strip application currently interfaces with T4, only ( they will be adding TT by the end of the year). Currently the annual lease is $350(will be going up in the future I believe) which can be paid via pay pal / credit card. There isn't much educational material (1 document covering key strokes of vol. strip and one document going over some of the theory), observation and self discovery will be the best path to success. They don't offer any free trials or an interface for sim trading.


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I have the software, but haven't done much with it yet. My interest in it, so far, is academic. It's always fun/exciting to try something new, particular from someone like Peter. Anyway, I'm sure a few of us will have fun exploring the new world of VS.


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"Volume Strips" is available, however, you have to be using CTS to use them. You have to go through Steven Hawkins, ( Pete's associate), to get set up.

Steven Hawkin's contact info:

hawk0101@hotmail.com

312.360.9466

CTS Futures contact info:

Tim Dare

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https://cts.sim.t4login.com/register/?salesman=Tim

tim@ctsfutures.com
www.ctsfutures.com

The volume strip application currently interfaces with only T4( they will be adding TT by the end of the year). Currently the annual lease is $350(will be going up in the future I believe) which can be paid via pay pal / credit card. There isn't much educational material (1 document covering key strokes of vol. strip and one document going over some of the theory), observation and self discovery will be the best path to success. They don't offer any free trials or an interface for sim trading.


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I just meant that I don't have indicators or lines on it, I just use it for visual reference. I also try to filter out as much noise as I can.

I will answer your other question in a future post. I intend to write a little about that topic, but not tonight. It's Friday night and you know what that means....


Lorn,
We give until the end of the year!!

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I have the software, but haven't done much with it yet. My interest in it, so far, is academic. It's always fun/exciting to try something new, particular from someone like Peter. Anyway, I'm sure a few of us will have fun exploring the new world of VS.

zer0 - did you ever have that meeting with Peter?

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