Ron Paul for President 2012 - Why / why not? - Off-Topic | futures io social day trading
futures io futures trading


Ron Paul for President 2012 - Why / why not?
Updated: Views / Replies:1,888 / 14
Created: by Gary Attachments:0

Welcome to futures io.

(If you already have an account, login at the top of the page)

futures io is the largest futures trading community on the planet, with over 90,000 members. At futures io, our goal has always been and always will be to create a friendly, positive, forward-thinking community where members can openly share and discuss everything the world of trading has to offer. The community is one of the friendliest you will find on any subject, with members going out of their way to help others. Some of the primary differences between futures io and other trading sites revolve around the standards of our community. Those standards include a code of conduct for our members, as well as extremely high standards that govern which partners we do business with, and which products or services we recommend to our members.

At futures io, our focus is on quality education. No hype, gimmicks, or secret sauce. The truth is: trading is hard. To succeed, you need to surround yourself with the right support system, educational content, and trading mentors Ė all of which you can find on futures io, utilizing our social trading environment.

With futures io, you can find honest trading reviews on brokers, trading rooms, indicator packages, trading strategies, and much more. Our trading review process is highly moderated to ensure that only genuine users are allowed, so you donít need to worry about fake reviews.

We are fundamentally different than most other trading sites:
  • We are here to help. Just let us know what you need.
  • We work extremely hard to keep things positive in our community.
  • We do not tolerate rude behavior, trolling, or vendors advertising in posts.
  • We firmly believe in and encourage sharing. The holy grail is within you, we can help you find it.
  • We expect our members to participate and become a part of the community. Help yourself by helping others.

You'll need to register in order to view the content of the threads and start contributing to our community.  It's free and simple.

-- Big Mike, Site Administrator

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 

Ron Paul for President 2012 - Why / why not?

  #1 (permalink)
CL Assassin
Near Dallas, Texas, US
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker/Data: ZenFire
Favorite Futures: CL
 
Gary's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,070 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 504 given, 2,230 received

Ron Paul for President 2012 - Why / why not?

Why should you / should you not be voting for this man for President 2012?

There are many examples of what he is fighting for, but one of the biggest things is the end of the Fed.

Here is a recent story to give you an idea:
Ron Paul On "Debt Ceiling Drama" "We Need To Stop Allowing Secretive Banking Cartels To Endlessly Enslave Us" | zero hedge

So, why shouldn't this man be our next president?

Reply With Quote
The following 3 users say Thank You to Gary for this post:
 
  #2 (permalink)
Fortitudo et Honor
Austin, TX
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: TradeStation
Favorite Futures: Futures
 
Posts: 882 since Mar 2011
Thanks: 128 given, 703 received


Gary View Post
Why should you / should you not be voting for this man for President 2012?

There are many examples of what he is fighting for, but one of the biggest things is the end of the Fed.

Here is a recent story to give you an idea:
Ron Paul On "Debt Ceiling Drama" "We Need To Stop Allowing Secretive Banking Cartels To Endlessly Enslave Us" | zero hedge

So, why shouldn't this man be our next president?

I think he's the best candidate (from both parties) but as the article implies, the powers that be do not want a guy like Ron Paul in charge.

Not only that, unfortunately, there hasn't been a President elected outside a major party in the last century. (in fact, I think there's only been 1 technically).

RP is more libertarian than Republican or conservative.

The reason we need a small government libertarian in charge, is because politics is become so devisive, that the only way we're going to all be happy is if we shift the operable level of government BACK to the states and give people options. (imagine that, the founding fathers were probably onto something when they intended a small Federal government).

If we had states governing, there's TONS of advantages. But people fear the idea because it brings back visions of segregation and race discrimination.

State governments would give people the option to pick their poison. If you want to live in a conservative state, then you can move there. If you want to live in a liberal state, then you can move there. If you want to live in a pro-business/market libertarian state...you get the idea.

As it stands now, 50% of the people (or more) end up really pissed off because the Federal level can't please everyone.

State governments would put governance closer to home, allowing more contact with our elected representatives, reduce corruption, etc, etc.

But this is all fantasy. There's too much money and power in Washington and they want to perpetuate the perception that Democrats and Republicans aren't in bed together, jointly ****ing the American people and enslaving us all.

