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A showdown is in the works over an anti-patdown law, which the Texas House of Representatives recently approved by a unanimous vote. Texas legislators say the rule is needed because existing laws "let government employees fondle innocent women, children and men."

The Department of Justice has sent a letter to Texas legislative leaders warning that the rule would run counter to federal laws, and could cause the Transportation Security Administration to "cancel any flight or series of flights for which it could not ensure the safety of passengers and crew."

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I blame it all on the TSA. If they hired a bunch of strippers to search the men... guys would be lining up at the airport... even if they weren't flying... and it would save a bunch of us old guys a fortune... they charge too much for that same service down at the Eager Beaver....

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Well, I think we know where the capital of Homophobia is?

I personally want everyone scanned if they are flying with ME. No harm, no foul as long as we don't have to bend over and cough. Then I will most likely walk or swim to where I need to go.

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Hell Yeah.

Pay good money to travel and have yourself, wife and child touched and scanned naked.

The new American way.

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This is one of the few issues I disagree with my fellow Libertarians....

Ask yourself, if they had flights with no security pat downs and flights with, both available, do you think anyone would choose the lesser security?

If I was an airline receptionist and people started whining about being delayed for aircraft maintenance issues I would simply get on the loud speaker and say "everyone who wants to fly on the broken aircraft, please line up to commence boarding now."

No one forces anyone to fly. You have options. You can take a train, a bus, a car, or, better yet, you can buy your own plane.

Commercial flights are akin to public transportation. I'm sure people would LOVE to get on a public bus or train and do all sorts of things (smoke, listen to loud obnoxious music, lay down on the floor and sleep, etc, etc.) but the fact is...there are rules, regulations and ordinances in place for the public good.

People always throw the term "rights" around loosely. This isn't a situation where the government is forcing every person to purchase healthcare. There are several options and alternatives to commercial flights.

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If given the choice and all else being equal (plane make, flight cost/route) - of course many (most) would chose not to have strangers hands on themselves and their families with nude scans to boot.

Flying really isn't that dangerous.

The plane having a mechanical problem has nothing to do with anything.

It's not realistic for even the average rich person (15 mil.+) to BUY A PLANE.

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Good for Texas.

The TSA will not be banning anything. Money talks and in this case TSA walks.

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No Texas backed down immediately so not to violate federal law.

The fact that the foundation of this countries governance has gotten to the point that elected representatives of all levels have lost their legal ability to perform their intended function took a long time for me to come to grips with and it will take much much longer for the country as a whole to realize.

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If given the choice and all else being equal (plane make, flight cost/route) - of course many (most) would chose not to have strangers hands on themselves and their families with nude scans to boot.

Flying really isn't that dangerous.

The plane having a mechanical problem has nothing to do with anything.

It's not realistic for even the average rich person (15 mil.+) to BUY A PLANE.

How are you not embarrassed by saying some of the things you say.

Flying isn't a right. Just like healthcare isn't a right. A right is something that you're born with. The government cannot issue you a right, nor can it take it away.

Just like the PRIVELAGE to drive, or the PRIVELAGE to enter into a legal marriage (in the eyes of the state).

I'm sure there are a lot of folks who don't like wearing seatbelts. There are a lot of folks who don't like to pay car insurance. There are people who literally, don't like removing their veil from their face in order to get a driver's license. But there's nothing in the constitution that guarantees you the "right" to fly without having to undergo security measures.

I personally, WELCOME any measure that makes it safer to fly. Flying isn't that dangerous from a mechanical standpoint, that wasn't my point. You should be embarassed at your comprehension.

My point was that people love to whine and complain sometimes. People in a terminal will moan and complain about the delay, no matter WHAT it is. In my mind, all I'm thinking is....take your time to fix the plane, there's nothing so important that I want to die in a plane crash over.

I agree that having x-rays/scans could pose health issues for some people (especially OCD types). But the TSA gives you the option.

I don't like it any more than the next guy, but at least I understand why they're doing it. You still have AN OPTION. You don't have to fly.

Again, it's PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. If you don't like it, then you can get a netjets membership, buy your own plane, take a bus, drive a car...WHATEVER. The point is, you have options.

Forcing you to buy healthcare isn't an option. Forcing you to use banks (via the Patriot act) isn't an option. FORCING you to get a driver's license or a social security card isn't an option.

I stand by my original logic in that if you truly gave people the option to fly on an airline that had ZERO security checks (and thus zero security nuisance) and flying under the current TSA measures, you'd find virtually no one would fly on the unsecure flights.

