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The Truth: NinjaTrader

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Hi LA -- Do these people use Zen-fire data-feeds. I am in Australia and want to get the ZF data -- extremely rare here...

And.....nice lateral view -- is that yours?

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You should be able to use the Zen-Fire data feed at http://mirusfutures.com/index.htm If not, you can contact them and ask them what Introducing Brokers they or DORMAN have in Australia.

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23 charts, woah.. it doesn't surprise me that TWS can't handle that many. The Java graphics library they use is notoriously bad with memory usage (not to mention ugly). No doubt the skill level of IB coders is partially to blame as well, I found it humorous a few months ago when they updated their chart drawing routines in an effort to make it more efficient and they ended up making it significantly worse

BTW.. it doesn't matter how much ram you have or if you are running a 64bit OS, if the program was written as a 32-bit program the most it can use is 2gb.. and in some cases like .net framework and java programs the limit is even lower.

Thats why you should use largeaddress aware switch if you use ninja on 64bit os.. its a .net option that allows 32bit programs to access more RAM. Mike has a post about it somewhere here..

Also the amount of RAM on your graphics card will not help any with that scenario.



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Thanks for responding, sefstrat .....

I'm having the same problem with TWS. Their charts stall and won't update. Whenever I change a symbol in a chart, it takes a full 2 to 5 minutes to load. Then it stalls there. And when I change symbols in a chart and it FINALLY loads, all of the indicators change colors and my customized chart settings are removed. This is without having NT connected to IB. It's a total joke.

I still have 2.65GB unused RAM running NT, Quotetracker, and TWS at the same time, so it's not a RAM problem. And I have a NEW quad-core and DSL-Extreme at 650bps.

I have maybe 23 charts up at all times. Several of them are mini chart indicators (TICK's, TRIN's, VIX and the main indicies).

I'm wondering if the problem could be with having only 256mb memory on the graphics card. I'm thinking of upgrading to a 1GB graphics card.

I don't have an XP CD, so I can't use a virtual machine. I left XP a long time ago to support other programs I use. I'm looking forward to Windows 7. It might solve the problem.

BTW, I just solved my licensing issue with NT. They gave me a fair deal to compensate for the problem.

Thanks for your suggestions!


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23 charts, woah.. it doesn't surprise me that TWS can't handle that many. The Java graphics library they use is notoriously bad with memory usage (not to mention ugly). No doubt the skill level of IB coders is partially to blame as well, I found it humorous a few months ago when they updated their chart drawing routines in an effort to make it more efficient and they ended up making it significantly worse

BTW.. it doesn't matter how much ram you have or if you are running a 64bit OS, if the program was written as a 32-bit program the most it can use is 2gb.. and in some cases like .net framework and java programs the limit is even lower.

Thats why you should use largeaddress aware switch if you use ninja on 64bit os.. its a .net option that allows 32bit programs to access more RAM. Mike has a post about it somewhere here..

Also the amount of RAM on your graphics card will not help any with that scenario.

Thanks again, Sefstrat. I can see now that it may very well BE RAM. You've been very helpful and I appreciate it.

I've downloaded the current version of the "largeaddress aware switch", but I have a question regarding it. Do I need to acquire Visual Studio to launch it via the original instructions? Or can I simply backup the current NinjaTrader.exe and replace it with the altered "NinjaTrader.exe" switch?

BTW, thank you to those who provided the "largeaddress aware switch". Very, very cool of you!

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You should be able to use the Zen-Fire data feed at Registered Futures Broker. NinjaTrader with Zen-Fire. Online Futures Trading - MIRUS FUTURES. If not, you can contact them and ask them what Introducing Brokers they or DORMAN have in Australia.

Zephyr

Thanks for that info Z - I have just started an account with Mirus -- and I will follow up on your advice..

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Thanks again, Sefstrat. I can see now that it may very well BE RAM. You've been very helpful and I appreciate it.