"A dumb man never learns. A smart man learns from his own failure and success. But a wise man learns from the failure and success of others."
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users say Thank You to RM99 for this post:
 
  #3 (permalink)
Elite Member
Austin, TX
 
Futures Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker/Data: Amp and Zenfire
Favorite Futures: TF
 
JohnnyAustin's Avatar
 
Posts: 362 since Dec 2010
Thanks: 116 given, 433 received


I think the People are not pissed off because the Federal gov't can't please anyone, but instead that they choose to please the lobbyists and bankers while throwing the average American out on the street or in jail when it comes time to pick sides. Those in power will almost always pick the side with money.

How many people did vote for Obama and will again? Did you get the change you can believe in? Why on EARTH did you think you would?

I'm going to vote for Ron Paul again. I'm not in favor of everything he states as he is a big believer in the rights of the individual and virtually no social programs. I believe that there are disadvantaged people who need support from this country, such as veterans thrown on the street, injured in war or otherwise, who need help to become producing and active members of society. I feel a massive reorganization of priorities at the Federal level is absolutely required soon and if it doesn't happen soon there will be major upheaval outside of Washington that would be caused due to the policies and enforcement of policies set forth by DC politico's.

Many thanks to the site and all the contributors. Great source of info.
Reply With Quote
The following user says Thank You to JohnnyAustin for this post:
 
  #4 (permalink)
Fortitudo et Honor
Austin, TX
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: TradeStation
Favorite Futures: Futures
 
Posts: 882 since Mar 2011
Thanks: 128 given, 703 received


JohnnyAustin View Post
I think the People are not pissed off because the Federal gov't can't please anyone, but instead that they choose to please the lobbyists and bankers while throwing the average American out on the street or in jail when it comes time to pick sides. Those in power will almost always pick the side with money.

How many people did vote for Obama and will again? Did you get the change you can believe in? Why on EARTH did you think you would?

I'm going to vote for Ron Paul again. I'm not in favor of everything he states as he is a big believer in the rights of the individual and virtually no social programs. I believe that there are disadvantaged people who need support from this country, such as veterans thrown on the street, injured in war or otherwise, who need help to become producing and active members of society. I feel a massive reorganization of priorities at the Federal level is absolutely required soon and if it doesn't happen soon there will be major upheaval outside of Washington that would be caused due to the policies and enforcement of policies set forth by DC politico's.

Unfortunately, Ron Paul most likely will not make it out of the primaries. He's not hard core on abortion control. (although he could spin his spend less mantra to include any funding for abortion and create a synergy). He's also not really a hardcore anti-gay marriage advocate.

In order to make it out of the Republican primary, unfortunately, you'll have to satisfy both the tea party fiscal conservatives AND the old guard neocon movement, which means you'd better have a bible in your hand and be willing to force others to follow it.

The same concepts are a detriment to Romney. Crazy Christian conservative whackos view Mormons to be slightly above heathens on the piety/righteousness chart.

The one thing I think we could have in our favor is Hillary's ambition. I would not be surprised if she tries to undermine Obama so she can run against the Republican President in 2016. Challengers almost always have a decided advantage now over incumbents....it's much easier to throw **** against a wall and see if it sticks than to prove you've done a good job.

"A dumb man never learns. A smart man learns from his own failure and success. But a wise man learns from the failure and success of others."
Reply With Quote
 
  #5 (permalink)
Membership Revoked
Oslo, Norway
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: CQG, Excel
Favorite Futures: CL
 
Lornz's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,198 since Apr 2010
Thanks: 500 given, 1,235 received

I was living in the US at the time of the debates in 07/08, and it was quite a welcomed change to witness Ron Paul. I do not agree with him on everything, but he is by far the best candidate out there. Not to mention being one of the few (only?) consistent politicians?

Reply With Quote
 
  #6 (permalink)
Fortitudo et Honor
Austin, TX
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: TradeStation
Favorite Futures: Futures
 
Posts: 882 since Mar 2011
Thanks: 128 given, 703 received


Lornz View Post
I was living in the US at the time of the debates in 07/08, and it was quite a welcomed change to witness Ron Paul. I do not agree with him on everything, but he is by far the best candidate out there. Not to mention being one of the few (only?) consistent politicians?

Similarly, I'm not an objectivist. I don't believe in "me first and always" but I do subscribe to some core objectivist values.

