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yeah maybe

the retail trading supply business is self protecting

Wipe out your "buggy NinjaTrader" comment and call it a day. You are now officially divorced from NinjaTrader, we are all your witnesses. Do not look back anymore, and stop posting angry messages.

I am myself interested in MultiCharts, so I am keen to participate in your experience. I am just not making the step now, because it is quite a heavy investment. Recoding my indicators will take weeks, if not months. But I plan a slow evolution in that direction as well.

Unless you come back with an experience similar to your NT adventures.

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Hi Luke,

the personal experiences and informations are important for a forum. YOU don´t need to do the same, of course. I have purchased a lifetime-license of NT and happy to be informed in a forum about issues - and other solutions.

U are right, but this is not the right thread for this discussion. There are already some thread where u can read and discuss about other solutions.

Take your Pips, go out and Live.
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For the record:
  1. NinjaTrader requires trade data to comply with a licensing agreement that we have in place with Trading Technologies for use of the their static depth of market display patent (our static SuperDOM) (More information - Trading Platform. NINJATRADER. Trading Technologies Settlement.)
  2. ONLY under the following conditions does the NinjaTrader client transmit trade data to NinjaTrader servers when a trade is executed independent of what order entry window was used:
  3. This impacts a very small percentage of our user base. Less than half of 1 percent of our user base was impacted by the conditions above over the trailing three months.
  4. The collected trade data is solely used to calculate and report royalties due to Trading Technologies.
  5. As some of you have pointed out and we agree, the secure transmission of this data is important and was overlooked. As such, we have taken steps in the next release of both NinjaTrader 6.5 and 7 to transmit this data securely over HTTPS. We anticipate releasing these updates shortly.
  6. The original thread in Elite Trader was suspicious due to the fact that it was the members’ first post despite that, I did respond as I am doing so now so that our users accurately understand this item. Once the thread deviated from its original context I asked for it to be removed.
Apart from licensing information and the exception detailed above, the NinjaTrader client application does not transmit any information such as but not limited to personal, trade or strategy data to any external destination.


NT has released an update (6.5.1000.17 and 7.0.0.21) on 9/9 addressing the issue.

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NT and security

Please,if anyone can tell me more about NT-zenfire and security,
I guess that user name and password transmitted over internet
in encrypted form. If anyone knows about order submission,or
order canceling, is this operations transmitted via internet
in encrypted form ?

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Please,if anyone can tell me more about NT-zenfire and security,
I guess that user name and password transmitted over internet
in encrypted form. If anyone knows about order submission,or
order canceling, is this operations transmitted via internet
in encrypted form ?

I believe NT7 sets up a 128-bit SSL session to encrypt all Zen-Fire client/server traffic, which covers the transactions you mentioned. Suggest you get in touch with Zen-Fire to confirm this.

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Is NinjaTrader Spying or Are 6 Connections Really Needed for Starting It

I just started NinjaTrader and had a look at my monitoring tool to see what it does.

Even prior to establishing any connection with a data provider, NinjaTrader is heavily involved in setting up between 3 and 6 simultaneous connections. How can I know what it is doing?

These are the connections

-> cdn-87-248-217-254.frf.llnw.net
-> hans-moleman.w3.org (2x)
-> 204.8.241.145
-> 64.74.223.35
-> unknown

(1) cdn-87-248-217-254.frf.llnw.net is a host located in Frankfurt and run by Limelight Networks. Limelight Networks is a content deliverer who allows for sending files via the public internet.

(2) If I check for hans-moleman.w3.org, I find an IP address 128.3052.37, which belongs to World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), so probably nothing wrong here.

(3) The IP address 204.8.241.145 is related to the following host names:

Wiki.fxprogrammers.com
Negociação de Divisas por FXCM
http:/www. fxcmexpo. com

All these sites belong to FXCM. One of the two data providers of Kinetick is FXCM, just strange that an internet connection to FXCM is established prior to connecting to Kinetick EOD.

(4) The IP address 64.74.223.35 is operated by Internap Network Services Corporation in Bellevue, Washington. It is also linked to the domain fclink.com, which is for sale.

Is there anybody who has checked NinjaTrader for establishing internet connections and give me an explanation of this?

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Last edited by Fat Tails; January 7th, 2011 at 06:14 PM. Reason: First read lnw.net, but it is llnw.net - not in Australia but in Frankfurt
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Second step - Connecting to Kinetick EOD

NinjaTrader passes from 6 connections to 8 connections, once the connection with Kinetick EOD is established.

There are two new domains showing up:

-> www2.7ticks.com
-> www.ninjatrader-support2.com

www2.7ticks.com is a host operated by Interactive Data Company. The screenshot below confirms that the chart data has been downloaded from there, so no problem here.

But the screenshot also shows that data has been exchanged three other servers. Maybe they are servers for licence verification for the vendor licences. I do not know.

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Last edited by Fat Tails; January 7th, 2011 at 06:15 PM. Reason: Server is located in Frankfurt, not in Australia...
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Isn't the internet data screening center of Echelon based in Australia ? :-)

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After giving this considerable thought, I would like to present the TMFT Top 10 List;

1. I have an extra tin foil hat you can wear. I attached a pic of me in mine. Gotta admit it looks pretty spiffy.

2. As long as the connection isn't to Guantanamo Bay... I wouldn't be too concerned.

3. You should see all the stuff those porn sites do to my computer.

4. Simple solution, don't use the internet. Unfortunately, trying to phone your orders in while scalping has always been difficult for me.

5. Get a job in a Prop Shop. Of course they will expect you to get dressed to trade there.

6. Sit in your brokers office and tell them to enter the trades for you. Have to warn you though, those $50 transaction fees kill my profits.

7. Just Sim Trade... that won't make you any money... but it will waste their time and teach them a lesson for watching what you are doing.

8. Trade from a computer at the public library and use anonymous pseudo address sites. I kept getting distracted by the hot librarians.

9. Send them a text message saying you need their help to get $1,000,000 out of your secret bank account and if they will wire you $500 you will split the $1,000,000 with them.

10. Ignore them and make a fortune trading instead.


Just messing with ya...

I'm just a simple man trading a simple plan.

My daddy always said, "Every day above ground is a good day!"
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After giving this considerable thought, I would like to present the TMFT Top 10 List;

1. I have an extra tin foil hat you can wear. I attached a pic of me in mine. Gotta admit it looks pretty spiffy.

2. As long as the connection isn't to Guantanamo Bay... I wouldn't be too concerned.

3. You should see all the stuff those porn sites do to my computer.

4. Simple solution, don't use the internet. Unfortunately, trying to phone your orders in while scalping has always been difficult for me.

5. Get a job in a Prop Shop. Of course they will expect you to get dressed to trade there.

6. Sit in your brokers office and tell them to enter the trades for you. Have to warn you though, those $50 transaction fees kill my profits.

7. Just Sim Trade... that won't make you any money... but it will waste their time and teach them a lesson for watching what you are doing.

8. Trade from a computer at the public library and use anonymous pseudo address sites. I kept getting distracted by the hot librarians.

9. Send them a text message saying you need their help to get $1,000,000 out of your secret bank account and if they will wire you $500 you will split the $1,000,000 with them.

10. Ignore them and make a fortune trading instead.


Just messing with ya...

My daddy always said, "Every day above ground is a good day!"


I guess your daddy was a miner, was he?

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