I've downloaded the current version of the "largeaddress aware switch", but I have a question regarding it. Do I need to acquire Visual Studio to launch it via the original instructions? Or can I simply backup the current NinjaTrader.exe and replace it with the altered "NinjaTrader.exe" switch?

BTW, thank you to those who provided the "largeaddress aware switch". Very, very cool of you!

Zephyr

Just backup (or not) the original .exe, and replace it with the hacked version.

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I joined this forum a week ago to try to find out more about NT. I day trade the ES using TradeStation for charting and NT for manual trade execution, also I use TradeStation for some automated trading, again on ES day trading.

I am a programmer by background (15 years experience) so am interested in technology but not just for the sake of it. I know TradeStation is a dated product but it is stable and has a rich history with huge resources that can be drawn upon as soon as you get a trading idea.

I would like to find out if it is worth the effort in converting my day trading strategy to NT. So far I cannot see any good reason. Am I missing something? Why are you guys so into NT, apart from the fact it is 'new' and different?

We're twins! I use TS for charting and Ninja for the DOM, also professional software developer 15+ years experience.

I have indicators on TS that cannot be ported to Ninja. I'm happy with the combination. I have stock data for TS and I can't get that with Mirus. Most would balk at the extra cost of TS but if you're profitable $200/month is not a big deal.

I think simple is better and the indicators I write myself are really simple, usually just a few lines. Easylanguage, C#, whatever it doesn't matter.

I run Ninja on my Vista machine, similar specs to the OP. It rarely crashes and when it does it's usually because I have too many windows, too much history, too many indicators, and a lot of activity. It does slow down if the market gets really active but that's ok I'm not scalping for ticks. I limit all my charts to 1 day of data and that speeds things up considerably. If I want to look at history I open a new chart, look, then close it when I'm finished.

If it crashes daily then the OP is pushing NT beyond its limits. Either scale back what you do or find something else. I agree with Mike that if I changed I'd look at Multicharts just becaused on the recommendations of Forex traders whom I respect.

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Like this thread

Can you imagine this thread on NTsupport forum

In dreamland I had TS data and stability with NT core - and then I woke up!

Ts is so out of date ( user for 4 years) - I have just closed my account with them.

NT is so touchy you must treat it right.
Small history - no more than 4-5 indicators and not a huge no of charts - it works fine.


Tips for IB users

1. Don't keep upgrading TWS - you won't use the "added features" so why ruin something that is already working. It will work months after. When It doesn't then upgrade to the next one that NT support.

2. C# is very powerful if tricky to learn for us oldies ( 49 and counting). I learnt Easy language and c# is a step up but way way more powerful and there is now a friendly forum called BigMikeTrading that can help you.

3. NT support is VERY limited and should only be used as a last resort.

4.Trading off the chart I find immense.

5. If it all gets too much - post something and find an original smilie!

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Just backup (or not) the original .exe, and replace it with the hacked version.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!!!

Zephyr

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Thanks for that info Z - I have just started an account with Mirus -- and I will follow up on your advice..

cheers

Happy to help. And thanks for the thanks!

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Last, let me leave you with this. If you are searching for more and more complicated techniques, more and more resource hungry indicators and strategies, more and more data, etc --- this is the wrong path to go down unless you are already consistently profitable right now today. If you are going down these paths in search of profitability, you will find nothing. If you are going down these paths because it's a hobby and of interest, then sure. I like toying with complex stuff but I also have the experience to know that the only thing I need to make money is a chart with price on it and a sound money management and trading plan.

Mike

Hi Mike,

Enjoying your forum/site.

You may have covered this elsewhere, but specifically what do you have in your TRADING PLAN ie what points/topics (not asking for your secrets!). But if you are not using indicators, what might indicate to you an entry for a trade eg is S&R, trendlines etc?

I certainly agree with your comment about over doing the reliance on indicators, but instead focusing on price action, money management and a plan.

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