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The problems with the Educational Industrial Complex have the same root causes as those of the Medical Industrial Complex (including the "War on cancer"), the Drug/Banking/Government/Prison complex, and the Military Industrial Complex. All of these corrupt stigmatizations are optimized for maximum return to their controlling elites, not to serve what people ASSUME are their real purpose. They are not accountable to those we like to think they are SUPPOSED to serve.

Completely agree. This is why I think public education is so dangerous. It has been corrupted just like the Medical, Drug, Banking, Prison, and Military-Industrial Complexes (all areas with heavy government involvement). Now we have the Government-Education Complex.

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For the record I agree that Palin is an idiot and her supporters are seriously lacking in good judgement.

I don't care... she meets the one criteria I hold most dear... she's hot ... besides... who listens when women talk anyway...

Is that wrong... should I not have said that...


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I am always amused ....not.....how the most open minded, the most sophisticated, the most educated, are usually the ones that resort to calling those they disagree with names and resort almost immediately to personal attacks. They appear to refuse to have an honest discussion with those they consider their intellectual inferior. The only reason I can come up with is this:

They are afraid the intellectually inferior might actually make some sense along the way and they will be compelled to abandon long held beliefs about things they insist that only they have answers for.

For instance, disagree with Sarah Palin all you want. (By the way, I am one of those idiots that like her....not every thing of course, but I'd choose her over almost everyone out there. I guess that makes me an idiot too and invalidates everything else I have to say....right? After all an idiot about a politician is obviously an idiot about everything else as well....at least thats what we are supposed to believe) But an honest and respectful person would simply acknowledge that Sarah's belief system is different than theirs and respect it. But no, she's an an idiot for no other reason than she thinks something different than the person doing the name calling. Talk about closed mindedness and intellectual dishonesty.

Now lets use me for an example. I think Al Gore is a self serving, pandering hypocrite. Oops, I think I called him a name...oh maybe not, I just described some actions and behaviors. And aren't we all self serving and pandering to some degree? By the way, almost any politician including Sarah Palin could probably at some level be placed in this category. However, Al Gore is certainly not an idiot. Nothing could be further from the truth. He is getting rich off his pandering. I also disagree with virtually all his hypothesis regarding global warming. Still he is not an idiot. He just believes something different than I do. By the way, this is the point where the name calling begins. Those that think I have no idea what I am talking about call me an idiot for not believing in global warming instead of challenging me with facts, they just call me an idiot for not believing the so called experts. This is why I who am a believer in God refuse to call the unbeliever stupid, idiot or some other equally derogatory names. I choose to believe but respect those that do not. Would that I and others like me got this same level of respect from the unbeliever.

Call me stupid if you want but I was around when it was global cooling. That did not happen so then it becomes global warming. No facts existed to support this and now instead of warming or cooling, its called climate change to avoid those embarrassing facts that support a constant warming and cooling cycle that works regardless of what the "experts" say. For those that insist I trust them, that sounds suspiciously like faith.....oops.....I forgot, faith is out of bounds......unless I am somehow forced to worship at the "irrefutable" altar of climate change.....by the way, I have my own reasons why this is such a volatile topic when directed from the climate change believers toward the climate change unbelievers but that is a topic for another day!

I don't care if you believe in climate change, just don't force me to or call me an idiot if I don't. Now that was simple....by the way, I do believe in climate change, the kind that happens naturally over hundreds of years with or without man's interference.

This is fun but will probably get me banned from the forum or at the very least, no one will read my posts anymore.....oh well, its still fun!

One last thing, why is it that the opened minded, sophisticated and well educated are allowed to call those of us who believe in God, don't believe in climate change and think the government really should stay the heck out of our lives all manner of derogatory names but if we reciprocate, we are flamed for engaging in hate mongering? Could someone answer me this?

I am willing to bet not a single person will hit the thanks button or post any kind of statement that even hints at some sort of agreement with me on even a single point in this post. Political correctness strikes again.

