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Hi guys,

It is my pleasure to welcome Raymond Deux (Founder of NinjaTrader) on Wednesday, May 3rd @ 4:30 PM Eastern US for an "Ask Me Anything" (AMA) event.

Ray always does an excellent job with answering questions from members, so be sure to attend and get your questions answered live during the event!

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Respectfully, I do not have the time right now to sift through the webinar, but to anyone that did, were there questions about NT8 stability (see for reference) and were they addressed by Raymond?

Thanks to anyone that takes the time to respond.

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I was unable to attend live but listened to the recording today. To be honest i was disappointed ; little to nothing was asked or mentioned on stability and the questions were very basic and perhaps mostly newbies attended ; it seemed few who attended and asked questions have had in depth use of this since beta (from what i could tell and from what questions were asked - perhaps not everyones question was asked ?) : it was more like a basic review of Ninja and some of the standard features. For anyone monitoring the Ninja forum the questions and context did not reflect what is being reported in the forum. I will say i am seeing improvement with the latest .6 release. That does not mean to say contentious and frustrating issues need to be addressed in detail but there is a balance and i dont feel there is much transparency being conveyed. It has been noted elsewhere in this forum some of the issues with OnRender() and performance and stability and these are improving but not all has been fixed ; unfortunately custom scripts and coders are to blame - but this cant be so when you look through the bug lists of the releases coming out.

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i did listen to parts of it recorded. I have not been actively trading on Ninja simply as when i started with Ninja7...it took me time to setup and was live. Then have slowly started cutting over some of my stuff to Ninja8. for me to use something is a long process and i do not anticipate using either ninja8 for active trade management next 6-12 odd months till everything i need on ninja8 is cutover from my indicator/analysis perspective. I do however have live logins for both platforms but will not be trading much on it. what i like about ninja is the no frills support i have been getting. email response is awesome and if i need remote help it's a phone call away.

My active trading on Ninja starts as soon as 100% of my stuff is cut over. my applications on Ninja8 over last few releases have been pretty stable.

having said the above.... i am super impressed about the capabilities on Ninja8. I am awestruck to say the least. I cannot share what i do....but if someone does work on OF there is tons of stuff under the hood. I also to love tick replay.

i have a couple questions though since i saw the webinar and was not sure on some of the things. I am using the Direct edition currently but can cutover anytime to a full paid version.

My Questions:-
1) Can i still be connected to Ninja Brokerage and get my Datafeed thru Continuum.....but route an Order to a TDAmeritrade/TOS IRA.

2) Is there some feature coming like Tick Replay for Market Depth. Could the platform store Level 2 ..or Depth Data. That would be something spectacular if possible either using something in the cloud or local.

3) I am a bracket trader simply as i dont trade fulltime. I hear lot of stuff on OCO's. My question if one is using the full paid version of Ninjatrader. Once an Market order is filled and an OCO is submitted....can the PC be shutdown such that orders auto execute according to set Stop/Limit of the bracketed OCO.

many thanks...cheers !! on a amazing platform. I am sure an issues will be resolved such that all are happy with performance

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This thread highlights opinion of NT8 from a number of users who try to use anything other than basic functionality:

Trying to avoid NT8 crashes - Page 3 - NinjaTrader Support Forum

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I'm stunned by all the problems and count myself very grateful for not having any issues. For the first time since buying my license in 2011 I've now been able to run 4 charts on 9-11 (over 50 charts total) markets plus run Jigsaw tools and a few other basic range tools all on the one machine. Well done Ninjatrader, cheers!

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Ice has priced $US DX out of value for many small traders. Is there a good proxy for $US so traders can use it against the 6's (6A, B, ...)

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I watched the replay.
Around 6 months ago I installed and tried to begin to migrate my NT7 Setup (user of 5 yrs) and rapidly reached the conclusion not any time soon, for a combination of points made already here above and on the NT8 Forum thread posted.
Those were, and, having revisited the thread posted above and to summarize, remain:
- those on the thread and other threads, who have substantial experience, are in the main still of the opinion that the product is not yet fit-for-purpose/general release as a commercial product
- Support's handling of problems reported is sub-par
- some third-party developers have experienced difficulties transitioning to 8. The gist of it seems to be Ninja says the developers are in error, developers say they identify problems Ninja have not or deny, and have not communicated/documented/given guidance. Not for me to comment, other than it isn't pretty and serves no one as Ninja, vendors and end-users are all stakeholders in a successful outcome

The AMA was 'fair enough' and as commented on - the event was for Ninja to put it out there and interested parties to ask questions, which were largely about features and functionality and addressed well.

The event apparently didn't attract anyone to attend and ask about the product's development problems still being experienced and whether it is in fact ready for market and should currently be being presented as such at such an event.
The number of users experiencing no difficulties and highly satisfied with NT8 may far exceed those on the thread posted above.

Having stimulated me to take another look, I'm no more encouraged to re-start migration, and maintain a watching brief meantime.

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Ice has priced $US DX out of value for many small traders. Is there a good proxy for $US so traders can use it against the 6's (6A, B, ...)

Hi jmont1:

Was there any response or suggestion yet so far?

