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I'm afraid I have to agree that rapidly clicking in sim mode (where all ninja needs to do is increment or decrement a counter) really only demonstrates how ninja trader handles rapid clicks in sim mode. Still it is always good to have people try to break stuff. Clicking is not really a problem for any platform, how things behave in fast markets where they need to handle hundreds and hundred of order book changes every second is what will likely cause hiccups if anything will. Stuff like that is pretty hard to test though you can run a Ninja DOM alongside TT for example. (Incidentally I know which I would use given a choice)

Really when talking about NT one needs to differentiate between the order entry and the charts. The order entry has always been adequate especially if you are not a scalper. I remember being one of the few people that tested the first version an eternity ago. The charts while having some nice features are poorly architected (and still are in 7.0). It was also clear in 6.5 there where issues with how NT was using .net (it's always a tricky task getting the best performance out of a managed framework). Actually the rapid clicking will exercise .net'/NT's UI event handling.

Having said that I quite like NT it is different enough to be interesting and is fine for basic charting and order entry. I hope one day they sort out the database and tick precision for historic data so stuff like gomi's database are not required, and more advanced applications can be developed without too much fuss. Of course they need to keep streamlining and optimising the data handling too as even in version 7.0 there is room for improvement.

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I'm afraid I have to agree that rapidly clicking in sim mode (where all ninja needs to do is increment or decrement a counter) really only demonstrates how ninja trader handles rapid clicks in sim mode. Still it is always good to have people try to break stuff. Clicking is not really a problem for any platform, how I hope one day they sort out the database and tick precision for historic data so stuff like gomi's database are not required, and more advanced applications can be developed without too much fuss. Of course they need to keep streamlining and optimising the data handling too as even in version 7.0 there is room for improvement.

What part of this has been lost?

I did rapid click with CL earlier in the thread with real $$$ using ZinFire/Mirus.

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hehe neat idea, perhaps offer a few beer rounds for setting "EnforcePartials" to false then

@Big Mike and I had a discussion about real vs. SIM, months ago.

The idea is we set a trader in front of a trading system and it randomly sets real vs. sim for each completed trade. Then you trade for a fixed amount of time.

At the end see what the results are. We should do this!

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What part of this has been lost?

I did rapid click with CL earlier in the thread with real $$$ using ZinFire/Mirus.

I was aware of what you wrote earlier.

I think the part that has been lost is my point that rapid clicking pales into insignificance compared to rapid incoming ticks in fast markets, unless of course you where clicking 1000's of orders a second. It is all about handling events and incoming ticks in fast markets are where you get a truckload of events. If you want to stress more subsystems have lots of single tick charts with a reasonable history updating too.

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What is beta testing about?

Pushing the product to the breaking point.

Since I do not have a $7,000,000 Margin Account I can only test the up to the amount I am comfortable, which is 20 live.

Some one with a larger account could test this or, Ray could set up a fake - real account. I'll do the same thing.

How about it Ray. Set me up with an account where everything is real, but the trades are not executed at the end. Not sure how this would work???? Or just trust me to know when I can trade like this. and give me a $100,000 account-100 cars CL, 200 ES.

You are not beta testing anything that is linked to the real world, like I said the bottleneck is the API and in your SIM101 you're not using it to the max like in live trading. Beta testing in the normal software world is in a lab, with a simulated environment. Meaning you use an API, even in your 'non' real account.

Apparently ninjatrader has no clue about how software testing and stress testing works otherwise ninjatrader wouldn't be such a piece of crap like it is today.

Ninjatrader was hot in 2008/2009, they blew it, their momentum is over and now others will jump in and that their market over. That's how things go when you mess up, and boy, you really messed up NT !!

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You are not beta testing anything that is linked to the real world, like I said the bottleneck is the API and in your SIM101 you're not using it to the max like in live trading. !

Your saying the thing that is untrue.

I have done at least 10 cars rapid click live REAL $$$.
Why can't you understand this?

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10 is NO BIG DEAL, that is not stress testing.

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10 is NO BIG DEAL, that is not stress testing.

Fund me and I'll double your $$$ in 2 days. OK?

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Fund me and I'll double your $$$ in 2 days. OK?

Sure, and what if you don't get it to double ?

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Sure, and what if you don't get it to double ?

No guts, no glory.

I just posted my SIM weekly report...

How about you post something where a trade is shown?

With a BA name like that I expect more.

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