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I canceled my quarterly subscription to Ninjatrader today.

I just love Ninjatrader. For me it does it all. There's only one thing, it crashes. 6.5 crashes, 7 b18 crashes, they all crashes. We're bloody 2010, give me a break please.

This morning it crashed again while loading charts and again when I was in a trade and then later when I wanted to enter a trade who turned out to be a winner, so I lost because of Ninjatrader. It crashes sometimes when I'm just looking at the charts without clicking anything.

I have sended numerous bug reports with logs to NT but they all come back to me that they can't reproduce the crashes.

I have a automated strategy programmed in NT also, but it's no problem to reprogram this in another program.

I'm looking for a replacement, please if you have any ideas.

I checked out multicharts but are missing the chart trader or DOM, maybe I need to split up programs and don't search for a one program fits all ?

I daytrade forex, mainly GBPUSD, EURJPY and EURUSD. 5 to 15 trades a day.

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Speaking from experience, I recommend MultiCharts if you are looking for a solid, fast, and very powerful charting and backtesting platform.

For order execution of discretionary trades, MultiCharts does not have a DOM yet (it is scheduled soon). Personally, I have been using the NT DOM with MC charting for many, many months. However, NT is the weak link in that equation, I still have problems with it. So now I am looking at X-Trader, I feel confident it is stable and reliable, and so far it has the feature set I need in a DOM.

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I canceled my quarterly subscription to Ninjatrader today.

I just love Ninjatrader. For me it does it all. There's only one thing, it crashes. 6.5 crashes, 7 b18 crashes, they all crashes. We're bloody 2010, give me a break please.

This morning it crashed again while loading charts and again when I was in a trade and then later when I wanted to enter a trade who turned out to be a winner, so I lost because of Ninjatrader. It crashes sometimes when I'm just looking at the charts without clicking anything.

I have sended numerous bug reports with logs to NT but they all come back to me that they can't reproduce the crashes.

I have a automated strategy programmed in NT also, but it's no problem to reprogram this in another program.

I'm looking for a replacement, please if you have any ideas.

I checked out multicharts but are missing the chart trader or DOM, maybe I need to split up programs and don't search for a one program fits all ?

I daytrade forex, mainly GBPUSD, EURJPY and EURUSD. 5 to 15 trades a day.

Thanks

If u can shift to another broker. I guess Open E Cry does support both EasyLanguage + C# . Though I'm not aware of its speed and all . May be some OEC user can give u proper inputs. But all what i can see is , DOM + EL support, This fills gap between multicharts & Ninja's DOM. It directly supports multicharts too.

I'm testing demo since past couple of days. Couldnt spare much time over it. But seems good to me.

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 mahlonhersh 
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Is there any other platform that has a chart trader like Ninja's?

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 LukeGeniol 
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Is there any other platform that has a chart trader like Ninja's?

Mahlon

Give a look to Sierra Chart.

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I checked out multicharts but are missing the chart trader or DOM, maybe I need to split up programs and don't search for a one program fits all ?

I daytrade forex, mainly GBPUSD, EURJPY and EURUSD. 5 to 15 trades a day.

Thanks


Hey Metal Trade,

Check out a free program which is still early in development called Trade Project which is here: Welcome to TradeProject

It has a DOM, Chart Trader and bunch of other stuff too, but as I say its early in development though.

As always, one should take caution but there is no harm in looking at it for reference.

Currently it only has broker/data support for IB, but Daniel has said he will release a IQFeed-interface in one of the next versions.

Although it is a free program, it is unfortunately not Opensource, which would have been good for others to become extensively involved and although, I myself dont actually run the program as my main program, I do take the time to help what I call one of the underdogs by doing some testing and submitting any bugs whenever I come across them.

So for all you IB or IQ feed users out there, check it out and I encourage you to participate.

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Give a look to Sierra Chart.

Luke.

I downloaded and installed SC about 3 weeks ago, but got busy and never activated it. On Monday I sent an email requesting activation and they replied that my 2 week trial had expired and I needed to buy the program. I got mad and replied asking them how they figured I used my 2 week trial when it wasn't even activated? They replied stating that they had extended my trial. I was still mad and replied that I had already removed it and wouldn't need the trial, thanks anyway. That said, I should probably swallow my pride and try it because it is so reasonable. Before I take such drastic measures, may I ask if it has ATM capabilities and can you create custom paint bar studies? Thank you.

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 LukeGeniol 
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....................................... Before I take such drastic measures, may I ask if it has ATM capabilities and can you create custom paint bar studies? Thank you.

There are many orders functionality, but I nerver looked into them, only tried some basic chart trading orders, cos I used it for charting not for trading, but i think on SC web pages u will find well documentation, and if u post on support board u will receive fast response, this especially for custom bar painting that i dunno if is possible, I never see a custom study with paint bar.

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TT's XTrader is the owner of the DOM patent. They are expensive and excellent imo. But I use NT v7 b18 and it is fine w/ execution at IB. I have a Fios connection 25/15.

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 jdfagan 
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definitely use the memory hack to up it to > 2GB RAM memory barrier via the LARGEADDRESSAWARE option from editbin (tool from Visual Studio 2010/2008). That helps out a lot and is first thing I do after upgrading to latest NT 6.5.1000.x version (any update will blow away the memory patch so you'll need to re-apply it).

Re: NT 7 - its still beta so I don't trust it fully for real live trading yet. Although I truly like the auto-merge capability of NT 7. Make sure you have that capability in a new platform - merging contracts manually via NT 6.5 is such a time waster.