Thx

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Hi jmont1:

Was there any response or suggestion yet so far?

Thx

Perhaps CME Bloomberg Dollar Spot Index.

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@shuglu & @vont, thanks for the follow up. So far no luck.

Tried to find BBDXY on my NT8 Rithmic or my NT Continuum feed but no luck.

Thanks for trying tho.

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@shuglu & @vont, thanks for the follow up. So far no luck.

Tried to find BBDXY on my NT8 Rithmic or my NT Continuum feed but no luck.

Thanks for trying tho.

The best proxy may be an inverse correlation.....perhaps the yen or euro....depends on the time of day ...etc.

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The best proxy may be an inverse correlation.....perhaps the yen or euro....depends on the time of day ...etc.

@xiaosi, yes I have thought about that. And the DX that most people use is heavily weighted to the 6E Euro. So that may be my best option. Wonder how a combination of EURO, GC and perhaps ZB would correlate. Not aware of any indicator that can combined more than one to create a custom "instrument."

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@xiaosi, yes I have thought about that. And the DX that most people use is heavily weighted to the 6E Euro. So that may be my best option. Wonder how a combination of EURO, GC and perhaps ZB would correlate. Not aware of any indicator that can combined more than one to create a custom "instrument."

Perhaps this indicator.

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Perhaps this indicator.

Hi Shuglu:

How long have you been using this?

What are some of the practical results?

Profitable?

Thx Shuglu. Later

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Dear Mr. Deux,

After some detective work, some disheartening news to me:

The Optimizing feature within Ninja's Strategy Analyzer (NT7) does not function on indicators used within a BloodHound template (a 3rd party software enabling visual programming blocks to quickly backtest based on limitless combination of indicators/parameters)..

I am told that NinjaTrader does not currently have the capability to manipulate indicator settings or values used within another indicator, nor does it have the ability to alter settings used in the Bloodhound Solvers.

Optimization is limited to Raven with the number of contracts, profit target and stop loss positions.

Until the moment this post was written, BlackBird (Strategy manager from the same company) cannot be optimized through the NT Optimizer.

I'll keep looking and will report back when I find something else. In an ideal world, Ninja could have Jeremy Tang (Sharkindicators) or Harry "FatTails" help redesign/architect the NT8 Optimizer from the ground up in order to expose some parameters for proper optimization.

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3) I am a bracket trader simply as i dont trade fulltime. I hear lot of stuff on OCO's. My question if one is using the full paid version of Ninjatrader. Once an Market order is filled and an OCO is submitted....can the PC be shutdown such that orders auto execute according to set Stop/Limit of the bracketed OCO.

I also would like to know if OCO orders on NinjaTrader 8 are kept on their trade servers for execution.

Thanks!

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3)

I also would like to know if OCO orders on NinjaTrader 8 are kept on their trade servers for execution.

Thanks!

It is important to understand that all orders submitted by NinjaTrader rest at the exchange. With the exception of NinjaTrader's implementation of Rithmic and FOREX.com, OCO links are managed by the broker or ISV servers meaning, you can shut down NinjaTrader and orders and OCO will remain working.

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hey how do I extend the 1 minute time frame range. Is that possible?

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hey how do I extend the 1 minute time frame range. Is that possible?

Can you please clarify your question, thanks.

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Can you please clarify your question, thanks.

I want the 1 minute 30 days chart under a single view without needing to scroll left and right. can i do that?

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I want the 1 minute 30 days chart under a single view without needing to scroll left and right. can i do that?

Compressing that many 1-min candlesticks into a single view is constrained by the size of your screen.


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Hi
Would like to know if you plan to stream live RTY data for demo accounts since RTY has a good liquidity now on GLOBEX.

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Hi
Would like to know if you plan to stream live RTY data for demo accounts since RTY has a good liquidity now on GLOBEX.

Yes, not ETA at this time.

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Hey NT.. quick question

its been about 8 years you guys got a ticked for the developers to add spreads, even the exchange has bundled up stuff to make it easier but you guys brushed that off and were like who cares.. as matter of a fact forget about exchange spreads, I can't even go and plot a synthetic chart let alone a exchange or even stock pair.. crazy.. 2017 people.

What do you think, can we get you guys to commit to include a simple way to get some synthetic charts the very next roll?? I mean really.

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PS: You guys are killing me.

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Hey NT.. quick question

its been about 8 years you guys got a ticked for the developers to add spreads, even the exchange has bundled up stuff to make it easier but you guys brushed that off and were like who cares.. as matter of a fact forget about exchange spreads, I can't even go and plot a synthetic chart let alone a exchange or even stock pair.. crazy.. 2017 people.

What do you think, can we get you guys to commit to include a simple way to get some synthetic charts the very next roll?? I mean really.

Thanks.

PS: You guys are killing me.

Yes, this feature has forever been on our list of enhancements to consider. Unfortunately there has never been sufficient demand to float it to the top of the most wanted list.

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Yes, this feature has forever been on our list of enhancements to consider. Unfortunately there has never been sufficient demand to float it to the top of the most wanted list.

With all do respect and without any self aggrandizing I trade millions of contracts a year in synthetic futures spreads and stocks and I'm not the only one so don't talk to me about float. You build it and I will show up, you don't then you get $0.

