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While I share most of your views about this thread, I do not welcome name calling on this forum. Keep it civil guys. This is a discussion forum. Discuss! But keep things civil and be on your best behavior. Even the off-topic forum needs some rules...

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Mike - I am quite suprised you allow this stuff on your board.

Not my post - but the stuff in this thread.

There are people out there that have lost everything through believing this stuff. This is a cult and make no doubt that this thread is about recruiting people into that cult.

Also - anyone believing this stuff is gullible. It is not name calling, it is a statement of fact. Of course, like all good scams it works on the greed of the victim. The OP may well be a scammer or may well be being scammed themselves.

The fact is - you cannot avoid the IRS. It doesn't matter what you declare yourself as, they will come and take your belongings if you do not pay.

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Like I said, I agree that the stuff in this thread is of no interest to me and is pure science fiction. That said, this is the off-topic section, and I have no need to come into this thread and try to dispute what is being said. I don't have time for that, do you?

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As I have so eloquently wrote earlier.



As a sovereign, do you intend to create and maintain your own infrastructure? (By which I mean not merely transportation, power and communication systems, but also all the various mechanisms for ensuring health, safety, security, etc.)

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I am more afraid of the self-righteous then the wing-nuts. Too bad my opinions of 40 years ago changed to 20 years ago are totally different then today and hopefully different than 20 years from now. I hate change.

Brother Gabriyele if you are back from palates or your mid day nap, go to Phils Gang . He has a show at 3:00 PM eastern. Phil is self promoting but beyond that there are little gems of info on the market.

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Like I said, I agree that the stuff in this thread is of no interest to me and is pure science fiction. That said, this is the off-topic section, and I have no need to come into this thread and try to dispute what is being said. I don't have time for that, do you?

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I hear you.

I guess I just get annoyed when people post stuff that could seriously damage somebodies life.

Like the snake oil salesmen we see in the trading world, promising riches. They take people's money and even worse, people put their hard earned cash on the line to no avail.

As it is with this stuff.

The net potential benefit to anyone reading this is zero.
The net potential loss to anyone reading this is a loss of your house and family.

I know people are naive and you can't protect people. People will make their own mistakes.

Still, I think giving these people airtime, when there is only downside, is a risk not worth taking.

I still love you though....

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ok, moving on!


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I am more afraid of the self-righteous then the wing-nuts. Too bad my opinions of 40 years ago changed to 20 years ago are totally different then today and hopefully different than 20 years from now. I hate change.

Brother Gabriyele if you are back from palates or your mid day nap, go to Phils Gang . He has a show at 3:00 PM eastern. Phil is self promoting but beyond that there are little gems of info on the market.

I agree with you 1000%

ThankYou brother Tiberius!

I have marked the site. Will listen to him a bit later when he goes live.

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As a sovereign, do you intend to create and maintain your own infrastructure? (By which I mean not merely transportation, power and communication systems, but also all the various mechanisms for ensuring health, safety, security, etc.)


My take on being a sovereign is that you make your own bed.
You don't let other people do it for you.
Why is the Queen Elilzabeth a sovereign?
Just because she has a title of the Queen, or is there something more?
What is the meaning of the word sovereign!

You reap what you sow basically.

We live in a commenrical world where the majority of us are being treated as a commodity, a human resource.

By the self-righteous groups that believe have the know-how to tell you what to do,
what to believe in and everything else in the name of your own protection.

I am not saying abandon everything and live on an island
(although that is not such a bad idea when i think about it),

but there ought to be a limit to this madness we call the society!

In order to operate in this commercial world, you first have to have sound money.
Money that is backed by value!
Not the paper note that was printed by the private company and then labeled legal tender by the government.

And that is why it is called the Federal Reserve Note, it belongs to the Fed, NOT The United States Note!

As i have mentioned it earlier, this rabbit whole runs deep, centuries deep.

Being a sovereign, in my opinion, puts everyone on the same playing field.
America prior to the Federal Reserve System had no taxes, period!
And was the most prosperous country in the world, people were happy,
since they were able to actually save and create their life, and enjoy it!!

As oppose to in Europe where you were dependent on your king/queen to tell you what to do!
Americans were born free they were born sovereign.

IRS Taxes came about to pay for the loans that the governemnt is taking from this private bank.
Not one penny of our taxes goes to pay for anything you have just mentioned above.

National debt? What is that ? Have you ever asked yourself that question?
Inflation? What is that? How do you have an inflation?

The Government, any government can print it's own money interest free!! Why they don't do that?
Why is the government choosing instead to pay fees plus interest to the group of private bankers to do it's job?

The constitution of this country certainly says that only silver and gold can be the legal tender.
As our politicians are so hell bent for the constitution, why aren't they listening to it?


The politicians become liable for the money that they would print.

The Federal Reserve is not liable to anyone but it's owners, the people that own the stock in that bank.
And that certainly is not you or myself.
And that is why the politicians like central bankers, since they,
the bankers give them all the paper notes/money/ that they need.

I can talk about this all day long, and i can because i read and do my do dilligence.

And that is all that i'm intending to do with this thread,
make posts on the things i come about in my research.
That is all!


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The ultimate ignorance for myself is the rejection of something I know nothing about and my refusal to investigate!


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Way back read a good definition of reality

Reality isn't the way we wish things are.
Reality isn't the way things out to be
Reality is in fact the way things are.


This read has ideas on how people wish things are: Unfortunately it missing a bunch of reality.

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The reading material for those that choose to do so!



The idea is to never be in dishonor, silence is dishonor, argument is dishonor, asking questions is not dishonor,

asking for facts is not dishonor, opinions of the judge, district attorney or court officer are not facts.

When they use the word State for instance, That is an opinion,

To prove that it is meerly an opinion not based in fact, ......ask yourself this question: "What in fact is a State?"

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