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And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them.
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This is the kind of thing that gives Christians of every flavor a bad name. Its no better than radical Muslims insisting that all infidels die.

Better to quote John 3:16.

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I am willing to bet not a single person will hit the thanks button or post any kind of statement that even hints at some sort of agreement with me on even a single point in this post. Political correctness strikes again.

Lost that bet....glad there was no money on it!

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I agree with most of what you said. I think climate change is a hoax. I just think Palin is a fake, a statist, a warmonger, and a tool of the bankers, not a freedom lover or a libertarian of any kind. I think she just latched on to the Tea Party because it was gaining momentum and doesn't actually understand what it is about.


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I am always amused ....not.....how the most open minded, the most sophisticated, the most educated, are usually the ones that resort to calling those they disagree with names and resort almost immediately to personal attacks. They appear to refuse to have an honest discussion with those they consider their intellectual inferior. The only reason I can come up with is this:

They are afraid the intellectually inferior might actually make some sense along the way and they will be compelled to abandon long held beliefs about things they insist that only they have answers for.

For instance, disagree with Sarah Palin all you want. (By the way, I am one of those idiots that like her....not every thing of course, but I'd choose her over almost everyone out there. I guess that makes me an idiot too and invalidates everything else I have to say....right? After all an idiot about a politician is obviously an idiot about everything else as well....at least thats what we are supposed to believe) But an honest and respectful person would simply acknowledge that Sarah's belief system is different than theirs and respect it. But no, she's an an idiot for no other reason than she thinks something different than the person doing the name calling. Talk about closed mindedness and intellectual dishonesty.

Now lets use me for an example. I think Al Gore is a self serving, pandering hypocrite. Oops, I think I called him a name...oh maybe not, I just described some actions and behaviors. And aren't we all self serving and pandering to some degree? By the way, almost any politician including Sarah Palin could probably at some level be placed in this category. However, Al Gore is certainly not an idiot. Nothing could be further from the truth. He is getting rich off his pandering. I also disagree with virtually all his hypothesis regarding global warming. Still he is not an idiot. He just believes something different than I do. By the way, this is the point where the name calling begins. Those that think I have no idea what I am talking about call me an idiot for not believing in global warming instead of challenging me with facts, they just call me an idiot for not believing the so called experts. This is why I who am a believer in God refuse to call the unbeliever stupid, idiot or some other equally derogatory names. I choose to believe but respect those that do not. Would that I and others like me got this same level of respect from the unbeliever.

Call me stupid if you want but I was around when it was global cooling. That did not happen so then it becomes global warming. No facts existed to support this and now instead of warming or cooling, its called climate change to avoid those embarrassing facts that support a constant warming and cooling cycle that works regardless of what the "experts" say. For those that insist I trust them, that sounds suspiciously like faith.....oops.....I forgot, faith is out of bounds......unless I am somehow forced to worship at the "irrefutable" altar of climate change.....by the way, I have my own reasons why this is such a volatile topic when directed from the climate change believers toward the climate change unbelievers but that is a topic for another day!

I don't care if you believe in climate change, just don't force me to or call me an idiot if I don't. Now that was simple....by the way, I do believe in climate change, the kind that happens naturally over hundreds of years with or without man's interference.

This is fun but will probably get me banned from the forum or at the very least, no one will read my posts anymore.....oh well, its still fun!

One last thing, why is it that the opened minded, sophisticated and well educated are allowed to call those of us who believe in God, don't believe in climate change and think the government really should stay the heck out of our lives all manner of derogatory names but if we reciprocate, we are flamed for engaging in hate mongering? Could someone answer me this?

I am willing to bet not a single person will hit the thanks button or post any kind of statement that even hints at some sort of agreement with me on even a single point in this post. Political correctness strikes again.


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Lost that bet....glad there was no money on it!

Did you ever stop and think that the reason nobody would "thank" your post was because nobody agrees with you?