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I'm not sure how you guys are wanting to market NinjaTrader. From a developer stand point, it seems you just put your platform out there and hope people would just use it even with the lack of futures/forex broker selections. There's literally 1 forex broker to choose from (and their spread is absolutely atrocious).

I feel like the NinjaTrader platform lacks a strong community of developers and traders. Sure, you have a giant of list of vendors, but many of the sites listed are outdated or dead. The connection to developers and traders are fragmented. It's hard to know which developers/indicators are still active or offer any support at all. Have you guys ever thought of creating a centralized market place for NinjaTrader like an app store, something similar to MetaTrader Market place? I could see stuff like: indicators, strategies, robots, templates, skins, customizations, etc. Just having a market place can attract more 3rd-party developers and retail traders to support and try the platform.

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I'm not sure how you guys are wanting to market NinjaTrader. From a developer stand point, it seems you just put your platform out there and hope people would just use it even with the lack of futures/forex broker selections. There's literally 1 forex broker to choose from (and their spread is absolutely atrocious).

I feel like the NinjaTrader platform lacks a strong community of developers and traders. Sure, you have a giant of list of vendors, but many of the sites listed are outdated or dead. The connection to developers and traders are fragmented. It's hard to know which developers/indicators are still active or offer any support at all. Have you guys ever thought of creating a centralized market place for NinjaTrader like an app store, something similar to MetaTrader Market place? I could see stuff like: indicators, strategies, robots, templates, skins, customizations, etc. Just having a market place can attract more 3rd-party developers and retail traders to support and try the platform.

Thank for your thoughts.

We are looking to expand our forex brokerage support, to that end, I am travelling to London this November specifically to the London Finance Magnates show which is a trade show focused on FX. With respect to a market place, we are launching an overhauled https://www.ninjatraderecosystem.com/ within the next month which will be product centric allowing users to search and filter for add ons including those mentioned in the list you provided.

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Thank for your thoughts.

We are looking to expand our forex brokerage support, to that end, I am travelling to London this November specifically to the London Finance Magnates show which is a trade show focused on FX. With respect to a market place, we are launching an overhauled https://www.ninjatraderecosystem.com/ within the next month which will be product centric allowing users to search and filter for add ons including those mentioned in the list you provided.

The new ecosystem is great to hear about! I hope you guys are able to eliminate most/all of the snake oil vendors from your list. I absolutely love Ninja for what I use it for, but quite a few traders I know were turned off by Ninja because of the many knuckleheads in the ecosystem (guilt by association, I'm guessing)...

(By the way, last year in September 2016 I echoed most of these comments to your business development guy Jared M)

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I would be good if you as an FX broker would include direct API connection as well . Without the need to go thru Ninjatrader trading application even if that might be your main focus which is understandable. The market is bigger then just Ninjatrader users. And even if I have used Ninjatrader since 2004 I also use other platforms and systems.

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Please add the capability to optimize parameters from Bloodhound/Blackbird (Sharkindicators) strategies.


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Dear Mr. Deux,

Please confirm that NT8 plans to enable incorporating Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning compatibility to your platform’s backtesting architecture.

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We are looking to expand our forex brokerage support, to that end, I am travelling to London this November specifically to the London Finance Magnates show which is a trade show focused on FX.

If you make a deal with LMAX it would be great or enter into business with LMAX like Introducing Broker.

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Dear Mr. Deux,

Please confirm that NT8 plans to enable incorporating Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning compatibility to your platform’s backtesting architecture.

I can confirm that this is on our list of feature enhancements for future consideration.

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Dear Mr. Deux,

Thank you for your reply.

Although timely, it has a sufficiently nebulous and non-commital tone which falls short or being completely reassuring. Should we expect this being rolled out/implemented on Q4 (2017) or Q1 (2018)?

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Dear Mr. Deux,

Thank you for your reply.

Although timely, it has a sufficiently nebulous and non-commital tone which falls short or being completely reassuring. Should we expect this being rolled out/implemented on Q4 (2017) or Q1 (2018)?

Sorry for the delay, I was out of the office for the past several days. You are correct in your interpretation, there is not commitment at this time. Its on our list of possible future enhancements.

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Have question regarding (London Finance Magnates)whether you succeeded negotiate a deal.

I don't have anything to report at this time with respect to new FX brokerage options for NinjaTrader.

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Hi Ray @NinjaTrader .... Ninjatrader has everything a trader might need. I think it's a brilliant platform as is with ninja7 which becomes a powerhouse with Ninja8. Have 2 questions..or thoughts..

1. I know in past you have mentioned that EOLife for ninja7 maybe years. I have a request if Ninja7 can be permanently used for analysis and execution if a trader chooses...with the understanding that new development will only be ninja8. Am a power user with TS but I choose to keep myself on version 9.1 whereas TS versions keep spinning. It's taken 1.5 to 2 yrs to get my ninja7 version to where it is today. Have started looking at Ninja8 but recreation of everything on 7 to 8 is few yrs in the making. But if I get word from Ninja that 7 will always be available for analysis and execution then only new development can be focussed and pursued on Ninja8 rather than recreate everything on 8. Any help on this will be great.