I do however agree that not everyone needs to be subjected to these additional pat down measures (or screening). But the ACLU in their altruistic intentions, has ensured that law enforcement agencies cannot use common sense. if they check one, they have to check them all....otherwise some liberal **** face cries racism or discrimination.

4 year old girls are not a security threat. Neither are 90 year old men. In my opinion, if you're Asian, Caucasian, Female, Older than 65, Younger than 12, etc, etc, then there's no "credible" threat as a terrorist and as such, we're wasting time and resources checking those people (just so we can spare the TSA from lawsuits and scrutiny from the ACLU types).

Again, if you don't like being discriminated against, then don't fly. Walk. Ride a bike. Whatever. Buy your own plane.

If none of that works for you, then suck it up like everyone else. I'm all for freedoms and liberties, but honestly, people are whining a LITTLE too much on this issue. This isn't big brother coming into your home or your business or forcing you to do something.

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Does anyone really believe the TSA has made flying safer? It's just another gov'ment brain fart.

It's kinda like when you try to buy a box of Sudafed at the drugstore. They have you fill out a form, check your ID and monitor your purchases so you don't by more than 9 grams a month. Lest you be starting your own Meth Lab.

Meanwhile back in the real world, meth labs are working overtime. I guess they must hire a bunch of folks to stand in line at Walgreens to get enough Sudafed to keep production running.

While the TSA is busy frisking children and old ladies, you know a bunch of jihadists somewhere are laughing themselves silly.

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Flying isn't a right. Just like healthcare isn't a right. A right is something that you're born with. The government cannot issue you a right, nor can it take it away.

Just like the PRIVELAGE to drive, or the PRIVELAGE to enter into a legal marriage (in the eyes of the state).

I'm sure there are a lot of folks who don't like wearing seatbelts. There are a lot of folks who don't like to pay car insurance. There are people who literally, don't like removing their veil from their face in order to get a driver's license. But there's nothing in the constitution that guarantees you the "right" to fly without having to undergo security measures.

I personally, WELCOME any measure that makes it safer to fly. Flying isn't that dangerous from a mechanical standpoint, that wasn't my point. You should be embarassed at your comprehension.

My point was that people love to whine and complain sometimes. People in a terminal will moan and complain about the delay, no matter WHAT it is. In my mind, all I'm thinking is....take your time to fix the plane, there's nothing so important that I want to die in a plane crash over.

I agree that having x-rays/scans could pose health issues for some people (especially OCD types). But the TSA gives you the option.

I don't like it any more than the next guy, but at least I understand why they're doing it. You still have AN OPTION. You don't have to fly.

Again, it's PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. If you don't like it, then you can get a netjets membership, buy your own plane, take a bus, drive a car...WHATEVER. The point is, you have options.

Forcing you to buy healthcare isn't an option. Forcing you to use banks (via the Patriot act) isn't an option. FORCING you to get a driver's license or a social security card isn't an option.

I stand by my original logic in that if you truly gave people the option to fly on an airline that had ZERO security checks (and thus zero security nuisance) and flying under the current TSA measures, you'd find virtually no one would fly on the unsecure flights.

I do however agree that not everyone needs to be subjected to these additional pat down measures (or screening). But the ACLU in their altruistic intentions, has ensured that law enforcement agencies cannot use common sense. if they check one, they have to check them all....otherwise some liberal **** face cries racism or discrimination.

4 year old girls are not a security threat. Neither are 90 year old men. In my opinion, if you're Asian, Caucasian, Female, Older than 65, Younger than 12, etc, etc, then there's no "credible" threat as a terrorist and as such, we're wasting time and resources checking those people (just so we can spare the TSA from lawsuits and scrutiny from the ACLU types).

Again, if you don't like being discriminated against, then don't fly. Walk. Ride a bike. Whatever. Buy your own plane.

If none of that works for you, then suck it up like everyone else. I'm all for freedoms and liberties, but honestly, people are whining a LITTLE too much on this issue. This isn't big brother coming into your home or your business or forcing you to do something.

Airline is not a monopoly, but airport IS a government monopoly. We have no choice. If you have a sick parent that is in a critical condition and living few thousands miles away, you will have no choice buy fly. Sure you can drive, it will only take you days, and very well put yourself and people on the way in danger. What if this parent of yours is living at another continent?

Your logic is flaw. You are saying, if no TSA, then no security. If no TSA, everyone will carry bomb to plane.

You have to understand, there is nothing wrong with the security before TSA. If you don't think the security was not good enough, then hand the airports back to the private sector so they can decide what is the best measure that can generate the most revenue. After all, a non-secure flight is a no-flight.

