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Time Based Renko Bars for ninja 7?

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 billr 
San Antonio, Texas USA
 
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ianrk,
You are very welcome. I do use the logikRenko vs. NT's renko, expecially if I am backtesting. It provides two advantages, the wicks prevent the strategy analyzer from deleting the price moves in between forming a new brick, and the matching of the close/open so the strategy will record an entry at the correct point at reversal bar conditions. There are some other more esoteric advantages of the logikrenko that I wont go into here. From what little I know about the specifics of Better Renko, Better may solve the two main problems I described above...not sure.

Regarding any advantage, they fact that they work correctly as opposed to NT's renko is certainly the elimination of a disadvantage. Any advantage would be the inherent use of Renko price movement. The break of a time chart is arbitrary, the same can be said for tick charts but to a lesser degree. As far as my trading goes, I do look at range charts occasionally, but my longer term trading is all Renko. My day trading/scalping is mostly tick charts and 5/15min. charts. I try to keep the number of charts I am using to trade to a minimum as well.

I have had Anthony over at purelogik (vs. logitek?) do some custom programming for me, but have only used his logikRenko as far as his off-the-self products. I have thought about looking into a couple of his others but havent' done so yet. I have found him to be a good resource for custom programming.

I trade based on price and have tried to keep my charts very clean, so like you I use almost no indicators. One thing I find very helpful with renko is how the pure price movement provides pretty clear indicators if you are using them. For instance, I would use moving averages much more with a renko than I would with a tick or time chart. They tend to assist me in seeing what is already on the chart, but helpful. If I were to generalize how I use renko, I would say that they tend to perform well when trading medium to longer term price swings. Since there is a marginal trade-off in accuracy by reducing noise levels, anything less than a 10 tick (or pip) accuracy in entries is a potential problem with renko. If your trading is not reliant on spot-on entries, trade and risk management is not as problematic as entry signals, and can perform with little disadvantage to other charts. So other than scalping, I would suggest renko is a good tool to keep at hand.

I would be happy to expand or comment on any specifics you might have in mind.

Hope I answered your question.

Bill

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 ianrk 
birmingham, staffordshire, uk
 
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Bill
Thanks again. I agree with you about bar size, if its too small its easy to get chopped around and you can miss the big picture. I tend to trade a bit discretionary so not really been into backtesting on ninja, especially when I've not learnt the language. I use 15 pip better renko for basic S/R levels and 5 pip for entries. On 5pip better renko you get anything from a 10 to 15 pip reversal bar for some reason. From what I can see I think better renko bars solve some of the basic renko issues but do not appear to be as technically adept as logik renko bars. I was wondering if the adaptive brick size was helpful, and what the different brick colours meant.I also agree MA's most likely perform better with priced based bars, although I don't use them when I'm scapling.
Whilst I like ninja trader it is problematic finding a good ecn broker with low forex spreads, this is area where MT4 has an advantage, but no proper range or renko on MT4 as far as I can see. Perhaps e-mini futures are a good option.
Ian

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 BankRobberNT 
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This might help:

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gregnixon
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ianrk,

I wanted to stress that the timed renko, while it was appealing to me at first glance, is a very dangerous idea. I didn't know what I was doing at the time. In my opinion it's a novelty chart that should not be used in live trading or backtesting. When using historic data, they look great. But they are showing you an impossible view that could only be done with a time machine. For example, if you are looking at a live timed-renko set to 5 minutes and 10 tick brick size, the chart will only update once every 5 minutes. So if during that five minutes you get a 50 tick move, you will not know it until the 5 mins is up and then the chart will print a nice, noise-free 5 bars reflecting the net move you just missed! I have to laugh at the insanely great backtesting results I was getting with them from eSignal. But again, it is an illusion.

Don't be discouraged by this, renko charts are at their best when used in their original form showing net price movement. They are a great tool.

I currently use LogikRenko from pureLogik to mitigate some serious technical issues NT has built into their platform regarding Renko charts.

Let me know if you would like to discuss the use of renko any further.

Hi Bill,

I would love to pick your brain about a few things,

Greg

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 sevensa 
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Hi Bill,

I would love to pick your brain about a few things,

Greg

The post you are referring to is from about 12 years ago and billr haven't posted on here in almost 4 years. Always a good idea to look at time stamps of posts. Perhaps he is still around, but just set your expectations.

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 billr 
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Hi Greg,
Sorry I didn’t see your post until now. I’m still around but don’t check the site that often. As the previous post mentioned, my post regarding Timed Renko was quite a while back, but I would be happy to answer any questions the best I can.

Hope all is well.

Bill

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