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BEING A SOVEREIGN, are you a sovereign?

The Benefits Of Being A Sovereign
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There is much to be gained from becoming what you were born to be A Sovereign.

The first thing a Sovereign becomes is immune to law, I.E. statutory, civil and vehicle codes.
You no longer are subject to those laws they just do not apply to you.

You gain the ability to discharge anything in the legal arena of commerce using the laws of that system against the perpetrators that are currently using those laws against you for their gain.

Becoming the Sovereign Citizen you were born to be, which is the master over the legal system rather than the servant you are now as a statutory citizen.

(Note the Capitalization of the letter C)

You were born a Sovereign but it only lasted a few hours or maybe a day at the most before you were illegally brought into the system by contract known as a birth certificate.

That certificate made you a servant to the world we know as the UNITED STATES and the so called American way.
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Discharging your debts by bonds.
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Never having to pay a traffic ticket again if you so choose.
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You cannot be sued in any court in this country.
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Legally eliminate paying income taxes both federal and state.
NOTE: The system will fight you on this to keep control over you even though they know it is legal for you to leave the system.
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Get all the money you have ever paid into the system returned back to you with interest from the IRS. Again they will not willingly return your money.
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Stop paying any more into the IRS, you can legally stop the stealing at the source with your employer.
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The above is an instant and healthy raise in pay.
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You will learn what the correct form(s) are for an American Citizen to use when filing your tax returns.
Plus as a Sovereign you can stop paying altogether.
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You gain the ability to reverse the system back onto the courts or any other government agency and beat the pants off them in a way they cannot escape under common law.
This puts the lawyers and judges on the run from you.
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You already have the ability to contract in an unlimited manner under the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) and with the knowledge gained you will be able to utilize all the codes to your advantage.
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No lengthy legal battles in court over an alleged credit debt. Why?
Because as a Sovereign you are a foreigner to the UNITED STATES and as such they have no jurisdiction over you the living man or woman.
You are under no obligation to answer any summons from their system upon you.
For them to do so is to leave their jurisdiction and enter yours, this is illegal and impossible for them to enter the world of the living because they are just FICTIONS created by the living man to serve the living man.
There can be no right against that which the right depends.
This statement stems back to the creation of this country and was written by the founding fathers.
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Paying off your debts with this program cannot be refused, if a bank refuses your bond, the uniform commercial code states, a debt tendered and refused is a debt discharge to the amount of tender UCC at 3-603(b).
If this were to happen from a bank you can turn them into the US Treasury for sedition against the UNITED STATES,
which they are subject to the jurisdiction of.
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Totally avoid bankruptcy altogether by paying off all your debts no matter what it is with a BOND.
As long as it is with a bank or government system. (No personal debts with friends)
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As a Sovereign you become the living man/woman again. Research this with a judge or attorney by asking them if the system can here the living man.
Tell them that you are not the fiction listed on their papers, but rather you are the living man/woman.
You will be told NO and if you are in a court room situation the case against you will likely be severely disrupted or even dropped altogether.
If you ask this question before any proceedings start they will likely throw the case out of court.

BACKGROUND
You have heard it said that you cannot sue the government, which is because the government or the state is Sovereign.
When you become a Sovereign again you also cannot be sued.
As you may have read elsewhere, BONDS are legal tender under UCC laws for paying off debts.

NOTE: If you are looking for an arbitration award from your credit cards which is usually a lengthy legal battle this is not the program for that.
This is just a cancellation of your debt directly with the bank.
If a bank tries to sue you later they cannot because a Sovereign cannot be sued in any court in the land, they just do not have jurisdiction.
They also cannot sue you later because the UCC laws say that a debt tendered and refused is a debt discharged UCC at 3-603(b)..

It is the doctrine of common law that the Sovereign cannot be sued in his own court without his consent. The Siren, 74 US 152 (1869).
A Sovereign operates strictly in common law and no statutory or civil court has any jurisdiction over the Sovereign.
You are the living breathing man or woman and the fictional legal systems have no jurisdiction over the living man, but you must first know this and use it to stop them from taking from you.

Q: You've listed the benefits - what are the cons?
A: Well that is a good question.

Here goes, The cons are usually that the courts refuse to deal with you once you tell them that you are a living Sovereign rather than a corporate fiction, OOPS that is a benefit isn't it.

There really aren't any cons other than some really bent on keeping you under control type people telling you that Sovereignty is not real and that the system has total control over you.

To further, explain this lets look at the American Indians as a people. The federal government has acknowledged their sovereignty as a matter of fact of law.
The treaties with the Indians state that they do not need a drivers license or a registration on their vehicles, they are not taxable by the federal gov, they are immune to the legal system that you are living under etc.

Now the ORIGINAL constitution of the US (not the incorporated version) also says that all Americans born on the land are Sovereign by God given right.

There is one con that does come to mind and that is that some judges will try to deny someone there Sovereignty in court by making a statement that your Sovereignty is denied by this court.
However most judges will not do that because no man or fictional court can make such a statement to a Sovereign, the reason is because they cannot make a legal determination against your choice of Citizenship,
if they do they can by held liable for going against the Constitution and the intent of the founding fathers.

From time to time, you will run into people that just don't know what Sovereignty is or how to react to you so they will just tell you that you should do as everybody else on some issue at hand.
They just don't understand.
When it comes to the IRS Sovereignty issues can cause some negative threatening letters from them but there are many ways to handle that issue.

We all have the right to become that Sovereign again and that is a matter of law found in the constitution and public policy.
Our founding fathers wanted Americans to live free of the tyranny and control that they fought to get away from.
Therefore, the cons are really very small in comparison to the benefits.


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What does little kids having to fork over $50 for a biz license and police infringing on rights have anything to do with your stated thread title?