When TSA move to train (which they are pushing now), then bus, then to public school. You will come back and argument, you have choice. You can drive and walk? You can go private school or home school?

As someone who have served this country, I do not appreciate the TSA.

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Airline is not a monopoly, but airport IS a government monopoly. We have no choice. If you have a sick parent that is in a critical condition and living few thousands miles away, you will have no choice buy fly. Sure you can drive, it will only take you days, and very well put yourself and people on the way in danger. What if this parent of yours is living at another continent?

Your logic is flaw. You are saying, if no TSA, then no security. If no TSA, everyone will carry bomb to plane.

You have to understand, there is nothing wrong with the security before TSA. If you don't think the security was not good enough, then hand the airports back to the private sector so they can decide what is the best measure that can generate the most revenue. After all, a non-secure flight is a no-flight.

When TSA move to train (which they are pushing now), then bus, then to public school. You will come back and argument, you have choice. You can drive and walk? You can go private school or home school?

As someone who have served this country, I do not appreciate the TSA.

At the end of the day, what are you concerned about? Someone 'touching' you, someone seeing you 'naked'? Just curious because I really really really don't get it....

I will stand naked in front of the rest of the world laughing at me if it means my kids are safe... Maybe I will have to do that someday.

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At the end of the day, what are you concerned about? Someone 'touching' you, someone seeing you 'naked'? Just curious because I really really really don't get it....

I will stand naked in front of the rest of the world laughing at me if it means my kids are safe... Maybe I will have to do that someday.

Whoa ... thank you for that &^%$#@ visual... what has been seen cannot be unseen... I need some serious mind bleach ... and for Gawd's Sake man... puleaseeee do not do that in front of the children....

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I will stand naked in front of the rest of the world laughing at me if it means my kids are safe... Maybe I will have to do that someday.

oh, please say it aint so...naked, blue...really?

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the goverment has no right even to be at the airport,airports are privately owned and all airlines are privately owned so why is the goverment there,its a proven fact that private security is cheaper and can do a better job if trained properly.and some of you are comfortable giving up your privacy for security isnt that what all our founding fathers warned us about?...sharky

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the goverment has no right even to be at the airport,airports are privately owned and all airlines are privately owned so why is the goverment there,its a proven fact that private security is cheaper and can do a better job if trained properly.and some of you are comfortable giving up your privacy for security isnt that what all our founding fathers warned us about?...sharky

ps. when you start letting the goverment take they keep on taking and guess what they never give back what they took

Look, I'm a hardcore libertarian....

But in this instance. The government has a vested interest in 2 respects.

1. Interstate commerce. This is a slam dunk. Flights that operate INTRA-state, could be considered outside the government's pervue with respect to the commerce clause. For any flights that are INTER-state or international, the Feds have sufficient power under the commerce clause. This regulates everything from standardization of procedures, dimensions, runway lengths, qualifications for pilots, etc, etc, etc. The Feds basically play judge and referee between the states to ensure fair and orderly commerce.

2. National security. Obviously for international flights, this is an easy concept. But even for domestic inter-state flights, as we saw in 9-11, aircraft can not only be weaponized and pose a threat to people and property, but also used as a direct weapon against the military. The list here goes on and on....customs issues (drugs, money laundering, human trafficking, etc, etc).

The other issue that's at play is the economic impact that an "attack" like 9-11 had on our nation. Just because one person decides "i don't care, I'll take the risk in order to skip the security hassle" there's a common and significant interest from all citizens to ensure flight safety.

Additionally, we're all scrutinizing and criticising policies without the full picture. The TSA gets their information from the DHS, NSA, CIA, etc, for credible and upcoming threats. This is exactly why the TSA puts policies in place for stuff like liquid restrictions, restrictions on nail clippers, knives, restrictions on electronic devices, etc, etc, etc.

I'm sure that everyone would love to do WHATEVER the hell they want. Some people want to smoke on planes. Some people want to get up and walk around on the plane whenever it suits them. Some people would love to talk on cell phones during the flight. Some people would love to stand up and get their overhead luggage while the plane is taxi'ing. Some people would love to take as much cologne, lotion, toothpaste, etc on board as they like.

some people would love to not have to turn on their laptops everytime they go through security. Some people would love to not have to take their shoes, watches, belts, rings, keys, etc off.

The bottom line is that when you ELECT to fly COMMERCIAL, PUBLIC transportation, you set aside your individual wants and desires and follow the rules. Some rules are there for personal safety, some are for orderly execution, some are for national security.

