There are some reasons why I want to keep NT at the moment
- The most important: As I am new to futures, I want to follow the wealth of information available in other threads here (Sharky, Tzachi, TheWizard, etc.). I think it is easier just to use the same indicators and look at the same screens in this phase and focus on the getting the trading right.
- I have 6 months invested in NT and am finally starting to learn a bit of the coding. Maybe NT7 will solve some of the problems I have with NT6.5 and then NT may became the better option again.
- NT makes me independent of / gives fallback for TS in case TS goes down.
Maybe I change my opinion after I get access to the TS forums and get to learn the program. But getting the 'ideal' platform is an evolving and moving target anyway.
I told myself to stabilize the infrastructure / tools / indicators and start focussing more on the trading, money manegement etc.
I looked at TOS. I still have TDA and they are really promoting it. It looks like a relally nice platform. But as you said no autotrading yet. I am wondering what TDA will do with StrategyDesk. If they could combine the strenght of both it would be a winnner.
I also looked at CoolTrade ... good autotrading, but lacking the rest.
The 'ideal' solution for me is not yet out there. But in 2 years the landscape might be different again. Everybody appears to be evolving toward a type of integrated system.
RE the infrastructure .. think I have that covered. My weak link is having no fallback for the ADSL as I have no cable here. Therefore I am religious with stops. I will experiment with mobile backup.
I use Ninja for the same reason - to use the sharky indicator package. I'm still simming with it and still not profitable but I'm hoping to improve.
For the backup, I have a USB mobile device that gives me internet. Here in France it's 8 euros/day (about $12) for unlimited service and you only pay on the days you use it. So it's perfect for me. While on vacation I used it every day. Now I just have it in case of emergencies. Let mek now if there is a similar solution (pay only when you use it) in the US, I'm hoping to move back to the US next year.
NT will pass TS eventually. TS has no innovation. They're just coasting on their 10 year old product. NT is very innovative. In many ways NT has passed TS. But for now the optimal for me is having access to both.
Here in Australia cheapest pre-paid mobile internet about 20$ for 500MB / 30$ for 1GB (and that must be used in a month ... after that it is gone)
BTW NT might be innovative but IMO is missing the speed. I see them overtaken by e.g. TOS or MultiCharts.From what I have read NT7 will be better but not really revolutionary.
They also would really be more attractive when they would provide e.g. in house historic data like TS.
Last edited by Peter; August 10th, 2009 at 08:34 AM.
1) Mirus/Zen-Fire + NT: it would cost me the licence for NT + IQFeed because i want to have market internals... to sum it up: $995 once for NT and about $60/month for IQFeed (startup fee $50)...
2) Tradestation with their brokerage: no platform fee if i trade 10 roundturn futures contracts? just the data-feed fees monthly: CBOT Data Package #1 for YM - $10,- CME Data Package #1 for ES and NQ - $25,-
is that it or did I forget anything? is tradestation really not more expensive when using them also as a broker?
furtermore... is the volume traded at bid/ask included with the data packages for tradestation? and are market internals included with TS or do I need another data-feed?
If you use TS you must subscribe to data for the "internals" I'm not sure what you mean by that but it's extra. i have OPRA for PC Ratio, nasdaq, amex, & NYSE. It's $3,$1,$1,$1 so nothing major.
I love tradestation for charting but I never got used to their DOM & order tools. However I think if you're not spoiled by the ninja DOM the TS DOM would be just fine.
I vote for TS because it'll be cheaper if you do 10 trades per month. However if you plan on doing sim for a while then Mirus + IQ could be cheaper.
Tradestation has uptick/downtick as a proxy for bid/ask. It's similar but not the same. Most of the time it's equivalent but sometimes it can give different results if the bid/ask is moving around a lot. If you want true bid/ask you'll need IQFeed and a software that can handle it such as Investor RT.
I pay the TS monthly fee ($99) and execute my trades through Ninja with Mirus. I am willing to "pay" $99 in order to use Ninja's DOM but that's only because I'm used to it.
Bottom line - while you're learning, especially if on sim, you want to keep costs as low as possible. When you're profitable these fees are just part of doing business and not a big deal. But while learning they really add up and if you have a small account they can eat it up. For example using TS + data for crude, euro, Dax, & gold you can pay $300/month!!! With Mirus all those would be free.
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