Or perhaps you were setting yourself up for a martyrs persecution complex?.........Thinking that you were being persecuted for "righteousness sake?"

Being a nice guy does not make your beliefs anymore tenable......I think most people were sighing and rolling their eyes and shaking their heads.

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Yes, these are all tough subjects and doubtful we will convince anyone to have a different flavor or opinion.

I have to ask though about facts in that, when were humans on this earth in such a large capacity that had such high CO2 levels? Or is the earth 6,000 years old or whichever belief?

Did Dinosaurs exist, if so, what caused their extinction?

Are the polar caps melting?

Do you believe consuming more oil is for the better of our ecology? Burning or cutting down the rainforests? Killing animals for sake of hunting and 'the game'?

I grew up in the bible belt and had religion shoved down my throat from the beginning. After I lost several of my family members to distinct tragedies, I started to challenge those beliefs and a very young age. Then, I always have and still do feel uncomfortable around religious persons and groups. I have found through my life whether it be my rental units, my business dealings that the people who flock to religion tend to be the most corruptable or the weakest. The people who will sell you anything or do anything to you regardless of the outcome because the LORD says you are a good person and you are showing them the light.

Religion is good, the sheep must follow something, otherwise human beings are way too weak and I believe we would have too much strife and uncertainty. The challenge though is when two major 'religions' collide which has happened for a thousand years.

I have read books on religion, oil, global warming and politics and the interesting thing is what shaped my beliefs and why do I believe this over something else is 'right'? Is it my DNA, 'the devil', chaotic..?


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Yes, these are all tough subjects and doubtful we will convince anyone to have a different flavor or opinion.

I have to ask though about facts in that, when were humans on this earth in such a large capacity that had such high CO2 levels? Or is the earth 6,000 years old or whichever belief?

Did Dinosaurs exist, if so, what caused their extinction?

Are the polar caps melting?

Do you believe consuming more oil is for the better of our ecology? Burning or cutting down the rainforests? Killing animals for sake of hunting and 'the game'?

I grew up in the bible belt and had religion shoved down my throat from the beginning. After I lost several of my family members to distinct tragedies, I started to challenge those beliefs and a very young age. Then, I always have and still do feel uncomfortable around religious persons and groups. I have found through my life whether it be my rental units, my business dealings that the people who flock to religion tend to be the most corruptable or the weakest. The people who will sell you anything or do anything to you regardless of the outcome because the LORD says you are a good person and you are showing them the light.

Religion is good, the sheep must follow something, otherwise human beings are way too weak and I believe we would have too much strife and uncertainty. The challenge though is when two major 'religions' collide which has happened for a thousand years.

I have read books on religion, oil, global warming and politics and the interesting thing is what shaped my beliefs and why do I believe this over something else is 'right'? Is it my DNA, 'the devil', chaotic..?


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Completely agree. This is why I think public education is so dangerous. It has been corrupted just like the Medical, Drug, Banking, Prison, and Military-Industrial Complexes (all areas with heavy government involvement). Now we have the Government-Education Complex.

I think that is exactly backwards. The money that causes the corruption is private money. In a nutshell political apointee government regulators are corrupt because everything they do is with an eye towards landing a plum job in the regulated industry after they leave. The Education complex is a little different than the others and a bit unusual in that the teachers' unions, rather than Corporations, are such big players. But there is plenty of grease from the Banksters (student loans!) and players like for profit colleges. Congress is corrupt because of the campaign contribution shakedown racket. In the exact words of Senator Durbin, "THE BANKS OWN THIS PLACE."

Try telling anyone in Singapore or Finland that public education is no good and see what kind of a reaction you get. In a country with a fundamentally and deeply corrupted Kleptocratic system, privatized education would be just as bad or worse as what we have now. People from Europe and Asia who move here can't understand how public schools can be so bad. Of course the same can be said for our sick care system, etc etc etc.

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