I think the TSA could do a BETTER job. But at the same time, I respect the job they're doing and I respect the FACT that flights are safer WITH their policies, than without them. I respect and acknowledge the fact that I'm risking my life and placing it into others hands when I fly (the pilot, the mechanic, the air traffic controller, the person who screens passengers to ensure they're not on the international watch list, etc, etc, etc.

This isn't a situation where the government is coming into your home and saying "grab your things, you MUST go fly and you MUST do it our way."

You elect to fly. You can live your life without flying. And if you must fly, then suck it up.

Now, in the interim, you can debate the effectiveness of the pat downs and whether or not they actually make things safer, but to argue that the government has no right or precedent to intrude in the affairs of air travel is just incorrect.

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Just so everyone knows...

TSA More Likely to Focus Attention on Passengers Who Complain… About the TSA

CNN reports having obtained a list of some 70 “behavioral indicators” that TSA “behavior detection officers” (an actual term!) use to pinpoint potentially “high risk” passengers. Many of these are telltale signs of stress, fear, and the like. But one that stands out is (in the precise wording used by the TSA):

Very arrogant and expresses contempt against airport passenger procedures.

Ya gotta luv the TSA....

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Look, I'm a hardcore libertarian....
But in this instance. The government has a vested interest in 2 respects.

2 huh, always wanting to make things complicated...simplify, simplify, simplify... 2 word to that...El Al!

You don't have to give up your Freedom & Liberty for Security...just use Common Sense over PC.

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the goverment has no right even to be at the airport,airports are privately owned and all airlines are privately owned so why is the goverment there,its a proven fact that private security is cheaper and can do a better job if trained properly.and some of you are comfortable giving up your privacy for security isnt that what all our founding fathers warned us about?...sharky

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I would agree with you if you had responsible human beings 'responsible for the actions' at the end of the day. But in a world of "I'm a victim and it isn't my fault" and where making another buck over the validity of proper security, then I have to disagree.

Private companies don't always do it better, well, maybe more efficient, but not always more effective. I would not fly if each airport had its own independent security. I would charter.

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No offence, but what an unfortunate portrayal of the American man to give an international audience, particularly on Memorial Day.

Something tells be you aren't Samoan.

If the fear of having to protect your children on a statistically proven safe trip is so acute that you would traumatize them with willingness to participate the past examples of dignity shedding behavior - here is a great site to look at.

http://attackproof.com/

I've had some instruction time from John Perkins only because I happened to meet him locally. Aside from having a great heart - he is one of the best at what he does period - no baloney.

After 9/11 he was hired to train the Federal Air Marshals.

After Pope John Paul was shot he was hired to train his personal bodyguards.

He's trained some of the most highly trained soldiers America produces.

He was Malcolm Forbes personal bodyguard way back. I'll stop with the sales pitch (all true).

Just please don't start accusing other of being untrustworthy, manipulative saboteurs for not pandering to your most particular of emotionally driven delusions. I don't dislike you but it had to be said by someone.

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@RM99 there was nothing libetarian about what you said it sounds more like liberal,...sharky

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No offence, but what an unfortunate portrayal of the American man to give an international audience, particularly on Memorial Day.

Something tells be you aren't Samoan.

If the fear of having to protect your children on a statistically proven safe trip is so acute that you would traumatize them with willingness to participate the past examples of dignity shedding behavior - here is a great site to look at.

http://attackproof.com/

I've had some instruction time from John Perkins only because I happened to meet him locally. Aside from having a great heart - he is one of the best at what he does period - no baloney.

After 9/11 he was hired to train the Federal Air Marshals.

After Pope John Paul was shot he was hired to train his personal bodyguards.

He's trained some of the most highly trained soldiers America produces.

He was Malcolm Forbes personal bodyguard way back. I'll stop with the sales pitch (all true).

Just please don't start accusing other of being untrustworthy, manipulative saboteurs for not pandering to your most particular of emotionally driven delusions. I don't dislike you but it had to be said by someone.

I am guessing that you are talking to me.

I think we are all a little Samoan. I am happy you have found a friend in this guy, but it doesn't change my opinion (my opinion) that corporations should not be in charge of public safety.

Mercenaries ("Contractors") as they call them now, also should not be fighting our wars either. I don't think WE should be fighting our wars.

As per it being Memorial day, I think about my lost brothers on many days more than just this day or Veteran's day. The day is not special to me, but the period in which I found out a friend died is... Or, the day our Politicians decide to start killing is... etc..

Peace is the only way. If only we could all drink the same punch.

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At the end of the day, what are you concerned about? Someone 'touching' you, someone seeing you 'naked'? Just curious because I really really really don't get it....