2. Always wanted to get a glimpse into Indian futures market. I know Ninjatrader was working on data. Any idea or pointer how to get tick by tick data into Ninjatrader for the Indian futures market. Not interested what they call level1,2,3..rather want tick by tick.

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NT has 2 partners from India which offer real-time data from NSE futures.From january this year started (GDF) Global Data Feeds only for NT8 NimbleNT - Tick Charts for NinjaTrader 8 (32 and 64 bit) - and much more. When they started first moth was free the api has some bugs.I have used volume bars. DOM execution and chart trader execution was blocked when i try to submit an order in SIM.
2. is truedata.in
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1. I know in past you have mentioned that EOLife for ninja7 maybe years. I have a request if Ninja7 can be permanently used for analysis and execution if a trader chooses...with the understanding that new development will only be ninja8. Am a power user with TS but I choose to keep myself on version 9.1 whereas TS versions keep spinning. It's taken 1.5 to 2 yrs to get my ninja7 version to where it is today. Have started looking at Ninja8 but recreation of everything on 7 to 8 is few yrs in the making. But if I get word from Ninja that 7 will always be available for analysis and execution then only new development can be focussed and pursued on Ninja8 rather than recreate everything on 8. Any help on this will be great.

Hi paps,

I can't guarantee permanent but we have no plans to EOL NinjaTrader 7 at this time. As an example, people can and still use NinjaTrader 6.5, almost eight years after we released NinjaTrader 7.

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Sorry for the delay, I was out of the office for the past several days. You are correct in your interpretation, there is not commitment at this time. Its on our list of possible future enhancements.



With the benefit of almost five months since the last reply to this post, can you now provide a concrete inception time to enable ML/AI backtesting compatibility with NT8?


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With the benefit of almost five months since the last reply to this post, can you now provide a concrete inception time to enable ML/AI backtesting compatibility with NT8?


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Watched about 17 min so far....

Very basic. But good.....

I would just like to point out you can create a template for alert actions that make it much easier to make Alerts very fast.

I think this should of been mentioned. Just right click in the Alerts action section.

The one I use the most is set as Default so its always there and it shares a message to Twitter ..sends a email (this email address sends me a text) ... and plays a sound.

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Please forgive me for these next comments.....

But wow ...hard to believe some of these question. So very basic ...seems folks need to spend way more time exploring NT8.

For example: you can copy any indicator or drawing tool (or whatever for that matter) and make your own copy of it with any name you want..... mainly talking about drawing tools here... and then set up a diff hotkey just for that new tool... So if you want a horizontal line color red on F6 and a horizontal line color blue on F7 no problem.

Get one of these Designing, Manufacturing, Selling, and Supporting Specialized Computer Interface Devices

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I hate that I missed the webinar live (I watched it on replay), but I do have a question and I figured I would punt it out here because it is more of a feature request than anything else. With all the recent emphasis on level 2, Bid/ Ask data (version 12 does a great job adding new features in this regard) is there anyway we can get this data sped up and delivered a little faster?

Specifically what I mean is that the OnBarUpdate methods of GetCurrentBidVolume() and GetCurrentAsk() volume are still front running the OnMarketDepth volume updates by a considerable margin. So If I am tracking the volume on a specific bid price for example and this bid price is also the current bid... The OnBarUpdate method of GetCurrentBidVolume() will be ahead of what occurs using level 2 OnMarketDepth Volume update by anywhere from half a second to five seconds.

For example: Here we are tracking the same bid and ask price in both the OnBarUpdate and the OnMarketDepth.
In sequence it will often look like this:


Time:12:00: On Bar Update: GetCurrentBidVolume() = 100 GetCurrentAskVolume() = 50
Time: 12:00: OnMarketDepth Volume Updates: Bid Volume= 90 Ask Volume = 40
Time: 12:00: OnMarketDepth Volume Updates: Bid Volume= 95 Ask Volume = 45
Time: 12:01: OnMarketDepth Volume Updates: Bid Volume=100 Ask Volume = 50

So in this example the Bar will print a bid volume of 100 and ask volume of 50 during the OnBarUpdate, at this time the OnMarketDepth will show the volume at Bid = 90 and Ask = 50. After a few more updates to the level 2 data, this will finally show the same Bid = 100 and Ask = 50 that we observed 1 second earlier with the OnBarUpdate.

The lag here is around half a second up to 5 seconds typically with the GetCurrentBidVolume() always running ahead. Ideally there would be zero lag and these two events would occur at the same time, but the level 2 data would capture more granularity.

This may not be as much of a concern for chart traders but for high speed algo traders that model with level 2 data we are constantly lagging behind what is occurring and this impacts order execution speed.

Is this something that could be addressed in future releases or is this lagging by design in such a way that it would not ever be possible to sync up?

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I"m not sure about anyone else but I'm super stocked about the new orderflow tools... How do I get them!!!! I already have a lifetime license !! I would like to play with the tools first before I make any comments.. thx

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Hi,

Do you know when volume profile indicator will be available in NT8? in this post, Ray said it would be available in R13 release, but I think it's not.
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Hi,

Do you know when volume profile indicator will be available in NT8? in this post, Ray said it would be available in R13 release, but I think it's not.
https://ninjatrader.com/support/forum/showthread.php?t=107060

I would say sometime in May in either R14 or R15.

