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Yep sounds like 5 flags as I mentioned in my last post.

Additional flaws with this plan are as follows:

1) To even consider a 5 flags approach you need to be able to divest all your current business and property interests in your home country and have a completely mobile business. This may not be a huge deal for some but may be a large sticking point for others.

2) To achieve 5 flags you have to renounce citizenship with your home country and have gained citizenship elsewhere. Even if that country has lax laws and even if you don't live there you aren't truely sovereign as you describe it.

3) Good luck getting your money back from the IRS. Name one person who has done this successfully. As far as not paying going forward - you must renounce your citizenship (not an easy process) and you are no longer a legal citizen. Hence under most circumstances you would be able to visit the US for 90 days a year. Major downside for many people.

4) As far as not paying a parking fine good luck with that. Even when one visits another foreign country (which is essentially what you would be doing) you are subject to their laws. They may not be able to seize your money but they can certainly imprison you. Not fun.

5) As far as never being able to declare bankruptcy you have to file your assets in some country or the other. It would be harder for your creditors to come after your money but impossible isn't a word to be used in front of expensive armies of lawyers or the long arm of the Patriot Act. Just ask all the U.S. citizens who tried to hide their money from the IRS in Switzerland and elsewhere.

All of your revised description sounds like a cheesy advert (including the mention of a DVD). If your intention is to sell something here I can tell you my B.S. radar is on high alert. I'm used to snake oil "trading gurus" taking this tact. And although I am no mod I assure you this forum has a low tolerance for that type of thing.


No, nothing to sell, absolutely nothing!
(nor do i really care!!)

And obviously, you have no idea what being a sovereign actually means,
because you most likely have have never heard about the subject before.

......and that is why i have started this thread.

You are about to awake from your comfortable slumber my dear eudamonia.

Perhaps start your questions with understanding the difference between:

The Constitution OF the United States of America

VS

The Constitution FOR the United States of America

How well do you truly understand the power of the written word, an English written word to be exact?

What is the difference between: Traveling VS Driving ?

Have you ever had a chance to read the above mentioned constitutions????

.......and the rabbit whole goes deeper


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So the Constitution, which I've seen at the Smithsonian, is fake and not the original Constitution? Please provide a link to such materials as you stated and not claims of capabilities. How would one know where to get a real copy vs a fake copy?

Also, seen this?
http://www.doj.state.wi.us/absolutenm/templates/template_share.aspx?articleid=1171&zoneid=3

http://www.adl.org/learn/sovereign_movement/list_recent_sovereign_incidents.pdf

Seems to be that most the ideals are radical in nature.

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So the Constitution, which I've seen at the Smithsonian, is fake and not the original Constitution? Please provide a link to such materials as you stated and not claims of capabilities. How would one know where to get a real copy vs a fake copy?

Also, seen this?
http://www.doj.state.wi.us/absolutenm/templates/template_share.aspx?articleid=1171&zoneid=3

http://www.adl.org/learn/sovereign_movement/list_recent_sovereign_incidents.pdf

Seems to be that most the ideals are radical in nature.




Will absolutely do so in given time
This will be a monster thread once everything comes forward.

We live in a world of commerce, and therefore we are given codes in the frame of "LAW" to adhere by them.

The Law of Gravity is the LAW, you can't deny it,
((...well perhaps with Tesla's technology you can, but that would be a whole other thread some other time

What i'm trying to express is that everything in the world of commerce is by contract.
And in the respect of that contract!

You can't call yourself a sovereign for as long as you are UNDER the contract with the government.

A lot of people try to, and those are the ones that you read about in the local newspapers.

I will slowly unwind this thread with time,
and will post the documentation to solidify the contract of understanding

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No, nothing to sell, absolutely nothing!
(nor do i really care!!)

And obviously, you have no idea what being a sovereign actually means,
because you most likely have have never heard about the subject before.

......and that is why i have started this thread.

You are about to awake from your comfortable slumber my dear eudamonia.

Perhaps start your questions with understanding the difference between:

The Constitution OF the United States of America

VS

The Constitution FOR the United States of America

How well do you truly understand the power of the written word, an English written word to be exact?

What is the difference between: Traveling VS Driving ?

