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BEING A SOVEREIGN, are you a sovereign?

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I am, and i am not here to hold anyone's hand in the process.

And i'm certainly making sure that i only live off what the market gives me.

You live in the UK? .........ever heard of John Harris ?


----> John Harris - It's an illusion Part 1/5 - YouTube

what would be your take on this?


I don't live in any particular country, and I'm no longer in the UK - and I can assure you I don't want or require any hand-holding.

Is John Harris another of your authority figures? I'm still waiting for you to offer a coherent argument for, or even a coherent statement of, your own position.

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I don't live in any particular country, and I'm no longer in the UK - and I can assure you I don't want or require any hand-holding.

Is John Harris another of your authority figures? I'm still waiting for you to offer a coherent argument for, or even a coherent statement of, your own position.

Look, futuretrader, watch the you tube video that i have posted about John Harris and his research.
And we'll talk some more.
And since you don't live in any particular country i'll take it you r pretty familiar with this stuff regardless.

My position should be obvious by now, I did start this thread as my point of view,
no need to confirm anything else.

Live your life the way you'd like to.

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The Federal Reserve System (also known as the Federal Reserve, and informally as the Fed) is the central banking system of the United States. It was created in 1913 with the enactment of the Federal Reserve Act,


some videos
The banking cartel, its supporter (the Fed), and money creation: http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=6507136891691870450%26hl

Fiat money illegal:
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=5232639329002339531

The creation of the American worldwide empire with bribery and CIA: http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=7065205277695921912
(The first part is good - his "solution" the second part I didn't bother with)

i hope the links are still good

Keep your mind in the future, in the now.
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This my opinion

DISCLAIMER: The following is strictly an opinion I have formed from my own research and reflects information I have obtained from a large number of sources. I have personally done nothing more extreme than creating a Gov. approved Nevada Corporation to conduct business with instead of conduction business in my own name.
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The foundation of Personal Freedom is Secrecy. This Secrecy does not include “Failure to Report” that which is required by law to report. It only includes not reporting that which is not required by law to report. Therefore the most Personal Freedom is obtained by arranging your life to be without any legal requirement to report your activities. Easy to say, and not so easy to accomplish, eh? (grin)

The 5 Flags concept is the only effective and legal method of accomplishing ALMOST total Personal Freedom that I am aware of. BUT, I have not seen the proper implementation of this concept on-line. Ownership begets liability, and that is one of the keys to the success of this concept. When one has no ownership and no one knows who you are, one has no legal reporting requirements and any possible whistle blowers cannot report that you have any relationship to anything anywhere to the Gov. for a reward. Success can only come as a result of having control of the 5 Flags entities without ownership of any of them or their agents and functioning as an anonymous agent, both to all of them, and remaining anonymous to them during all transactions involving them. This can legally be done and there are businesses that support this arrangement.

This means that not even your wife/husband can know any of what is considered evidence of the details about this business arraignment. Any possible results of a divorce must be avoided. All communication must be done by encrypted email and/or phones and never include your real name or signature. I will leave it to your imagination as to how this can be accomplished, and I do believe it can be done.

True freedom can only come from not having your name on anything. No paper trail at all. Acceptable freedom can be obtained in spite of the birth certificate, and other records from your life, as long as you do nothing to trigger a lookup on these records. Conduct your life without signing contracts, applications and avoid being arrested or even accused of breaking a law, as a beginning.

Obviously this is not for everyone, and certainly not for me. However, 20 – 30 years ago I am quite certain I would have been more interested in doing something like this, but not now.

It is obvious that one of the keys to this Personal Freedom goal is secrecy. The reason the Gov. has so many reporting requirements is to kill the power that secrecy gives to it's volunteer slaves. Discover how to conduct business and life without reporting anything to anyone and you have discovered the key to freedom. It really is that simple.

Avoid the nonsense of claiming one is immune to and not under the jurisdiction of , or any other such nonsense as is found everywhere on-line. Going to court with any of that nonsense is giving up all secrecy and all of the power secrecy gives to you. To learn more about what does not work, go to
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and select any subject of choice for a couple of million words describing what doesn't work and why it doesn't work.

For an example of some good information available about related Gov. approved stuff, go to
The Sovereign Society

Since I am not going to provide a URL for any Personal Freedom site I might know of, here is what you should be looking for when you are doing your due diligence on this subject.

IMHO, Anyone interested in regaining the thing we call “Personal Freedom from all of the Gov. restrictions to that previous freedom we read about in the history books”, must be completely clear about the following basic concepts.

It is extremely important to ONLY work with people who understand what this "Personal Freedom business" is really all about. If they ask you for your name or other ID, just say goodbye.

There is a tendency for many people interested in pursuing the concept of getting back their personal freedom, to quickly become overwhelmed –mostly because they CANNOT find the information they really need... At least not without paying for it...

It is not because they are stupid. It is because the critical information simply isn’t where they look... Everybody on-line presents only some small bits and pieces of the truth, and it is not always the same truth, as they work from different scenarios, with different solutions... and about 90% of it is obviously just marketing BS and/or an outright SCAM.