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Hello @NinjaTrader

I did install Ninjtrader 8 in early 2017 and when asked i did convert/import my Ninjatrader datas from version 7. The inslaller did it automatically. However, i am now ready to use version 8 but would like to know if i can instruct or force the latest installer to redo the import of my Ninjatrader 7. Should i just uninstall my old version of Ninjatrader 8 or do i need to play in the registry to force the inslaller to import my datas from version 7?

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Hello @NinjaTrader

I did install Ninjtrader 8 in early 2017 and when asked i did convert/import my Ninjatrader datas from version 7. The inslaller did it automatically. However, i am now ready to use version 8 but would like to know if i can instruct or force the latest installer to redo the import of my Ninjatrader 7. Should i just uninstall my old version of Ninjatrader 8 or do i need to play in the registry to force the inslaller to import my datas from version 7?

Yes, uninstall NinjaTrader 8 plus manually delete the folder "My Documents\NinjaTrader 8" then re-install the latest version of NinjaTrader 8.

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Dear Mr. Deux,

Can you please enable a “Dollar Bar” option in NT8?

I will gladly provide the bibliography supporting it’s increasing adoption/usefulness in the quantitative world. If NT supports every conceivable Renko/Kagi variation, it should support Dollar bars.

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Dear Mr. Deux,

Can you please enable a “Dollar Bar” option in NT8?

I will gladly provide the bibliography supporting it’s increasing adoption/usefulness in the quantitative world. If NT supports every conceivable Renko/Kagi variation, it should support Dollar bars.

Thank you in advance.

Thanks for the suggestion. Never heard of them myself. Please go ahead and send me any links you may have, I will forward to our product management team for future consideration.

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If you provide a direct email, I will gladly forward additional documentation.

You can send to me via PM through this forum.

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please update the timeline on the:

Order Flow Volume Profile indicator (R14 or R15 release)
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please update the timeline on the:

Order Flow Volume Profile indicator (R14 or R15 release)
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R15 release expected 4 to 6 weeks from now.

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R15 release expected 4 to 6 weeks from now.

Thanks, Raymond,

I use NT7 daily and am preparing to move over to NT8

As a user of Gomi tools, I see a difference in the CD between his and yours in NT8. I use Gomi's CD in my trading every day because it's very accurate at displaying what I use it for. I'm not seeing the same information displayed in the NT8 CD.

I have been also using the volumetric bars and they are in sympathy with what Gomi's CD is displaying, hence why I have brought this to your attention.

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Thanks, Raymond,

I use NT7 daily and am preparing to move over to NT8

As a user of Gomi tools, I see a difference in the CD between his and yours in NT8. I use Gomi's CD in my trading every day because it's very accurate at displaying what I use it for. I'm not seeing the same information displayed in the NT8 CD.

I have been also using the volumetric bars and they are in sympathy with what Gomi's CD is displaying, hence why I have brought this to your attention.

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There likely is a configuration issue that you can work with our technical support team to help identify. Considering cumulative delta is configured properly using tick data + same input data then would in general expect similar output.

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Hi,
could you add Baca Sella for trading?

https://www.sella.it/banca-online/trader/piattaforme-di-negoziazione/sella-trading-bridge-api.jsp

Banca Sella has many external trading platform connect to their trading bridge, like Multicharts and other.

NinjaTrader offers to trade Italian stocks only by InteractiveBrokers.

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R15 release expected 4 to 6 weeks from now.

Hi Raymond,

Any further updates on volume profile release date for NT8?

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Hi Raymond,

Any further updates on volume profile release date for NT8?

thank you

Yes, we are targeting late next week.

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Hello Raymond,

In the event that an official release version of your platform, employed by a trader or fund for trading live accounts, would be malfunctioning and the sole reason for skewing the actual results and subsequently the outcome thereof. How would you handle the situation in regards to the risk your various customers would be exposed to? And what is your policy to mitigate such risk?

A simplified example would be an error free tick feed entering an error free indicator producing the 'actual' result but the very same indicator instantiated through a strategy (to make trading decisions) give a skewed/distorted result due to malfunctioning of the platform.

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Hello Raymond,

In the event that an official release version of your platform, employed by a trader or fund for trading live accounts, would be malfunctioning and the sole reason for skewing the actual results and subsequently the outcome thereof. How would you handle the situation in regards to the risk your various customers would be exposed to? And what is your policy to mitigate such risk?

A simplified example would be an error free tick feed entering an error free indicator producing the 'actual' result but the very same indicator instantiated through a strategy (to make trading decisions) give a skewed/distorted result due to malfunctioning of the platform.

Jesse,

Any issue that is deemed to have widespread impact would be memorialized here (https://ninjatrader.com/Advisory) and communicated through various means including but not limited to in product pop up announcements and email.

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hi Raymond @NinjaTrader

I love the platform Ninja7 and Ninja8 and use it for very cutting edge analytics. But i am also a very very heavy user of Tradestation. I would like to know your thoughts on the below and how you can help the end user on Ninjatrader. For that I need to give you a slight background so that your thoughts can be understood by me.