I will stand naked in front of the rest of the world laughing at me if it means my kids are safe... Maybe I will have to do that someday.

If you are so concern about your security and you are willing to give up liberty, there is already a place for it. It is calls maximum security. You are free to go there any day.

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If you are so concern about your security and you are willing to give up liberty, there is already a place for it. It is calls maximum security. You are free to go there any day.

Really, do I get a free butt raping while I am there.

You guys are funny.

Are you sure you believe in prisons as those are an infringment on our rights? Isn't it hang-em or let em' go?

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If you are so concern about your security and you are willing to give up liberty, there is already a place for it. It is calls maximum security. You are free to go there any day.

You do not have to fly if you don't want to. Or, you can private charter on a smaller airport, or you can get your license to fly. You have choices.... Don't blame others and the government if you can help it. Complaining about it does no good.

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@RM99

Commerce clause and 911 are up in debate.

Commerce clause is loosely define and you can basically put everything under commerce and congresses can have power over it.

As for 9-11, all planes have planned routes. They are regulated. You cannot just take it off the route just because you wanted too. When a plane is off the route, a flag is raise, action will be taken. Communication will send to the pilot. When that doesn't work, fighter jets will be sent. But it did not happened. Why is that?

Even after the first tower got hit, no jet is up in the air, why is that?

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You do not have to fly if you don't want to. Or, you can private charter on a smaller airport, or you can get your license to fly. You have choices.... Don't blame others and the government if you can help it. Complaining about it does no good.

A choice off limit by most people is not a choice.

But for you who want maximum security, you can walk in there any day.

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A reason for appreciating the freedom of being viewed as innocent, until proven guilty by a jury of your peers, is that even if government is all knowing and all good - letting them be all powerful puts you in a pickle if it ever changes.

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@RM99 there was nothing libetarian about what you said it sounds more like liberal,...sharky

I'm a libertarian, probably fair to describe me as a "hardcore" libertarian....but I also have to respect practicality and pragmatism.

Just because I vehemently support the 2nd Amendment, doesn't mean I support allowing guns in schools, even for teachers.

IF I had children, there's no way I'd want even adults to be carrying guns....it's a situation where I truly believe that there are more effective ways of curbing crime at schools.

So even though the idealist in me says that QUALIFIED and PROPERLY TRAINED individuals carrying firearms is a good thing, I question whether or not it's a practical or necessary to allow the government to "regulate" who's capable and qualified to carry a firearm around children.

The same goes with your right to privacy.

Again, this isn't the government telling you that you must get a pat down to operate your own personal vehicle. This isn't the government telling you that you have to get a patdown to operate your own personal aircraft.

This is the government acknowledging there are multiple and legitimate threats to air traffic security on PUBLIC, commercial transportation.

I said it before, all of you (I'm assuming) are operating in the same information shadow that I am....we don't know what threats (to what extent, how many, etc) are out there and what's prompting them to mandate the scans or patdowns. We really don't know the countless number of incidents these scans/pat downs have both uncovered and deterred.

All I know is this.....I, like 99% of other people....would choose a flight that mandated scans/pat downs over an equivalent flight that did not. Anything that makes the flight safer is in my opinion a good thing.

Additionally, it's not as big of a deal as some people are making it out to be. The TSA rep doesn't want to pat you down any more than you want to be patted down.

You could make this same argument for body scanners and pat downs at government buildings.....you could make a thousand equivalent arguments, but again, you're CHOOSING to fly.....no one is forcing you to fly....and no one is forcing you to fly public commercial.

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That's what you (or the government assume). I am sure if JFK has scan/pat down and Network pre Patriot Act security, I am sure Network will get a lot more business.

If you look at the face, ALL the school shot were happened a gun free zone. How the people in a gun free zone defend themselves? When a gun man show up, you going to stop him and pull up a sign "This is a gun free zone" and expect him to go away?

You assumption if gun is allow in school, all adult will be flashing gun in front of student. If drug is legalize, everyone WILL become a drug addicts.