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I downloaded and installed SC about 3 weeks ago, but got busy and never activated it. On Monday I sent an email requesting activation and they replied that my 2 week trial had expired and I needed to buy the program. I got mad and replied asking them how they figured I used my 2 week trial when it wasn't even activated? They replied stating that they had extended my trial. I was still mad and replied that I had already removed it and wouldn't need the trial, thanks anyway. That said, I should probably swallow my pride and try it because it is so reasonable. Before I take such drastic measures, may I ask if it has ATM capabilities and can you create custom paint bar studies? Thank you.

Just now read this thread...

Vegafoster, yes they have the ATM capabilities. Sierra calls it Attached Orders.

Sierra support can occasionally be curt, but they are very responsive. Tact goes a long way with them.

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Before I went with my current broker, I did extensive research into all my options. One option which was near the top of my list was Velocity futures with free X_Trader. Could be a good option for those using Multicharts.

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I have a automated strategy programmed in NT also, but it's no problem to reprogram this in another program.

I'm looking for a replacement, please if you have any ideas.

Thanks

MetalTrade, I too have been using NT7b20 only for strategy development at this point. I am interested in a platform (other than NT) that will support automated trading of my system. Also, have heard some things about virtual machines so would appreciate if people have opinions on how to get that going too. Cheers,

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MetalTrade, I too have been using NT7b20 only for strategy development at this point. I am interested in a platform (other than NT) that will support automated trading of my system. Also, have heard some things about virtual machines so would appreciate if people have opinions on how to get that going too. Cheers,

G&M

Here is what I use on my Win7 x64 machine: VMware Player: Run Windows 7, Chrome OS - Free Download for a Virtual PC
I've been using it a few years now and quite pleased with it. They also have a utility that will create a virtual machine image of any existing installation, so you could clone your current OS and run two separate instances at once. You'll need a lot of HD space though, but you can store the virtual machine image anywhere, even on an external or network drive.
I always use this when I upgrade my OS. I create a virtual machine image of the old PC, then do fresh install of my new one. Then I can still have access to my old computer from within my new installation.

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MetalTrade, I too have been using NT7b20 only for strategy development at this point. I am interested in a platform (other than NT) that will support automated trading of my system. Also, have heard some things about virtual machines so would appreciate if people have opinions on how to get that going too. Cheers,

G&M

You can also take a look at VirtualBox, which is also free. On of the advantage of VirtualBox vs VMPlayer is its ability to run on Linux and MacOSX.
I've using VirtualBox for several years without big problems with it. That was not the same story with VMWare entry level products, but it's maybe much better now.

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Thanks Slipnot, This is important but what I'm really looking for is someone who is using VM for an automated trading system as well as an alternate for NT that I could use to autotrade.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

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Thanks Slipnot, This is important but what I'm really looking for is someone who is using VM for an automated trading system as well as an alternate for NT that I could use to autotrade.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

G&M

For what it's worth, if you just want to use one PC, I wouldn't trade live automated within a VM. I suspect that you may get occasional tick delays, and depending on your data vendor, occasional disconnects. I think this is when the OS gives a little more priority to your real PC than the VM, and holds up network receive or whatever. I may be wrong on that, but I suspect it.

What does work very well, on a high spec PC, is to run all your live automated on your real PC, and do all your backtesting, development etc on Ninja in a VM.

Unfortunately I don't have experience of running an alternative to NT.

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For what it's worth, if you just want to use one PC, I wouldn't trade live automated within a VM. I suspect that you may get occasional tick delays, and depending on your data vendor, occasional disconnects. I think this is when the OS gives a little more priority to your real PC than the VM, and holds up network receive or whatever. I may be wrong on that, but I suspect it.

What does work very well, on a high spec PC, is to run all your live automated on your real PC, and do all your backtesting, development etc on Ninja in a VM.

Unfortunately I don't have experience of running an alternative to NT.

I do not agree, I run parallels on a mac pro 8 core xeon cpu's. I don't get any tick delays or disconnects.

In the virtual machine you set that you give priority to the VM instead of the host system. On the other hand, I'm talking about the host os being MAC OS X SNOW LEOPARD, the most advanced true 64bit OS based on the FreeBSD, a Unix compliant open source linux distro. Rock solid and razor blade fast.

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Yes, it may well be having a Unix host makes a difference. I did try and give priority to the VM, but I seem to remember it being difficult to give it more than the host. It also may be the tolerence of my broker and geographical position of my PC pushed things over an edge. Zen Fire and London.

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It's not Unix who make the difference, VM works fine with Windows server based machines (Windows XP 64, Windows Server 2003/2008/2008R2). The main point is you need to get the good processors, paravirtualization ready.


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Yes, it may well be having a Unix host makes a difference. I did try and give priority to the VM, but I seem to remember it being difficult to give it more than the host. It also may be the tolerence of my broker and geographical position of my PC pushed things over an edge. Zen Fire and London.


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I agree.

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It's not Unix who make the difference, VM works fine with Windows server based machines (Windows XP 64, Windows Server 2003/2008/2008R2). The main point is you need to get the good processors, paravirtualization ready.

Maybe. All I know is I got it in VM, but not in the host. Same PC, very good processor (i7 920) and 12GB RAM, CPU rarely > 10%.

You could well be right, but having used Unix and Windows for 25 years now, I know whose process scheduling I would trust more.

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