I am not a developer. So my indicators to market conditions have always been developed or bought from a software vendor. I have a few indicators on my Tradestation platform which I am able to use though the vendors I have bought them from have closed shop as they may no longer be in business or have themselves passed away. However since these indicators are locked by what Tradestation calls them .ELDs I am able to use these indicators though the vendors are not there. I am also able to use these indicators on a different PC if my current PC crashes or stops working. This is possible as the Tradestation indicators are LOCKED by End User Customer IDs....and the user is not inconvenienced if a vendor no longer exists. Tradestation Customer IDs are unique and you cannot have 2 machines with similar customer Ids per my knowledge. So much for the background.

Coming to my question on Ninjatrader. I have a indicator bought from a vendor on Ninja7. My current PC is almost dead on which I use them. I have tried to contact the vendor using numerous emails but they are bouncing which tells me the vendor may have closed shop for whatever reason. Since the end customers Ninja indicators are tied by Machine Ids and not necessarily any other method...a Ninja user who has payed for the indicator is inconvenienced and has to totally stop using the indicator and is held by what the status of a vendors business is at that point when they are contacted. What advice is there for users faced with this kind of problem. Is the user able to contact Ninjatrader such that Ninja decodes and builds the user a same indicator?. If not can Ninjatrader think of ways and puts to immediate action a plan/roadmap where no future end customer is inconvenienced due to a vendor closing shop at the sametime ensuring that vendor is also totally protected. I contacted my own Ninja developer who said sorry boss you are tied to the vendor you bought from...they closed shop you cannot do anything....sorry for your loss.

For very serious traders this needs to be thought off. Trading is a serious business. It may also be a legacy business where all IP of trading is passed on. However with the Ninjatrader current platform this does not seem to be the case.

I would greatly appreciate your thoughts, guidance and rectification if needed in cases similar to this.

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Hi Raymond,

Any further updates on volume profile release date for NT8?

thank you

We just released R15 which includes the Volume Profile indicator and drawing tool.

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hi Raymond @NinjaTrader

I love the platform Ninja7 and Ninja8 and use it for very cutting edge analytics. But i am also a very very heavy user of Tradestation. I would like to know your thoughts on the below and how you can help the end user on Ninjatrader. For that I need to give you a slight background so that your thoughts can be understood by me.

I am not a developer. So my indicators to market conditions have always been developed or bought from a software vendor. I have a few indicators on my Tradestation platform which I am able to use though the vendors I have bought them from have closed shop as they may no longer be in business or have themselves passed away. However since these indicators are locked by what Tradestation calls them .ELDs I am able to use these indicators though the vendors are not there. I am also able to use these indicators on a different PC if my current PC crashes or stops working. This is possible as the Tradestation indicators are LOCKED by End User Customer IDs....and the user is not inconvenienced if a vendor no longer exists. Tradestation Customer IDs are unique and you cannot have 2 machines with similar customer Ids per my knowledge. So much for the background.

Coming to my question on Ninjatrader. I have a indicator bought from a vendor on Ninja7. My current PC is almost dead on which I use them. I have tried to contact the vendor using numerous emails but they are bouncing which tells me the vendor may have closed shop for whatever reason. Since the end customers Ninja indicators are tied by Machine Ids and not necessarily any other method...a Ninja user who has payed for the indicator is inconvenienced and has to totally stop using the indicator and is held by what the status of a vendors business is at that point when they are contacted. What advice is there for users faced with this kind of problem. Is the user able to contact Ninjatrader such that Ninja decodes and builds the user a same indicator?. If not can Ninjatrader think of ways and puts to immediate action a plan/roadmap where no future end customer is inconvenienced due to a vendor closing shop at the sametime ensuring that vendor is also totally protected. I contacted my own Ninja developer who said sorry boss you are tied to the vendor you bought from...they closed shop you cannot do anything....sorry for your loss.

For very serious traders this needs to be thought off. Trading is a serious business. It may also be a legacy business where all IP of trading is passed on. However with the Ninjatrader current platform this does not seem to be the case.

I would greatly appreciate your thoughts, guidance and rectification if needed in cases similar to this.

thanks

Hi paps,

Thanks for reaching out.

Notwithstanding the fact that NinjaTrader is not a party to a licensing agreement between a customer and vendor nor are we privy to the relationship between a customer and vendor, a vendor’s product is not a NinjaTrader product and thus we have no legal authority to provide access to it. Furthermore, decompiling and distributing protected software is intellectual property theft.

With respect to licensing, it falls on the discretion of the vendor to select a solution to secure their products. While the use of machine ID is one such solution that a lot of vendors choose, many vendors implement various alternate approaches. My point is that licensing is in the control of the vendor and not NinjaTrader.

I understand the concern you have and we are working on technology that as a side benefit could yet offer a licensing approach like what you have described with TradeStation, although this approach assumes that TradeStation would never change your Customer ID. There is no ETA on this as of this post.

