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Any know an orderflow based momentum/strength indicator?

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 horacioofman 
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Looking for an orderflow based momentum/strength indicator.

I am looking for any developments or already finished products for an indicator that measures the stengh of delta (or bid and ask separately) over price.

I have not reached to a formula to attempt building an indicator, but thinking on 3 ways of measuring this:

By period: Last negative delta/last change in price on the last period where last delta was negatiive
and: Last positive delta/last change in price on the last period where last delta was positiive

or by price range measuring: needed delta or bid volume needed to move price up 1 range (and oposite for range down)

or by tick (measuring by ticks/trades how effective fid and ask volumes were to move price up or down)

I have not been able to finalize the math/logic for the indicator. I do not have the programming skils nor the trading knowledge to come up with something like this on my own.

The theory I am chasing is that delta becomes more or less efective in moving price up or down (which is the same as saying that price moves has a changing sensitivity to bid and ask volumes). Then hopofuley that measure can help predict future delta or absortion period.

If any of you have seen an indicator following a similar path, please let me know where I can find it. Or we can start a thread discussion about this matter.

Regards,

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Looking for an orderflow based momentum/strength indicator.

I am looking for any developments or already finished products for an indicator that measures the stengh of delta (or bid and ask separately) over price.

I have not reached to a formula to attempt building an indicator, but thinking on 3 ways of measuring this:

By period: Last negative delta/last change in price on the last period where last delta was negatiive
and: Last positive delta/last change in price on the last period where last delta was positiive

or by price range measuring: needed delta or bid volume needed to move price up 1 range (and oposite for range down)

or by tick (measuring by ticks/trades how effective fid and ask volumes were to move price up or down)

I have not been able to finalize the math/logic for the indicator. I do not have the programming skils nor the trading knowledge to come up with something like this on my own.

The theory I am chasing is that delta becomes more or less efective in moving price up or down (which is the same as saying that price moves has a changing sensitivity to bid and ask volumes). Then hopofuley that measure can help predict future delta or absortion period.

If any of you have seen an indicator following a similar path, please let me know where I can find it. Or we can start a thread discussion about this matter.

Regards,

It seems there should be something like this, but I am not certain since I do not use orderflow.

Perhaps if we throw it open to the rest of the forum, someone can weigh in.

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Looking for an orderflow based momentum/strength indicator.

I am looking for any developments or already finished products for an indicator that measures the stengh of delta (or bid and ask separately) over price.

I have not reached to a formula to attempt building an indicator, but thinking on 3 ways of measuring this:

By period: Last negative delta/last change in price on the last period where last delta was negatiive
and: Last positive delta/last change in price on the last period where last delta was positiive

or by price range measuring: needed delta or bid volume needed to move price up 1 range (and oposite for range down)

or by tick (measuring by ticks/trades how effective fid and ask volumes were to move price up or down)

I have not been able to finalize the math/logic for the indicator. I do not have the programming skils nor the trading knowledge to come up with something like this on my own.

The theory I am chasing is that delta becomes more or less efective in moving price up or down (which is the same as saying that price moves has a changing sensitivity to bid and ask volumes). Then hopofuley that measure can help predict future delta or absortion period.

If any of you have seen an indicator following a similar path, please let me know where I can find it. Or we can start a thread discussion about this matter.

Regards,

Try gomicators.com

The developer is a member here, and his footprint chart has a couple indicators where you can program different ideas to be displayed, like this:



It's very similar to Excel language, and I've found it quite flexible and powerful. Without looking to deeply at what you are trying to do, I think you could manage it.

Try this link to read more about the latest version, or try the website - they have a free trial with extensive documentation.



Good luck.

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There is no substitute for learning to read orderflow yourself.

Your question doesn't make sense since any institutional/orderflow trader doesn't use or need indicators. Neither do you. Neither does anyone else.

Learn to read the DOM. It is the only way to successfully trade any product in any market.



Fred

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There is no substitute for learning to read orderflow yourself.

Your question doesn't make sense since any institutional/orderflow trader doesn't use or need indicators. Neither do you. Neither does anyone else.

Learn to read the DOM. It is the only way to successfully trade any product in any market.



Fred

Really? You don't think there is ANY other way to successfully trade? I've read all the Market Wizzards book and I don't recall any of them mentioning trading the DOM only and I thought they were pretty successful. But according to you, they are not?

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sorry see below

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Looking for an orderflow based momentum/strength indicator.

I am looking for any developments or already finished products for an indicator that measures the stengh of delta (or bid and ask separately) over price.

I have not reached to a formula to attempt building an indicator, but thinking on 3 ways of measuring this:

By period: Last negative delta/last change in price on the last period where last delta was negatiive
and: Last positive delta/last change in price on the last period where last delta was positiive

or by price range measuring: needed delta or bid volume needed to move price up 1 range (and oposite for range down)

or by tick (measuring by ticks/trades how effective fid and ask volumes were to move price up or down)

I have not been able to finalize the math/logic for the indicator. I do not have the programming skils nor the trading knowledge to come up with something like this on my own.

The theory I am chasing is that delta becomes more or less efective in moving price up or down (which is the same as saying that price moves has a changing sensitivity to bid and ask volumes). Then hopofuley that measure can help predict future delta or absortion period.

If any of you have seen an indicator following a similar path, please let me know where I can find it. Or we can start a thread discussion about this matter.

Regards,


Hello,

I know one such indicator that I tested some time ago. It's quite interesting, but in the end I didn't buy it. I only used that momentum, the rest of what the indicator can do is useless in my opinion. I had the impression that it was slowing down my PC a bit in wilder markets. I would love to figure out the logic behind it and make something similar myself. Open source is always better. But for now, I'm a bit stumped... So if anyone has any ideas, here they come.

https://tradedevils-indicators.com/collections/frontpage/products/orderflow-buy-sell-momentum

emun

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maybe velocity on a volume bar would be helpful,



Might also look at Jigsaw youtube videos, perhaps their features are what you're looking for.


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Looking for an orderflow based momentum/strength indicator.

I am looking for any developments or already finished products for an indicator that measures the stengh of delta (or bid and ask separately) over price.

I have not reached to a formula to attempt building an indicator, but thinking on 3 ways of measuring this:

By period: Last negative delta/last change in price on the last period where last delta was negatiive
and: Last positive delta/last change in price on the last period where last delta was positiive

or by price range measuring: needed delta or bid volume needed to move price up 1 range (and oposite for range down)

or by tick (measuring by ticks/trades how effective fid and ask volumes were to move price up or down)

I have not been able to finalize the math/logic for the indicator. I do not have the programming skils nor the trading knowledge to come up with something like this on my own.

The theory I am chasing is that delta becomes more or less efective in moving price up or down (which is the same as saying that price moves has a changing sensitivity to bid and ask volumes). Then hopofuley that measure can help predict future delta or absortion period.

If any of you have seen an indicator following a similar path, please let me know where I can find it. Or we can start a thread discussion about this matter.

Regards,


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maybe velocity on a volume bar would be helpful,



Might also look at Jigsaw youtube videos, perhaps their features are what you're looking for.

Thank you. But this is not what I´m looking for. It is for volume bars, I need it for time based bars. And I need it for NT8, so Jigsaw is out of the game, too.

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Is there some reason that a volumetric bar showing imbalance and and building volume won't work for you?

That's a 30 minute bar in the ES.

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