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im just sick of everyone depending on goverment or someone else to protect them,whats wrong with you guys?people have forgot how wonderful americans are and how we where always a nation that lead and stood out above all other nations,we have given so much money and help to other countries without ever asking for it back.we are a nation of leaders,we created the concept of freedom and computers and everything great about the world today is mostley because of americans.have you guys bought into the apologetic bull crap,that we should just shut up and fit in with the rest of the world? i cant beleive what im hearing.the left and the right really has everyone beleiving this propaganda.we are the most beautiful wonderful powerful nation on this planet.we dont follow we lead,be proud of your country and stop being weak and scared,the root of all problems stem from fear.we are gods we fear nothing start acting like it.you will never be awsome traders if you dont stand on your own two feet and just trade,dont accept losing or being weak or less informed then the next trader,and the same applies to being a leader and a American...sharky

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im just sick of everyone depending on goverment or someone else to protect them,whats wrong with you guys?people have forgot how wonderful americans are and how we where always a nation that lead and stood out above all other nations,we have given so much money and help to other countries without ever asking for it back.we are a nation of leaders,we created the concept of freedom and computers and everything great about the world today is mostley because of americans.have you guys bought into the apologetic bull crap,that we should just shut up and fit in with the rest of the world? i cant beleive what im hearing.the left and the right really has everyone beleiving this propaganda.we are the most beautiful wonderful powerful nation on this planet.we dont follow we lead,be proud of your country and stop being weak and scared,the root of all problems stem from fear.we are gods we fear nothing start acting like it.you will never be awsome traders if you dont stand on your own two feet and just trade,dont accept losing or being weak or less informed then the next trader,and the same applies to being a leader and a American...sharky


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im just sick of everyone depending on goverment or someone else to protect them,whats wrong with you guys?people have forgot how wonderful americans are and how we where always a nation that lead and stood out above all other nations,we have given so much money and help to other countries without ever asking for it back.we are a nation of leaders,we created the concept of freedom and computers and everything great about the world today is mostley because of americans.have you guys bought into the apologetic bull crap,that we should just shut up and fit in with the rest of the world? i cant beleive what im hearing.the left and the right really has everyone beleiving this propaganda.we are the most beautiful wonderful powerful nation on this planet.we dont follow we lead,be proud of your country and stop being weak and scared,the root of all problems stem from fear.we are gods we fear nothing start acting like it.you will never be awsome traders if you dont stand on your own two feet and just trade,dont accept losing or being weak or less informed then the next trader,and the same applies to being a leader and a American...sharky

If only everyone shared your beliefs, then I think we would be on the same track. Unfortunately, there are guys who will come to a preschool (with our children) and open up with automatic fire and kill adorable little kids because they can make a statement.

I agree that guns don't kill people, that people kill people, BUT, in today's society of having people run around with guns to feel safe. Honestly, a GUN is not my fear on an airplane. RDX, C-4, etc... Kaboom....

Guns are our right, but I prefer that not everybody have one. I think Australia had it right in getting rid of the guns, but a case in point is where the guy had an illegal gun on a camping trip that killed the salt-water crocodile that was eating a person in the camp site. But, that is natural selection in my opinion.

These are all tough subjects, but all the guys that I know that have guns all scare me. Being ex-special forces, the guys who 'cling' to them are typically the guys who would probably 'need them'.

We all need nuclear missiles right? Ok, agreed, just give Iran the damn things already!!!

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That's what you (or the government assume). I am sure if JFK has scan/pat down and Network pre Patriot Act security, I am sure Network will get a lot more business.

If you look at the face, ALL the school shot were happened a gun free zone. How the people in a gun free zone defend themselves? When a gun man show up, you going to stop him and pull up a sign "This is a gun free zone" and expect him to go away?

You assumption if gun is allow in school, all adult will be flashing gun in front of student. If drug is legalize, everyone WILL become a drug addicts.

No, I'm operating off the knowledge I already have....have you ever been to a large gun show? Just look around? Do you really want those people operating firearms around your children? I'm a huge 2nd Amendment supporter....but I have to admit, going to an average gun show REALLY gives me pause. Your average American nowadays is a moron. Plain and simple. I guess I'm saying that I don't trust that the people operating the guns will be competent enough....not around children. Think of the number of teacher abuses and incidents around the country and think of all the gun related incidents that would ensue.

As far as flights go.....again....people may choose to fly on flights with less security burden, until a report comes out that terrorist are more likely to target those flights....and then it would all come to a screeching halt.

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Nothing says Happy Memorial Day like calling fellow Americans names because they have a different point of view ...

I want everyone to be safe... but that doesn't mean I will overlook the Government doing something unnecessary or just down right stupid.

I think body scanners are a better solution than overly friendly pat downs. The whole outcry started with people seeing their privates on the big screen. Why was that necessary?

With all the software guru's in this country... no one thought to write software that only showed "questionable" items ? They couldn't figure out how NOT to show the body outline?

Or was it because the head of Homeland Security at the time, who was responsible for making the decision on scanners was also a principal in the company that was selected to supply inferior scanners?

This whole brouhaha could have been avoided if it weren't for the corrupt greed of an official backed up by a Congress more interested in showing they were "doing something" as opposed to doing their job.