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What does little kids having to fork over $50 for a biz license and police infringing on rights have anything to do with your stated thread title?


I just wanted to start the thread,
therefore i posted the first thing that will be leading more into what you think this will become

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I fail to see the point in a rhetoric article such as the one you posted. What is the specific action item(s) I should take away from this?

Every empire or state has eventually fallen due to a corrupt leadership. Even Rome only lasted so long. So statements about the sanctity of the consistution don't really mean anything. All governments are inherently corrupt - its just a matter of degree. As Winston Churchill stated, "it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others that have been tried".

Regarding police power and the power of the state, it is a time proven fact that the populace will put up with a lot because the good outweighs the bad or because there isn't enough collective outrage to reduce personal risk to near zero. A good example of this are the recent riots in England. Rioting grew exponentially as the personal risk/cost approached a significantly low threshold. It helped that most of the rioters had little to lose or felt they had little to lose. If they actually had a compelling reason to riot (like we've seen in some of the Arab spring countries) there is a good chance that the government would have fallen.

Regarding the lemonade stand outrage I'll just say this. There are smarter ways to teach your child to be an entrepreneur these days. Selling lemonade on the street corner is dumb. Is it as dumb as the politics that created these licensing rules? No. But it is still dumb. Smart entrepreneurs look for weakly/non explored opportunities. They don't attempt to participate in an oversaturated market where they can produce no edge. 99% of the time mommy and daddy fund these pointless lemonade stands to live vicariously through their children. This doesn't teach the child to actually embrace the spirit of entrepreneurship.

As far as actually achieving personal sovereignty there are plenty of resources out there on the 5 flags concept (which is what I assume you are inferring). The problem with the 5 flags approach for traders is that the markets are inherently connected. Some novice traders think that if they have an edge that they are immune from the fluctuations in the markets and that no government can touch them. Nothing could be further from the truth. The markets make us all interconnected. Western governments could impose a lethal transaction tax across all of the major marketspaces. If a major superpower like the U.S. were to fall into chaos the markets would never be the same and many small traders would never recover (or perhaps never regain access to adequately liquid markets). Even if a trader were to acquire a vast sum of personal wealth, follow 5 flags religiously, and live out of a suitcase, they are not immune to the rest of the world and its problems.

Since we cannot hide from the world and its problems my suggested action item would be to educate the general public about the benefits of highly liquid markets (which us traders both admire and derive our livelihood from). There is a tremendous amount of bad PR about daytraders, wallstreet, and the markets themselves that is both incomplete and often not true. Small daytraders in particular seem to have no voice and are often derided and demonized in the media. Part of the reason for this is that it is almost impossible to imagine a world without liquid markets. However, the reality is that the current world economy is highly reliant upon these markets and without them we would go back to the economies of a pre-industrial era.


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I fail to see the point in a rhetoric article such as the one you posted. What is the specific action item(s) I should take away from this?

Every empire or state has eventually fallen due to a corrupt leadership. Even Rome only lasted so long. So statements about the sanctity of the consistution don't really mean anything. All governments are inherently corrupt - its just a matter of degree. As Winston Churchill stated, "it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others that have been tried".

Regarding police power and the power of the state, it is a time proven fact that the populace will put up with a lot because the good outweighs the bad or because there isn't enough collective outrage to reduce personal risk to near zero. A good example of this are the recent riots in England. Rioting grew exponentially as the personal risk/cost approached a significantly low threshold. It helped that most of the rioters had little to lose or felt they had little to lose. If they actually had a compelling reason to riot (like we've seen in some of the Arab spring countries) there is a good chance that the government would have fallen.

Regarding the lemonade stand outrage I'll just say this. There are smarter ways to teach your child to be an entrepreneur these days. Selling lemonade on the street corner is dumb. Is it as dumb as the politics that created these licensing rules? No. But it is still dumb. Smart entrepreneurs look for weakly/non explored opportunities. They don't attempt to participate in an oversaturated market where they can produce no edge. 99% of the time mommy and daddy fund these pointless lemonade stands to live vicariously through their children. This doesn't teach the child to actually embrace the spirit of entrepreneurship.


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Now it looks better, the first page that is!

That is the basic concept of this thread!!!

Your comments are most welcomed!!

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Why is so much redacted?

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Why is so much redacted?



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Yep sounds like 5 flags as I mentioned in my last post.

Additional flaws with this plan are as follows:

1) To even consider a 5 flags approach you need to be able to divest all your current business and property interests in your home country and have a completely mobile business. This may not be a huge deal for some but may be a large sticking point for others.

2) To achieve 5 flags you have to renounce citizenship with your home country and have gained citizenship elsewhere. Even if that country has lax laws and even if you don't live there you aren't truely sovereign as you describe it.

3) Good luck getting your money back from the IRS. Name one person who has done this successfully. As far as not paying going forward - you must renounce your citizenship (not an easy process) and you are no longer a legal citizen. Hence under most circumstances you would be able to visit the US for 90 days a year. Major downside for many people.

4) As far as not paying a parking fine good luck with that. Even when one visits another foreign country (which is essentially what you would be doing) you are subject to their laws. They may not be able to seize your money but they can certainly imprison you. Not fun.

5) As far as never being able to declare bankruptcy you have to file your assets in some country or the other. It would be harder for your creditors to come after your money but impossible isn't a word to be used in front of expensive armies of lawyers or the long arm of the Patriot Act. Just ask all the U.S. citizens who tried to hide their money from the IRS in Switzerland and elsewhere.

All of your revised description sounds like a cheesy advert (including the mention of a DVD). If your intention is to sell something here I can tell you my B.S. radar is on high alert. I'm used to snake oil "trading gurus" taking this tact. And although I am no mod I assure you this forum has a low tolerance for that type of thing.

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