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Ninja Trader and Australia

I am currently looking at my options for different brokers in Australia to use Ninja Trader. I currently use MFGlobal Australia but I haven't been overly happy with the support I have been receiving. I trade index futures mainly but if I can get an ASX feed into Ninja to watch the top 100 shares while I trade the index futures that would be handy.

I have opened an IB account but haven't funded it yet to give them a try but it sounds like their history feed is lacking.

I have also looked at a few brokers overseas. I have looked at the Mirus amd Amp websites but it seems they don't have SPI futures (from Sydney Futures Exchange) available.

I guess I'm looking for broker suggestions to use Ninja and/or feedback from Australian users of IB and NT.

Thanks in advance for any idea's put forward.

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Hi Treggs,

I have been looking for the same thing, but have not found a solution yet. When you do, please let me know.

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Will do Alan. Just out of curiosity, what is your current setup?

P.S. Can anyone using a zenfire feed tell me if SPI futures are available? Ta

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Treggs, I'm from Brisbane using Zen fire / Mirus/ Ninja. Definately no SPI data available. You should check out E-signal.. about $100 a month for basic.

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Just a thought... in theory any of your local brokers who can offer you a PATS or TT platform & login for SPI futures... you can use Ninja instead. I'm in a similar situation in Singapore where there are some local contracts I'd like to trade using Ninja (I can chart them with my IQ Feed subscription, but I want to auto trade)... so I'm looking for a way to get a TT brokerage account while paying little or no TT platform fees. If I get any traction I'll post back!

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MXASJ, I'm using a pats connection but recently they did a server upgrade that wasn't backwards compatible with the Ninja API and that made it unusable for a month. I received no notification the upgrade was going to happen and I reported to them that it had broken NT rather than the other way around.

After liaising with NT support they were kind enough to write an upgrade with the new pats API to get it working again (hence 6.5.1000.13). Very sporting of NT since they are working bloody hard to get NT 7 out the door and they didn't cause the problem.

My Esignal history feed is now broken due to an account snafu so I have been offline for well over a month. Completely unacceptable imho.

NT has by far the best support I have received on any platform I have used. NT support isn't perfect but I have realistic expectations. The few issues I have had with NT have been solved quickly so I am now a reasonably loyal customer. The same can't be said for Pats platforms/support and my current broker.

All that said, when my setup works, it is pretty sweet. I just wish it would work...

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My setup is TT / Velocity / NT (I think). My broker is velocity. I used to go through Halifax in Sydney, however they are hopeless and expensive.

The other option to look at is trading the DAX and Nikkei as these time zones are a lot better for Aussies and the volume and volatility is much better than the SPI. I trade the SPI using IG via a CFD, however this is not optimal. It would be better to trade the SPI via Ninja, if possible. I once received a quote from Interactive Brokers in Sydney. They can offer the SPI.

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Treggs, I'm from Brisbane using Zen fire / Mirus/ Ninja. Definately no SPI data available. You should check out E-signal.. about $100 a month for basic.

And speaking about ninjatrader and data suppliers -- I have just noted some discussion about datafeeds.

I have recently signed up with shadowtraders-ninjatrader | mirus | Zen-fire.

One reason for my decision was based upon the level of the data-feed - apparently, the amount of technical data per transaction can vary, and it relates to the frequency of dataset transmission. Just like cycles/second [eg. gigahertz for CPUs] are the measure of a fast processor - the same analogy applies to data transmission.

The reason that everyone wants high frequency data transmission is because of the exponential growth in trading volumes across all the various instruments - ES etc - and many institutions - big money players - have got their trading robots busy dropping in false buy and sell orders to influence the market direction - before cancelling the trade before someone snaps it up.

As you can imagine - timing of this type of strategy has to be as tight as practicable....and it of course follows....if you have snail-speed data-feeds then your well-thought-out strategies can be stymied by "the-horse-has-bolted-factor".

Traders using the per/tick, pre-range/packet, short-time trading strategies would be most affected.

This forum here, has more on the subject;
TS SUPPORT :: View topic - Suggestion for next release about milliseconds

I am not the guru about all this stuff, perhaps other forum members can shed more light.

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- big money players - have got their trading robots busy dropping in false buy and sell orders to influence the market direction - before cancelling the trade before someone snaps it up.

platypus,

OMG!!!

I think I may have a way to measure this!!!!!!

Let me think about it.

RJay

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- big money players - have got their trading robots busy dropping in false buy and sell orders to influence the market direction - before cancelling the trade before someone snaps it up.

platypus,

OMG!!!

I think I may have a way to measure this!!!!!!

Let me think about it.

RJay

This is the so called "flash trading" that is in the media at the moment. You will have to be physically close to the exchange with some serious horsepower to beat the big boys at their game. Order times are apparently in the milliseconds.

Pretty sure I read somewhere that the SEC is looking at banning it anyway.

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