NOBODY with a valid strategy in this Personal Freedom industry is so inept that they display in public exactly how their strategies work! And if they do, they don’t survive long. Web pages are also readily available for Gov. agents to check... As are ordinary e-mails... in fact, all e-mails originating from or arriving at a U.S. based server is scanned by the Gov.'s robots. Privacy only exists in the history books for most Americans.

Even though there are totally legal strategies that never do anything illegal, it is still outright stupid to tell the Gov. enemy what weapons are available and how they are to be used! David didn't tell Goliath about his slingshot, did he? And Gov.'s are quick to make new laws and new regulations that make it increasingly more difficult and tricky to avoid its all-encompassing control attempts. If you want your freedom, you have to accept this as a threat to that freedom and learn to conduct your life accordingly.

The really tricky question now becomes, "how does one do the due diligence, when one cannot even check out the people/business before one does business with them?"

Well, you CAN check on them – but you cannot do it in the traditional way by calling BBB or some Gov. supported consumer protection agency. They know NOTHING about foreign businesses... and those the Gov. does know about, are those you will avoid at all costs.

One must first discover what it takes to accomplish the goal and then question the knowledge of the entity who offers any likely solution for an acceptable result for that goal. And again, if you are asked for your name, just say goodbye. Do have an anonymous email address for further communication and possibly for doing business with them, without ever giving up your true ID.

Going 5 Flags means balancing on a very fine edge between taking full advantage of the law and avoidance of crossing the line to what your Gov. will perceive as crime – or at least attempt to nail you on it, as if it were a crime. Let it be no secret that your Gov. certainly does NOT want you to go 5 Flags and avoid the Taxes it would otherwise collect from you!

For that very reason, it wants EVERYTHING REGISTERED and declared– and there went your privacy and asset protection along with the freedom from Tax demands...!

It remains a fact of life that what is known to the Gov. is known also to anyone else who wants to get that knowledge. The Gov. is too big to keep secrets effectively – and it is the first in line to misuse and abuse the information it collects.

Just the fact that over 15% of all Americans have been subject to identity theft should speak for itself when it comes to assessing how "safe" your data in public registries actually is. That’ is exactly where the thieves get all of the information they need for identity theft!

Be clear about the fact that EVERYTHING you can legally do in your own country to maintain control over your belongings is more or less covered by the Gov.'s specifications behind the Tax return – and if you attempt to do anything outside of your country with those same procedures, you will simply end up in the Gov.'s trap! Going 5 Flags is NOT just a matter of moving one's transactions to another country. It is first and foremost a matter of totally changing the way you do business and live your life!

People who suggest that you "just start by setting up a bank account in a foreign country" or “they will set up a trust, and provide the trusty and the bank account” have no clue about the Gov's powers and no clue about U.S. Law... Avoid these people like the plague!

Avoid expatriation. It is unnecessary, and removes a lot of the power of secrecy.

So, be careful about whom you contract to help you in this arena.


I remind anyone looking into any program/offer dealing with this subject to go to
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and check out any rebuttal to your program/offer or idea before going any farther with it.

And I have my fire-suit on, so respond however you see fit, I can handle it. (grin)

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Let's play a game called My Kick-Ass Life!

Imagine that you woke up this morning from a luscious slumber and felt totally stoked about all the cool things that you get to do. Matter of fact, this week is full of awesomeness and you can't wait to jump into your day and get started!

What would you have for breakfast?

Who would you be excited to see?

What are you most looking forward to doing?

You head to work knowing that you will be spending your time totally engrossed in your work, and surrounded by people who are excited by what you bring to the table. You know this is what your meant to be doing....no doubt about it.

How would knowing this feel?

Time flies by, and next thing you know it's time to wrap things up and head out for some fun! You hook up with your peeps and have a blast doing what you do best! It feels good to let your freak flag fly and be yourself!

What would this look like for you?

Your life ROCKS and you're so freaking glad that you decided to take the time, and do the work necessary to break free of that soul sucking pre-packaged life that you were living! Man, that way of life sucked it hard and you feel so

Your life ROCKS and you're so freaking glad that you decided to take the time to do the work necessary to break free of that soul sucking pre-packaged life that you were living!

Man, that way of life sucked it hard and you feel so relieved not to wake up dreading having to go to a crappy job and doing things you don't really care about.

Bask in the juicy goodness of this for a minute.

That was fun!

Want to do it for real?

Leah Shapiro
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http://www.DefytheBox.com

Disclaimer: I have not purchased her product and I am not an affiliate. I simply love and live her attitude. (grin)

My key to this lifestyle/outlook has been a 1917 book "The Master Key System" by Charles Haanel. Available from Amazon or as a free eBook from whitedovebooks in the UK as well as other sources.

I have found that living in the now by the MKS makes the sovereign issue a non-issue to me. Try it, you might like it. (grin)

And for the other traders reading this, I believe the MKS would make a positive difference in your trading, as well as everything else in your life. That is MHO and each of you must form your own opinion for yourself.