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Thanks @NinjaTrader Raymond. We would ideally like to use Ninja as a platform till the platform remains and not necessarily the vendor. Any development like you mentioned will be off great use to a serious trader..well at least to me.

am guessing this kind of request is rare or seldom and hence the question of a tying licensing to a better approach may not have been raised before.

either ways thnx for yr reply. appreciate it.



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Hi paps,

Thanks for reaching out.

Notwithstanding the fact that NinjaTrader is not a party to a licensing agreement between a customer and vendor nor are we privy to the relationship between a customer and vendor, a vendor’s product is not a NinjaTrader product and thus we have no legal authority to provide access to it. Furthermore, decompiling and distributing protected software is intellectual property theft.

With respect to licensing, it falls on the discretion of the vendor to select a solution to secure their products. While the use of machine ID is one such solution that a lot of vendors choose, many vendors implement various alternate approaches. My point is that licensing is in the control of the vendor and not NinjaTrader.

I understand the concern you have and we are working on technology that as a side benefit could yet offer a licensing approach like what you have described with TradeStation, although this approach assumes that TradeStation would never change your Customer ID. There is no ETA on this as of this post.


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Thanks @NinjaTrader Raymond. We would ideally like to use Ninja as a platform till the platform remains and not necessarily the vendor. Any development like you mentioned will be off great use to a serious trader..well at least to me.

am guessing this kind of request is rare or seldom and hence the question of a tying licensing to a better approach may not have been raised before.

either ways thnx for yr reply. appreciate it.

Are there 3rd party decompilers for Ninja, like there is for Tradestation?

If so, you could purchase these NT locked indicators, with the express condition that if the vendor goes out of business or stops supporting the indicators, the purchaser has the right to get it "unlocked."

Not an ideal solution, but at least then you'd be legal (I think)...

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Thanks Kevin @kevindog

I am not sure.....and have no immediate wish to decompile and am not a developer so have no idea.

I use TS and have never been inconvenienced where I use some cutting edge stuff and vendor has closed shop and hence wanted to raise this issue with Ninjatrader as a platform. There are at times we buy stuff....and I feel there seems to be much more retail who are using and have never voiced this concern. I saw a problem where XYZ vendor is not reachable at all and thought should at least try to improve the process if possible and if platform and vendors would like to keep end user in mind. And if not that is also okay...we just are then aware off and would definitely not pour money small or big into indicator vendors.


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Are there 3rd party decompilers for Ninja, like there is for Tradestation?

If so, you could purchase these NT locked indicators, with the express condition that if the vendor goes out of business or stops supporting the indicators, the purchaser has the right to get it "unlocked."

Not an ideal solution, but at least then you'd be legal (I think)...


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Are there 3rd party decompilers for Ninja, like there is for Tradestation?

If so, you could purchase these NT locked indicators, with the express condition that if the vendor goes out of business or stops supporting the indicators, the purchaser has the right to get it "unlocked."

Not an ideal solution, but at least then you'd be legal (I think)...

that sounds complicated, they could just go into an escrow agreement with the source code not accessible until something happens. of course that costs money for the escrow storage.

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Hi @NinjaTrader just found this link and wanted to know does this go for existing clients as well, that currently have a lifetime license?
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Hi @NinjaTrader just found this link and wanted to know does this go for existing clients as well, that currently have a lifetime license?
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https://ninjatrader.com/August-Promo

If you mean that you are an existing software client only (no account at NinjaTrader Brokerage) then yes, per the link you provided, you would meet program requirements.

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If you mean that you are an existing software client only (no account at NinjaTrader Brokerage) then yes, per the link you provided, you would meet program requirements.

Hi and thanks for quick response No I am currently a NT Brokerage client. That's disappointing, but thanks for the info.


apologies but have to say "just like all the other players"
Like uverse,cable,cell phones if your new you get the deal but if you've already paid us/ or pay on time your not included!!

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Hi and thanks for quick response No I am currently a NT Brokerage client. That's disappointing, but thanks for the info.


apologies but have to say "just like all the other players"
Like uverse,cable,cell phones if your new you get the deal but if you've already paid us/ or pay on time your not included!!

I really don't think it's so hard to understand that a brokerage simply can't offer existing clients free trades for a month.

Your analogy is correct, cable, phone etc all want new customers. So they market and have a customer acquisition cost in mind that makes sense in line with their profit structure.

On the other hand, I do think that all customers should pay the same volume commissions across the board. To the best of my knowledge, NTB is excellent and fair in this regard. Same can't be said of other brokers who have different prices based on how much the salesperson thought they could squeeze out of you, or mislead you with hidden fees and so forth...

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It would be great if TPO charting is added in NT8, this will complete the orderflow package. Thanks for adding those wonderful orderflow tools.

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It would be great if TPO charting is added in NT8, this will complete the orderflow package. Thanks for adding those wonderful orderflow tools.

As part of the Order Flow Volume Profile indicator we have included a "Price" mode as per the following image.

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As part of the Order Flow Volume Profile indicator we have included a "Price" mode as per the following image.


Thank You, It is awesome to see a TPO chart in NT8, can you please add the flexibility to choose any letter the TPO starts with, now the default is set to A, Range Extensions, Vertical IB area option, Open marker for Each TPO, TPO splinting to individual TPO in current session and merging capability and Single's marking would enhance the current TPO
Plus to ability to add the session TPO and volume profile together side by side for the session, in one chart would be awesome.