Have you ever had a chance to read the above mentioned constitutions????

.......and the rabbit whole goes deeper

Many vendors start with a similar claim. Let's just say I remain skeptical. Your mystical conspiracy theory hogwash adds nothing of value.

I'm not Neo and I won't be waking up in the Matrix. If you can't explain clearly what you mean so that a child could understand it then 1) you are trying to pull the wool over our eyes, 2) you don't know what you are talking about. Perhaps both.

How about providing a concrete example? Sourced facts (if available) are a good way to make a reasoned arguement.

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LOL, I did mention about no sales being involved in here, i'm pretty sure that i have.

The burden of proof is not on my hands eudamonia.

My attempt is to have people respond not react to this thread.
And with that being said, I certainly will not be entertaining you at your request of showing you proof that i can dance.
This information is available widely anywhere to those that want to know.
You just have to do your own research.

And it is just that , an information, what you do with it,........your life, your choice

......the one rule of this game is pretty simple.
(At least in the eyes of the government, any government or anyone else!!)

If you don't know your rights, then you don't have any rights!!

My life is my responsibility, and it is up to me to learn about them.

People will complain about anything they can, except take responsibility for their life!
In all the ways we are programmed that way.

There is a big reason why we live the way that we do,
and it has nothing to do with life being the luck of the draw.

We live our lives by design
Our-own, or somebody else's.
And there is nothing mystical about this

If you can't understand it clearly, as to what I mean by this,
then this thread is simply not your cup of tea and that is all.

A child will not comprehend this, since you can not be a child and play this game.
Therefore I will not be writing it with any children in mind.
The P.R. and the Marketing will do that.
They will explain it so that the children can understand the product they are buying their way into.

(Have I mentioned yet how this is a no sale thread? )

We can always agree to disagree, and that is that.

Either way, I will continue slowly with an input of information in this thread, simply because I choose to

Yes, my dear eudamonia your comments will always be apreciated Thank You!!!


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I can fly, no RLY, I can! I'm not here to sell you the feathers and glue or the airplane, but it can be done. The information is everywhere, so there's no need for me to tell you how I did it...

Here and there I'll provide tidbits of info, like gravity is a theory and how I went about debunking this "theory".

Sorry man, skepticism abounds here when referring to things like how to legally defraud the gov't and fellow citizens.

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I can fly, no RLY, I can! I'm not here to sell you the feathers and glue or the airplane, but it can be done. The information is everywhere, so there's no need for me to tell you how I did it...

Here and there I'll provide tidbits of info, like gravity is a theory and how I went about debunking this "theory".

Sorry man, skepticism abounds here when referring to things like how to legally defraud the gov't and fellow citizens.


Thank you, Johnny Austin now that was a response!

It takes a long while to start understanding how the system works, legally speaking.

For example, do you know how the TV operates, what brings the picture/sound/ and how ?
Or again how about gravity??
What makes it work?
For the most part of the questions like these you don't get it, i don't get it!
But we run it anyways

Yes, there are people that truly want to learn.
And they endeavor in that direction regardless of how others might be feeling about it and about them pursuing it!!

Organized church have claimed for a very long time that the Earth is flat,
and that we have no place in questioning such things.
And that we would be punished if we did so!
And naturally if we do question the status, then we would be are considered the conspiracy nutcases!!

Now, why would they do such a thing?

Who gains in knowledge and knowing, and who does not??

Citizen is a commercial term for a person.

A person (plural: persons or people; from Latin: persona, meaning "mask")

Have you read about the 14th amendement, and how it all started ?

This is far from defrauding, if anything, it is enlightening to know this!
(in my opinion

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http://info.publicintelligence.net/ACTIC-SovereignCitizen.pdf

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remember Galileo Galilei,.....

and what happened to him when he started asking questions about this planets relationship to the Sun

What did the church do?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_galilei

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The Church put him under house arrest. But asking questions to further science is a far cry from pouring through sometimes and sometimes not legal documents and spreading violence through murder, all just not to get a speeding or parking ticket.

I DO understand how gravity works and how a TV operates, the theory of electricity, etc etc.

What is enlightening to know? Did you find the path to enlightenment?

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