When a trader can live in the now, the last trade does not exist, the P/L does not exist, the only thing real is what the bar is telling him/her. Think about that for a few moments... No fear of previous losses, and no greed for a future profit, the only thing in the conscious mind is the reality of what is happening NOW. Tough to do, and I know all of us can do it. (lol)

Edd
Live, Love and Laugh a Lot - (my daily goal since 1978) (grin)

OBTW - I do scalp NQ for about 2 hrs each Mon, Tues and Wed with a 4 day weekend each week, and I do not remember the last time I had a losing day. I totally fly my freak flag during the first 10 - 15 minutes, blink thinking off of a 20 second chart, then I scalp off the one min. chart setups ASAP, using 20 sec. chart for entry/exit, while also watching the 3 min chart for an overall view until the NY lunch hr kicks in and it goes flat, or I feel like I have had enough of a good thing, eh? (grin) To each his own, and that is my own thing to do, eh?

In closing, it occurs to me to say the I am on this site in search of at least one trader/scalper who thinks like I do to share our insights with each other. I use a my own swing lines with too many labels and a couple of ema's for reference. I like the KISS method. I can display fibs and support/resistance near the current price with onchart mouse clicks. I am a javascript junky with my eSignal charts, don't you know, and I like clean looking bar patterns most of the time. And I like to look inside of those bars and see what is going on there, too. (grin)
L8trs....

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thankYOU Edd

I will look her up,....am always ready to expand the knowledge base

have read the books by Haanel, excellent stuff!!

My aim is always to understand the system of rule on this planet,

......and the more i learn the more i learn how little i know!!


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The view of the IRS on "Sovereigns"


While I understand the enthusiasm for escaping the “system”, let’s look at what actually happens (from a tax standpoint) to “Sovereigns” in the United States.

Sourced from the IRS document: The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments - Section I - C.1
The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments - Section I

What follows is directly from the document.
I have placed what I think to be important lines in bold and underlined.
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Quoting 
1. Contention: Taxpayer is not a “citizen” of the United States, thus not subject to the federal income tax laws.

Some individuals argue that they have rejected citizenship in the United States in favor of state citizenship; therefore, they are relieved of their federal income tax obligations. A variation of this argument is that a person is a free born citizen of a particular state and thus was never a citizen of the United States. The underlying theme of these arguments is the same: the person is not a United States citizen and is not subject to federal tax laws because only United States citizens are subject to these laws.

The Law: The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution defines the basis for United States citizenship, stating that “[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” The Fourteenth Amendment therefore establishes simultaneous state and federal citizenship. Claims that individuals are not citizens of the United States but are solely citizens of a sovereign state and not subject to federal taxation have been uniformly rejected by the courts. The IRS issued Revenue Ruling 2007-22, 2007-14 I.R.B. 866, warning taxpayers of the consequences of making this frivolous argument.

In April 2005, a federal district court in Georgia permanently barred Jonathan D. Luman blocking him from selling his “Tax Buster” program that was based on the false theory that customers can avoid paying tax by renouncing their Social Security numbers and becoming sovereign citizens. See http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2005/April/05_tax_190.htm; see also 2005 TNT 93-17 (Apr. 7, 2005).

In September 2006, a federal district court in California permanently barred James L. Tolbert from preparing income tax returns for others, because he promoted a fraudulent tax scheme based on the frivolous theory, among others, that state residents are not liable for federal income tax since they are citizens of the state and not of the United States. Seehttp://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2006/September/06_tax_602.html; see also 2006 TNT 177-31 (Sept. 8, 2006).

In January 2006, Lynn N. Ealy was sentenced in federal district court to 27 months imprisonment for his conviction on three counts of federal income tax evasion and ordered to pay restitution of $84,174 to the IRS. The evidence against Mr. Ealy demonstrated various affirmative acts of evasion, including the fact that he claimed he was not a citizen of the United States and the tax laws were unconstitutional. See 2006 TNT 18-48 (Jan. 12, 2006).

In September 2006, a California federal district court barred James L. Tolbert from preparing federal tax returns. Tolbert promoted a tax avoidance scheme representing, among other things, that residents of California or other states are not liable for federal income tax because they are citizens of California (or other state) and not the United States, and that American citizens working in the United States need not file federal income returns because “compensation for labor” is totally different in meaning and in law from “income.” Seehttp://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2006/September/06_tax_602.html.

In May 2009, a Connecticut federal district court judge granted the government’s motion for a permanent injunction against Deowraj Buddhu and Sunita Buddhu, precluding them from: preparing or assisting in preparing federal tax returns; representing customers before the Internal Revenue Service; owning, working for, or volunteering for tax-return-preparation businesses; and promoting tax-fraud schemes. Sunita Buddhu and her father Deowraj Buddhu had operated a tax return preparation business in which they advised their clients that the IRS does not have authorization or jurisdiction to conduct examination of Connecticut residents’ tax returns. U.S. Judge Bars Two Connecticut Residents from Preparing Federal Tax Returns for Others.

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In many cases, (shown in section C.1 - Relevant Case Law) the court seems to have imposed a monetary penalty in the $5000 dollar range for the “frivolous” arguments.

I spent a chunk of my precious time researching this tonight. I hope that the credible information I've presented helps to save you from wasting any more of your time on the sovereign movement.

Good luck to you!

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