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I like your thread....I'm just waiting for the step by step instructions on getting back all my taxes and social security money....seriously though this is an interesting thread, thanks

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I like your thread....I'm just waiting for the step by step instructions on getting back all my taxes and social security money....seriously though this is an interesting thread, thanks


watch/listen The Strawman Illusion kbit, the post# 31

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This is total nonsense.

I know someone that brought into the above. He went through all the procedures and indeed stopped paying tax.

The end result was the IRS came after him and took his house. Unsurprisingly, his wife left him because of it. He also lost his job too.

Only nutjobs & fruitcakes will buy into this.

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This is total nonsense.

I know someone that brought into the above. He went through all the procedures and indeed stopped paying tax.

The end result was the IRS came after him and took his house. Unsurprisingly, his wife left him because of it. He also lost his job too.

Only nutjobs & fruitcakes will buy into this.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, DionysusToast,

and i'm most certainly happy that I do not share yours!

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, DionysusToast,

and i'm most certainly happy that I do not share yours!

I stated facts.

How far along this process are you yourself? How long have you been 'opted out' of the tax system in the US?

This is presuming that you actually earn money and that the amount you earn (if any) is enough to be taxable...

What you are espousing here has ruined the lives of 2 people I know. They were naive enough to believe it but the reality is you can't opt out of the US tax system if you are in the country.

You need to leave the US AND denounce your citizenship before you can be exempt.

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I stated facts.

How far along this process are you yourself? How long have you been 'opted out' of the tax system in the US?

This is presuming that you actually earn money and that the amount you earn (if any) is enough to be taxable...

What you are espousing here has ruined the lives of 2 people I know. They were naive enough to believe it but the reality is you can't opt out of the US tax system if you are in the country.

You need to leave the US AND denounce your citizenship before you can be exempt.


You have stated the facts, and I haven't refuted what you have said. I would never do that.
For better or for worse this rabbit whole is quite deep.

And for the people that do get to know this information, and plan to act on it ought to truly arm themselves with knowledge,
because your life is changed forever.

I'am truly sorry about your friends.
I myself have a good number of friends as well, and know of many others, that have tried and failed to accomplish the same.

Some with far worse consequences and some with a lot less.

This is not about leaving the American soil.
It is about understanding how the system works, acknowledging the rules of the game that we are all playing.

I'm moving deeper down the rabbit whole, and with everyday i feel better with myself by just knowing.
Your friends are brave to act on what they have learned, unfortunately their timing was not right.
In order to do this correctly, you do have to arm your self with information, and I do mean arm yourself!
Since there is a lot of hogwash noise placed about to lead you astray.

It is very similar to trading.
You have to know when to sell and when to buy and when to just sit and wait.

I wish you well DionysusToast

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Your friends are brave to act on what they have learned, unfortunately their timing was not right.
In order to do this correctly, you do have to arm your self with information, and I do mean arm yourself!
Since there is a lot of hogwash noise placed about to lead you astray.

These people were not brave. They were gullible. You are gullible.

You are claiming here that it is possible to opt out of the system. Still, you have not opted out yourself. You do not know anyone that has successfully opted out.

I know of one person that has opted out of the US system. He gave up his US passport and became a Thai National.

There is nothing you can do whilst on US soil. Nothing at all.

Read all the crackpot websites you like. You are spreading disinformation here. You have not managed to achieve what you say is possible yourself.

You are obviously excited about this - but it's a dead end. It is a total waste of your time and a danger to those who believe you are some sort of expert in these matters when all you are doing is regurgitating nonsense from the internet.

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These people were not brave. They were gullible. You are gullible.

You are claiming here that it is possible to opt out of the system. Still, you have not opted out yourself. You do not know anyone that has successfully opted out.

I know of one person that has opted out of the US system. He gave up his US passport and became a Thai National.

There is nothing you can do whilst on US soil. Nothing at all.

Read all the crackpot websites you like. You are spreading disinformation here. You have not managed to achieve what you say is possible yourself.

You are obviously excited about this - but it's a dead end. It is a total waste of your time and a danger to those who believe you are some sort of expert in these matters when all you are doing is regurgitating nonsense from the internet.


As I have so eloquently wrote earlier.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and i'm happy that i do not share yours.

I am not craming down your throat any of this.
This is simply a door that you don't have to open.

You have expressed your opinion.
So allow me to express mine.

We are both conscientious human beings that are here to learn.

I am certainly not telling you what is nonsense and am not expecting you to tell me what is.
So let me and this thread be.

This thread is for entertainment and curiosity purposes, and i'm not selling or providing any advice.

Enjoy your day!

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