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No, I'm operating off the knowledge I already have....have you ever been to a large gun show? Just look around? Do you really want those people operating firearms around your children? I'm a huge 2nd Amendment supporter....but I have to admit, going to an average gun show REALLY gives me pause. Your average American nowadays is a moron. Plain and simple. I guess I'm saying that I don't trust that the people operating the guns will be competent enough....not around children. Think of the number of teacher abuses and incidents around the country and think of all the gun related incidents that would ensue.

As far as flights go.....again....people may choose to fly on flights with less security burden, until a report comes out that terrorist are more likely to target those flights....and then it would all come to a screeching halt.

Yah, I think the guys who don't want TSA should just form a separate line. I think when it comes down to it that common sense will prevail after a certain group targets them. I can't believe it is even a discussion point really. Maybe they can shoot their guns against the flames of some C-4 and somehow the pressures will reverse from the pressure of the bullets flying in the millionth of a second. haha...

All because insecurity of being touched or seen naked! Wow... Hard for me to fathom at this point.

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Yah, I think the guys who don't want TSA should just form a separate line. I think when it comes down to it that common sense will prevail after a certain group targets them. I can't believe it is even a discussion point really. Maybe they can shoot their guns against the flames of some C-4 and somehow the pressures will reverse from the pressure of the bullets flying in the millionth of a second. haha...

All because insecurity of being touched or seen naked! Wow... Hard for me to fathom at this point.

Though I agree with your security accessments... I am beginning to get a creepy feeling that you are more than just "OK" with appearing butt nekkid in public...

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well i respect you guys point of view and we can agree to dissagree,thats the beauty of living in a free society we can all beleive whatever we want and still live together as friends...sharky

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Though I agree with your security accessments... I am beginning to get a creepy feeling that you are more than just "OK" with appearing butt nekkid in public...

Give me a 6 pack and I will gladly streak the superbowl!

"GOD" gave us these bodies. They are temporary and immaterial to our spiritual selves. Only EGO places us in that awkward place.

I think I would be considered a good looking very fit person, but honestly I gave up my caring what others care to evaluate a long time ago. I just need to do the best I can and maintain my spaceship while I am on this planet.

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well i respect you guys point of view and we can agree to dissagree,thats the beauty of living in a free society we can all beleive whatever we want and still live together as friends...sharky

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If you are so for the TSA, why just limit to airport and plane? Why not mall, casino, etc. Don't they have more people.

How many people can a plane house? I am sure if someone want to do maximum casualty, a mall or a busy intersection like time square will do a lot more casualty.

It take courage or someone insane to kill another human being. It take more courage to kill yourself. Unless you must and have no other choice, people will not kill themselves unlike they has psychological problem. When you factor this in and you wonder why anyone would do something like this.

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You are in a gun show, of course people are flashing their guns. You act like if guns are allow, everyone would be flashing it. I know it is not the case. There are only a small percentage of people own gun flash it. Most people conceal them.

If you are so anti people carrying gun in an open area, do you accept military/police walking around in the city with rifle? If you say they are the law enforcer, they can do that, but why can citizenship allow to protect themselves?

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I recently took a plane trip and was neither fondled nor xrayed. Sure, it was disappointing, but to know that I may never have the opportunity again is quite disheartening. Add to the list of reasons to hate Texas I guess, what else can you do about it? Just one man's opinion.

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I recently took a plane trip and was neither fondled nor xrayed. Sure, it was disappointing, but to know that I may never have the opportunity again is quite disheartening. Add to the list of reasons to hate Texas I guess, what else can you do about it? Just one man's opinion.

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You are in a gun show, of course people are flashing their guns. You act like if guns are allow, everyone would be flashing it. I know it is not the case. There are only a small percentage of people own gun flash it. Most people conceal them.

If you are so anti people carrying gun in an open area, do you accept military/police walking around in the city with rifle? If you say they are the law enforcer, they can do that, but why can citizenship allow to protect themselves?

But when they are flashing it at you ... numbers are superfluous ... you gotta understand this ain't New York City... it wasn't that long ago that it was legal to drive around Texas drinking beer as long as you weren't already drunk... I'm a gun nut ... but ... at least I have been professionally trained to use them...

It bothers me when I am at a Gun Show and groups of young men indigenous to the neighborhood wearing the same color bandana's are buying dozens of Raven 9mm's .. it bothers me when I see people carrying a loaded firearm and they can't tell you if the safety is on or off , they don't own a cleaning kit and they wonder why I think they should... it bothers me when I read that another child has taken a loaded gun to school ....

