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The Truth: NinjaTrader

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I call bs on that. NT never deletes posts that are negative.

If you don't believe me, take this post and put it up on the forums, they won't delete.

I share the pain of you all with NT and the fact is, what's the option? You want to program your own screen? Get real.



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Can you imagine this thread on NTsupport forum

In dreamland I had TS data and stability with NT core - and then I woke up!

Ts is so out of date ( user for 4 years) - I have just closed my account with them.

NT is so touchy you must treat it right.
Small history - no more than 4-5 indicators and not a huge no of charts - it works fine.


Tips for IB users

1. Don't keep upgrading TWS - you won't use the "added features" so why ruin something that is already working. It will work months after. When It doesn't then upgrade to the next one that NT support.

2. C# is very powerful if tricky to learn for us oldies ( 49 and counting). I learnt Easy language and c# is a step up but way way more powerful and there is now a friendly forum called BigMikeTrading that can help you.

3. NT support is VERY limited and should only be used as a last resort.

4.Trading off the chart I find immense.

5. If it all gets too much - post something and find an original smilie!


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I call bs on that. NT never deletes posts that are negative.

If you don't believe me, take this post and put it up on the forums, they won't delete.

I share the pain of you all with NT and the fact is, what's the option? You want to program your own screen? Get real.

You are wrong here.

I've had more than one deleted on the NT forums (usually be Dierk), and Ray contacted me directly on more than one occasion due to all the problems I kept pointing out that they kept ignoring.

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I am not a programmer!!! Therefore, my search for software to assist in automated trading went far and wide. Tried it all...Here's what I eventually found (and I still have not been satisfied to trade live yet):

1. Started with Linnsoft Investor RT. I could program that proprietary software just through logical thought process. Incredibly expansive and adaptable for simple through complex strategies. Fairly priced (a year ago). I backtested 100's of strategies and then wanted to trade live. That's when the deal fell apart. Too complicated (for me) and not ready for prime time IMO.

2. Therfore, next step was NinjaTrader. Difficult for me as a non-programmer to learn the quirks of C# but I persevered. Fine. Had to hire consultants to help me at times. Again, tested 100's of backtesting strategies. BANG! Started crashing. Tried Simultaed trading. BANG. Crash. Tried simple simulated strategy trading. Then wanted to adjust straegy and try a backtest. Quickly crashed. I am a small timer but would not feel safe with an automated strategy on NT6.5. NOT AT ALL.

3. Recently, browsed back to Investor R/T. EXCITED that they are in Beta testing for tie-in to Mirus and Zen-Fire (Rythmic). If this Beta works out, I would recommend the capabilities of this software. Other boards don't seem to like IRT alot but I could not understand why. We'll see if live trading works.

4. While waiting on NT7 and I R/T, I am now thinking that simply using Excel may be the best option. Again, for me...excel is easy to program, has countless help avenues and has a couple of third-party software add-ons (XLQ and Trader-XL) that seem to be "all I could ever need". This would require moving to IB however, but IB has an Excel template all ready.

Just some random experiences of walking through the automated trade jungle as a non-programmer.

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You are wrong here.

I've had more than one deleted on the NT forums (usually be Dierk), and Ray contacted me directly on more than one occasion due to all the problems I kept pointing out that they kept ignoring.

Mike

I find that hard to believe for two reasons.

I never found any of your posts offensive (maybe because they were deleted, lol). But seriously, my posts would have been deleted way before yours.

Anyway, I would wager that if we posted this thread on the board, they wouldn't delete it.

That is good to know and it doesn't suprise me that it was Dierk.

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I call bs on that. NT never deletes posts that are negative.

If you don't believe me, take this post and put it up on the forums, they won't delete.

I share the pain of you all with NT and the fact is, what's the option? You want to program your own screen? Get real.


That is BS!!! I have had neg posts deleted from there forums and been threatened with a ban if I repost it. Derk from Germany did not like what I had to say (did not use any inappropriate language and did not name call either) just stated my opinion. Apperantly he took it personally because it was his post I was referencing. Ray came in and settled it after I complained about the unfair treatment from derk as well as his threats of banning me.

The subject- lol, ninja hanging and freezing . Claimed it could be peoples comps, or their internet. Imagine that, everything except ninja .

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Just to chime in, i haven't read the entire thread but i as well dumped NT https://futures.io/general-discussion/411-why-i-dumped-ninjatrader.html

i came back to it this past weekend just to export data from which i didn't know how to do on tradestation. it took 4 times to have it load w/o crashing after a clean install (i removed it a while ago), and it will still hang if i touch anything.

i have had ZERO problems with tradestation and have found you can do way more in easylanguage than in C# simply because NT limits so much of what you could do with C#. I literally have 100 times the calculations on multiple worksheets in TS and the 16 that im running now on NT makes it use MORE ram than TS.

good to see the NT7 beta is out, however running tradestation side by side NT, NT has no chance of even being a contender regardless of what the version number is.

NT simply doesn't have the budget to make a quality product. Tradestation does.

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...and have found you can do way more in easylanguage than in C# simply because NT limits so much of what you could do with C#

Total Apple-Sauce

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Total Apple-Sauce

i disagree. NT still doesn't support multiple symbols in an indicator which greatly limits pairs trades, and taking measurements of broader markets.

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i disagree. NT still doesn't support multiple symbols in an indicator which greatly limits pairs trades, and taking measurements of broader markets.

In some ways I'm with you on that. If you consider the trade universe to be only relative value or momentum strategies, NT is poor in the relative value department. One of the things I'm hoping (and in my own little way hope to contribute to) is that the new DB structure of NT7 and its new .NET support will facilitate third-party contribution for things other than indicators (relative value tools, risk management tools, etc).

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i disagree. NT still doesn't support multiple symbols in an indicator which greatly limits pairs trades, and taking measurements of broader markets.

NT might or might not support some features, but it does not mean that it can not be done.

I commented on 2 things only:

You can do more with easylanguage than C# - that's totally wrong
NT "limits" the use of C# - totally wrong also.

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