What I would say is that everything starts with individual liberty and freedom to choose and from there, people can decide what issues are important to them and how to go about supporting those issues (money and time, etc).

Liberals don't like libertarians because we're fiscally conservative. We're in favor of small government, maximum freedoms, which also come with maximum responsibility.

Libertarians subscribe to the irrefutable fact that any dependence, logically, cannot come without a reduction in freedom.

Liberals would have the government dictate ethics and morality, in much the same manner as conservatives....except conservative dictation usually involves direct restrictions and limitations on what you can do, liberal dictation usually involves robbing you to apply money toward what you should support.

Liberals want to force you to spend more of your money to support the environmentalist policy they deem correct. Liberals want to force you to spend more of your money to support those they deem as "underprivelaged" or "needy." Liberals would choose more regulation, laws and bureacracy (aka big government) over punishment to modify criminal and negative behavior. They'd insist that you pay exorbinent amounts for a criminal justice system that's overwhelmed with costs....recirculation costs, court costs, prison room and board, etc.

Conservatives on the other hand would legislate their brand of morality on everyone. They would force you to observe the holidays and traditions that they observe (or at least keep you from doing anything contrary). They would limit you from drinking, smoking, gambling, prostitution, pornography, anything offensive to the religious sensitivity, etc.......

At the end of the day, if I have to choose.....I can live without frequenting prostitutes. I'm not gay, and although I think the government has no business in marriage (it's a religious institution) I could care less about it.

So when I choose, unfortunately I have to....I choose Republicans....cause even though it pisses me off when I have to drive 5 hours to reach a casino or I can't buy alcohol on Sunday.....it pisses me off way worse to receive my paycheck and look at how much I get robbed.

"A dumb man never learns. A smart man learns from his own failure and success. But a wise man learns from the failure and success of others."
Reply With Quote
The following user says Thank You to RM99 for this post:
 
  #7 (permalink)
Elite Member
Aurora, Il USA
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: TradeStation
Favorite Futures: futures
 
kbit's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,872 since Nov 2010
Thanks: 3,301 given, 3,332 received


Lornz View Post
I was living in the US at the time of the debates in 07/08, and it was quite a welcomed change to witness Ron Paul. I do not agree with him on everything, but he is by far the best candidate out there. Not to mention being one of the few (only?) consistent politicians?

+1

Unfortunately we are surrounded by knuckleheads that want a handsome face and a good line of bullcrap. For the most part people can't think of the long term they only care about "what you can do for me now". Ron Paul offers short term pain for long term gain(except the pain might be quite a few years because of how far off track we are), which democrats in particular could not support. The "takers" which number in the tens of millions would not cut themselves off by voting for Paul either.

Reply With Quote
 
  #8 (permalink)
Fortitudo et Honor
Austin, TX
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: TradeStation
Favorite Futures: Futures
 
Posts: 882 since Mar 2011
Thanks: 128 given, 703 received


kbit View Post
+1

Unfortunately we are surrounded by knuckleheads that want a handsome face and a good line of bullcrap. For the most part people can't think of the long term they only care about "what you can do for me now". Ron Paul offers short term pain for long term gain(except the pain might be quite a few years because of how far off track we are), which democrats in particular could not support. The "takers" which number in the tens of millions would not cut themselves off by voting for Paul either.

The people who have the most to gain from socialist policy are beginning to greatly outnumber those who stand the most to lose under socialist policy.

Ben Franklin said, when the people begin to figure out that they can vote themselves money and benefits, it will be the end of our nation.

I think you're already starting to see some significant pushback though. 13 counties in LA are already trying to push a deal to separate from Commiefornia and create a new state. Rural counties are getting sick of being silenced and trampled upon by urban liberal cess pools like LA and Chicago. The governore of IL was elected and only won 3 counties in IL.

The same concept is playing out in America at large. When you look at a map of blue and red states during an election, it's a bit counterintuitive until you apply population to the outlook.

To some degree, that makes sense.....but in another aspect, what would happen if the "blue" states or counties of each state had to survive on their own?

I submit to you that after a few decades, the blue states would be rife with crime and dispair and rampant poverty and the red states would thrive......