In Houston the Police picked up a 12 year old because he was renting guns to the kids at his middle school...


Yes, if everyone was responsible and trustworthy you would have a valid point ... but life don't work that way...

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doom and gloom here.....I see some chitty times coming for this Planet. You can just feel the unheavel on all levels everywhere. Maybe its just a catharsis.....

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doom and gloom here.....I see some chitty times coming for this Planet. You can just feel the unheavel on all levels everywhere. Maybe its just a catharsis.....

Nawww... look at history... things have been worse... the Black Death is estimated to have killed 30% – 60% of Europe's population, reducing the world's population from an estimated 450 million to between 350 and 375 million in 1400.


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But when they are flashing it at you ... numbers are superfluous ... you gotta understand this ain't New York City... it wasn't that long ago that it was legal to drive around Texas drinking beer as long as you weren't already drunk... I'm a gun nut ... but ... at least I have been professionally trained to use them...

It bothers me when I am at a Gun Show and groups of young men indigenous to the neighborhood wearing the same color bandana's are buying dozens of Raven 9mm's .. it bothers me when I see people carrying a loaded firearm and they can't tell you if the safety is on or off , they don't own a cleaning kit and they wonder why I think they should... it bothers me when I read that another child has taken a loaded gun to school ....

In Houston the Police picked up a 12 year old because he was renting guns to the kids at his middle school...


Yes, if everyone was responsible and trustworthy you would have a valid point ... but life don't work that way...

If laws and regulations is the way to go, then yes, you have a valid point, but you are only stripping the right to protect themselves from the law abide citizens. Those who want a gun can always get a gun regulate what laws or regulations put in place.

There are irresponsible people everywhere, in all age group. This is human nature.

It hurt me even more when a gun man run into the no gun school zone, and the no gun zone sign didn't stop him or her.

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If laws and regulations is the way to go, then yes, you have a valid point, but you are only stripping the right to protect themselves from the law abide citizens. Those who want a gun can always get a gun regulate what laws or regulations put in place.

There are irresponsible people everywhere, in all age group. This is human nature.

It hurt me even more when a gun man run into the no gun school zone, and the no gun zone sign didn't stop him or her.


To get a drivers license... they make you pass a written test and driving test ...

Marriage and guns you only have to fill out a form...

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I can tell you that I would rather be in times square when a bomb goes off then in an airplane. The chances of survival I think are significantly better.

We are living in magnificant times! I think people just don't understand how the world works or how it has worked, so they take their own perspective and start to see all the 'issues' and feel ganged up on and overwhelmed.

Quality of life gets better every single day. However, there may be a 50% retracement at some point in the future. If that happens during our lifetimes, then, well, I guess a little bit of bad timing.

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I can tell you that I would rather be in times square when a bomb goes off then in an airplane. The chances of survival I think are significantly better.

We are living in magnificant times! I think people just don't understand how the world works or how it has worked, so they take their own perspective and start to see all the 'issues' and feel ganged up on and overwhelmed.

Quality of life gets better every single day. However, there may be a 50% retracement at some point in the future. If that happens during our lifetimes, then, well, I guess a little bit of bad timing.


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To get a drivers license... they make you pass a written test and driving test ...

Marriage and guns you only have to fill out a form...

I don't know about Texas, but getting a license in NJ is easy. If you can drive a car straight and able to turn, you will get a license

There were 2 accidents Wednesday where cars collided on the ramp going into the GSP. Usually drivers in the right lane see cars coming off the ramp into the parkway will move to the left, but some drivers think it is cool to go from the left lane to the right just to cut off the car coming into the parkway.

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I don't know about Texas, but getting a license in NJ is easy. If you can drive a car straight and able to turn, you will get a license

There were 2 accidents Wednesday where cars collided on the ramp going into the GSP. Usually drivers in the right lane see cars coming off the ramp into the parkway will move to the left, but some drivers think it is cool to go from the left lane to the right just to cut off the car coming into the parkway.


In Texas there would have been a shooting... or a fist fight at the very least...

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well ben franklin said a man that would give up a little freedom for alittle security will end up with neither...sharky

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well ben franklin said a man that would give up a little freedom for alittle security will end up with neither...sharky


Life just works that way... a guy my age married a young stripper.... she thought he had a lot of money.... he thought she would be a lot of comfort..... they were both partly right.... he had a little money... she was a little comfort...

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I suppose TSA didn't pat this "thing" down...what is this world coming too?

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Thanks a lot... for that visual... where's the eye bleach....

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TSA keeps hitting new lows...this one is really in the crapper.

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