BEING A SOVEREIGN, are you a sovereign?

August 30th, 2011, 02:03 PM

Peter2150

Way back read a good definition of reality

Reality isn't the way we wish things are.
Reality isn't the way things out to be
Reality is in fact the way things are.

This read has ideas on how people wish things are: Unfortunately it missing a bunch of reality.

..........our reality is the one that we all created together, together!

And together we can alter it as well.

Obviously our history will keep repeating itself until we are fed up with it, and start creating new choices.

August 30th, 2011, 02:05 PM

I thought reality was how an individual interprets and understands their life experiences. Not, how someone else defines them.

August 31st, 2011, 08:34 AM

Gabriyele

I can talk about this all day long, and i can because i read and do my do dilligence.

It no doubt helps that you just string together rhetorical phrases rather than constructing any actual argument.

August 31st, 2011, 08:49 AM

futuretrader

It no doubt helps that you just string together rhetorical phrases rather than constructing any actual argument.

it no doubt helps to be ignorant.

Do yourself a favor and start reading Tragedy & Hope by Carroll Quigley

August 31st, 2011, 09:00 AM

Gabriyele

it no doubt helps to be ignorant.

Do yourself a favor and start reading Tragedy & Hope by Carroll Quigley

Carroll Quigley, he is one of my favorite past Globalist.

August 31st, 2011, 02:06 PM

There's a TON of crap in the previous posts by the OP, such as no taxes prior to the Federal Reserve. Of COURSE there were taxes prior to the Federal Reserve. They were called Tarriff's in the late 1700's (after the Constitution was drafted and signed), and later the income tax included a property tax which had been in place since 1634. The first Federal income tax was called The Revenue Act and it was implemented in 1861.

Quoting

America prior to the Federal Reserve System had no taxes, period!
And was the most prosperous country in the world, people were happy,
since they were able to actually save and create their life, and enjoy it!!

So now that a SIMPLE google search and click on the first link has proven your statement to be a flat out lie, which proves your due diligence is obviously lacking in fruitful research. Furthermore, the "People" were not happy, i.e. the Civil War which killed millions and ended slavery. This is what made America prosperous. Free labor, i.e. slave labor, has historically been that which has catapulted civilizations to greatness, be it the Romans, Mongols (although they were more conquerors than anything else), Great Britain, and even America.

It seems you are regurgitating that which you read without any actual investigation of your own which is an incredible disservice to your own intelligence as well as to your own journey into this whole "sovereign" ideology. No one who is telling you this info has any care in the world about your fate.

August 31st, 2011, 02:13 PM

Gabriyele

it no doubt helps to be ignorant.

Do yourself a favor and start reading Tragedy & Hope by Carroll Quigley

So instead of constructing an argument you resort to ad hominem attacks and appeals to authority. Shouldn't a sovereign stand on his or her own two feet?

August 31st, 2011, 02:17 PM

While I share most of your views about this thread, I do not welcome name calling on this forum. Keep it civil guys. This is a discussion forum. Discuss! But keep things civil and be on your best behavior. Even the off-topic forum needs some rules...

Mike

DionysusToast

Mike - I am quite suprised you allow this stuff on your board.

Not my post - but the stuff in this thread.

There are people out there that have lost everything through believing this stuff. This is a cult and make no doubt that this thread is about recruiting people into that cult.

Also - anyone believing this stuff is gullible. It is not name calling, it is a statement of fact. Of course, like all good scams it works on the greed of the victim. The OP may well be a scammer or may well be being scammed themselves.

The fact is - you cannot avoid the IRS. It doesn't matter what you declare yourself as, they will come and take your belongings if you do not pay.

@DionysusToast

I agree with Mike about keeping things civil. (I think you also alluded to "idiots" and "fools")

Will this topic is not one I have time to pursue I do believe in people being allowed to share information and ideas.
People who spoke out against the Vietnam war were attacked.
People who spoke out against the illegal invasion of Iraq were attacked.
I watched the 60minutes video - a smear campaign for sure (imho).

I think if your motivations are to help protect people perhaps it would be better to start a separate thread and give some details about your friends. I know the IRS can be brutal and I have heard of people who unfairly lost their homes to the IRS (nothing do do with this thread).
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I know Gabrieyele has generously shared a lot of her trading ideas on this forum and I commend her for it.

I will try to set aside some time to watch the videos on social engineering.

August 31st, 2011, 02:21 PM

futuretrader

So instead of constructing an argument you resort to ad hominem attacks and appeals to authority. Shouldn't a sovereign stand on his or her own two feet?

I am, and i am not here to hold anyone's hand in the process.

And i'm certainly making sure that i only live off what the market gives me.

You live in the UK? .........ever heard of John Harris ?

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an excellent presentation ----> John Harris - It's an illusion Part 1/5 - YouTube

what would be your take on this?

August 31st, 2011, 02:25 PM

JohnnyAustin

There's a TON of crap in the previous posts by the OP, such as no taxes prior to the Federal Reserve. Of COURSE there were taxes prior to the Federal Reserve. They were called Tarriff's in the late 1700's (after the Constitution was drafted and signed), and later the income tax included a property tax which had been in place since 1634. The first Federal income tax was called The Revenue Act and it was implemented in 1861.

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wiki shows income tax starting in 1913
1913 - 2010

Historical marginal income tax rates for Married Filing Jointly at stated income levels. [3]
Year 1913 =1%

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