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NT as a Jigsaw substitute.

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As I have never used Jigsaw I don't know what I am missing in NT.

What is the closest approximation possible in NT? It seems the Pull/stack isn't available (that I'm aware of), trails, number of executions, others?). The big thing I noticed is the dynamic vs static DOM. I don't have static DOM (really? The license fee to use it is more than the lifetime micro commissions just so it doesn't bounce around!) Anything else? How do the heat maps compare? I believe that is a separate app and fee available with JS?

If I only used NT, which vital JS features would I be missing out on?

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The big thing I noticed is the dynamic vs static DOM. I don't have static DOM (really? The license fee to use it is more than the lifetime micro commissions just so it doesn't bounce around!)

I can't answer about Jigsaw or indeed anything about that style of trading, but regarding the static DOM, this was patented by Trading Technologies many, many years ago. The twitchy NT "dynamic" DOM was a way NT could get around the TT patent -- otherwise you'll have to pay a fee for a DOM that stands still, under an agreement they made with TT. Which is an odd thing, everyone agrees.

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I can't answer about Jigsaw or indeed anything about that style of trading, but regarding the static DOM, this was patented by Trading Technologies many, many years ago. The twitchy NT "dynamic" DOM was a way NT could get around the TT patent -- otherwise you'll have to pay a fee for a DOM that stands still, under an agreement they made with TT. Which is an odd thing, everyone agrees.

Bob.

That is a ridiculous patent. I haven't read it but if the the unique thing is that it doesn't move, then it isn't really defensible as it would be obvious to one "skilled in the art." A few years back someone even patented a tire swing. US patent office has made a mockery of patents.

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That is a ridiculous patent. I haven't read it but if the the unique thing is that it doesn't move, then it isn't really defensible as it would be obvious to one "skilled in the art."

Yes, and everybody thinks so. Except TT, that is.

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As I have never used Jigsaw I don't know what I am missing in NT.

What is the closest approximation possible in NT? It seems the Pull/stack isn't available (that I'm aware of), trails, number of executions, others?). The big thing I noticed is the dynamic vs static DOM. I don't have static DOM (really? The license fee to use it is more than the lifetime micro commissions just so it doesn't bounce around!) Anything else? How do the heat maps compare? I believe that is a separate app and fee available with JS?

If I only used NT, which vital JS features would I be missing out on?


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It depends on how you trade. In the SuperDome you can only see price and resting orders, while in Jigsaw you see current bid and ask trades that allow you to see when there are icebergs, absorptions, bid and aks snapshot that allow you to see the number of contratros withdrawn at a certain price, etc. You also have volume profile althought you have indicator on NT if you have live license, etc. But it always depends on the instrument you are going to trade and how you trade. If you do, for example, scalping Treasures then it is almost mandatory that you use Jigsaw or something similar.

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Hi!
It depends on how you trade. In the SuperDome you can only see price and resting orders, while in Jigsaw you see current bid and ask trades that allow you to see when there are icebergs, absorptions, bid and aks snapshot that allow you to see the number of contratros withdrawn at a certain price, etc. You also have volume profile althought you have indicator on NT if you have live license, etc. But it always depends on the instrument you are going to trade and how you trade. If you do, for example, scalping Treasures then it is almost mandatory that you use Jigsaw or something similar.

Yeah, JS looks lovely. In the end, it was more than I wanted to spend. I was happy to pay the base price or the monthly fee, but not both. Sierra chart has nearly the same functionality. I just downloaded it today and am setting it up for DOM trading.

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Couldn't agree more = it reminds me of the "business process" method that was abused for years since mid 90's.

This patent is already 20+ years old - I believe in 5 years should be at the end of its life.

"US patent office has made a mockery of patents." = indeed - not only that - as a sole entrepreneur/small biz - you are at a MAJOR disadvantage in front of corporations like Apple etc - they also change the "first to invent" to first to file!

Ill quote my original startup investor when it came to patents : "give me a product with a "stickiness" element - Ill take a BRAND over a patent any day.



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That is a ridiculous patent. I haven't read it but if the the unique thing is that it doesn't move, then it isn't really defensible as it would be obvious to one "skilled in the art." A few years back someone even patented a tire swing. US patent office has made a mockery of patents.


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