We're already seeing it play out between states like California and Texas, where pro growth tax policies of Texas are attracting companie and intellectual talent from California. Earners are beginning to leave California for sanctuary against unfair taxes, poor school systems, etc.

The opposite is true as well. States like Alabama and Georgia and Arizona are starting to see the fruits of illegal immigration legislation. People are much more likely to immigrate illegally from Central and South America and plant roots where they stand to receive the most governmental support (or the least amount of harrassment and resistance).

Farmers in Alabama are already struggling, but that will pass in time.

What Democrats AND Republicans don't want to talk about is that we're arguing about the 800 lb gorilla (spending and taxes) but the Elephant in the room is quietly standing over everyone at the table and everyone acts like he's not there.

The Elephant in the room is immigration and population. The biggest weakness to any US progressive or entitlement policy is the fact that we're adding more and more consumers on the low end via uneducated, labor level workers who haven't even paid a dime into the system....and we're not keeping up on the provider end.

If you think that roads and schools and parks are crowded now, if you think that smog is a problem and clean drinking water is becoming scarce now, wait until our population increases by 50% over the next 50 years.

We cannot sustain perpetual growth. We don't have enough space, water, land, resources, etc...to simply continually grow forever. During the 18th and 19th centuries, our population was tiny compared to the vast resources available. That ratio is quickly dwindling.

But no one wants to address entitlement reform with respect to population growth (or immigration) as there are too many votes involved and no one wants to piss off the latino vote.

"A dumb man never learns. A smart man learns from his own failure and success. But a wise man learns from the failure and success of others."
Reply With Quote
 
  #9 (permalink)
Urban Samurai
Chicago IL
 
Futures Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Ninja, MT4,TOS, SC, Matlab
Broker/Data: CQG, AMP, MB, DTN
Favorite Futures: E/U, G/U
 
forrestang's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,039 since Jun 2010
Thanks: 226 given, 688 received

I like Ron Paul as he appeals to me as I believe I am mostly Libertarian.

But even still I just don't take him as a serious candidate. He's too old, he's not a good speaker, and let's face it, Looks matter.

I also think Ron needs to learn a little bit of restraint. Unfortunately, to get elected one has to learn how to play politics. Sometimes that means biting your tongue when necessary.

Again..... don't get me wrong. I like Ron Paul, but he's virtually un-electable. Although, if he could make it out of a primary, he and just about any other republican could probably defeat B.O.

Reply With Quote
 
  #10 (permalink)
Elite Member
Honolulu, Hawaii
 
Futures Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker/Data: ATC/TT, AMP/Zen-Fire, AMP/CQG
Favorite Futures: TF
 
bluemele's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,547 since Jun 2010
Thanks: 3,806 given, 2,826 received



RM99 View Post

If you think that roads and schools and parks are crowded now, if you think that smog is a problem and clean drinking water is becoming scarce now, wait until our population increases by 50% over the next 50 years.

We cannot sustain perpetual growth. We don't have enough space, water, land, resources, etc...to simply continually grow forever. During the 18th and 19th centuries, our population was tiny compared to the vast resources available. That ratio is quickly dwindling.

Would we have parks, roads or what have you under your beliefs? I am thinking not right?

Reply With Quote

Reply



futures io > > > Ron Paul for President 2012 - Why / why not?

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



Upcoming Webinars and Events (4:30PM ET unless noted)

Linda Bradford Raschke: Reading The Tape

Elite only

Adam Grimes: TBA

Elite only

NinjaTrader: TBA

January

Ran Aroussi: TBA

Elite only
     

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Anyone heard of Paul Rotter incometrade Traders Hideout 17 March 11th, 2015 01:55 AM
Obama and the Chinese President RM99 News and Current Events 1 August 8th, 2011 12:19 PM
Ron Paul's questions of The Bernanke today RM99 News and Current Events 1 July 13th, 2011 07:57 PM
Putin is going to run for president again kbit News and Current Events 0 May 23rd, 2011 11:12 AM
Ron Paul's response to the Federal Reserve Chairman's Press Conference RM99 Off-Topic 3 April 28th, 2011 03:36 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:29 AM.

Copyright © 2017 by futures io, s.a., Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama, +507 833-9432, info@futures.io
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice.
There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
no new posts
Page generated 2017-12-11 in 0.17 seconds with 19 queries on phoenix via your IP 54.226.227.175