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Thank You, It is awesome to see a TPO chart in NT8, can you please add the flexibility to choose any letter the TPO starts with, now the default is set to A, Range Extensions, Vertical IB area option, Open marker for Each TPO, TPO splinting to individual TPO in current session and merging capability and Single's marking would enhance the current TPO
Plus to ability to add the session TPO and volume profile together side by side for the session, in one chart would be awesome.

Thank You again.

Thanks, will pass along your suggestions. You can add another Order Flow Volume Profile Indicator to the Price mode chart, is this what you are after?

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Any plans to add an anchored VWAP?

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Not at this time but I have forwarded this to my product management team.

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We just released R15 which includes the Volume Profile indicator and drawing tool.

thanks for the heads up, I'll get it up and running shortly

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Market-On-Close (M)C) is defined as occurring as close to the end of market as possible. May I request information about howfuture markets handle MOC by knowing the exact timing? I.E...

NQ often trades up or down quickly at in both directions at the close.

Do you have any insight into why or how this up & down can occur all within 1 second for 15 to 50 ticks?

Do the other markets also complete MOC so quickly?

Any information would be appreciated.

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Market-On-Close (M)C) is defined as occurring as close to the end of market as possible. But it is now understood that futures "NQ" MOC trades trigger and complete at exactly 3:50:00 and lasts less than 3 seconds.

May I request information about how other future markets handle MOC by knowing the exact timing? I.E...

NQ 3:50:00
ES ?:?? :??

NQ often trades up or down quickly at 3:50:00 but sometimes moves in both directions.

Do you have any insight into why or how this up & down can occur all within 1 second for 15 to 50 ticks?

Do the other markets also complete MOC so quickly?

Any information would be appreciated.

The concept of the ‘close’ was blurred when electronic trading became the primary venue for trading as the hours were extended. Some traders still view the close as 4:15 ET (equities) while others use the final closing time of 5pm ET as the official close. Intraday margin is often limited to specific hours as well making the ‘close’ for many traders the time when full margin is required. The timing of the intraday margin period varies by firm but is often 10 to 15 minutes prior to the end of the trading session (which would be 4:45 PM to 4:50 PM ET for many markets).

The volatility being described that occurred at 3:50 PM ET does not line up with any known MOC logic employed by common trading platforms.

If a firm is balancing their portfolio at 3:50 PM each day, it would cause the price action seen though I would not categorize it as a Market on Close. 3:50 PM ET is not close enough to any of the closing times to be considered a MOC. It is a full 10 minutes before the cash close, 25 minutes before the ‘pit close’, and 70 minutes before the final close.

Someone or something is driving the markets at that time however it is not due to industry standard MOC logic. The volatility is more likely tied to automated systems or strategies that are balancing their portfolios but there is no way to know for sure.

FYI: MOC is no longer an exchange supported order qualifier meaning it is supported individually by trading platforms. Most will allow the trader to enter the time variable to exit the position since there is no generally agreed upon ‘close’.

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Hello, Raymond,

Any chance you and your team would consider upgrading the DOM with features such that it resembles the functionality of Jigsaw and Sierra Charts?

Basically additional columns where you can see most recent orders transacted at the bid or offer is what I personally would consider the most important.

For example, if the inside bid/offer is 99,50/99,75, a column could display that after this price became the inside market, 500 contracts have traded at the bid and 250 at the offer. With the current DOM you can't see this unless you're very good at mental arithmetics and can see what's added to the histogram. The only thing you can see now is the resting bids/offers which are continuously changing and not reflecting what's actually transacted.

I think Jigsaw offers the option to clear these columns by pushing a button. Alternatively after some user selected period, i.e., clear after 10-100 seconds. I also think in Jigsaw it clears after moving away from this price (with a filter of 2,5 seconds).

The volume histogram was a huge improvement in NT8, but some more additional detail would be so much better. And it would save us loyal customers not having to buy additional software.

Thanks.

Howard

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Hello, Raymond,

Any chance you and your team would consider upgrading the DOM with features such that it resembles the functionality of Jigsaw and Sierra Charts?

Basically additional columns where you can see most recent orders transacted at the bid or offer is what I personally would consider the most important.

For example, if the inside bid/offer is 99,50/99,75, a column could display that after this price became the inside market, 500 contracts have traded at the bid and 250 at the offer. With the current DOM you can't see this unless you're very good at mental arithmetics and can see what's added to the histogram. The only thing you can see now is the resting bids/offers which are continuously changing and not reflecting what's actually transacted.

I think Jigsaw offers the option to clear these columns by pushing a button. Alternatively after some user selected period, i.e., clear after 10-100 seconds. I also think in Jigsaw it clears after moving away from this price (with a filter of 2,5 seconds).

The volume histogram was a huge improvement in NT8, but some more additional detail would be so much better. And it would save us loyal customers not having to buy additional software.

Thanks.

Howard

Howard,

Thanks for reaching out. My team is looking at enhancing the existing Volume column to provide more flexibility in how a trader might want to visualize the data. Stay tuned.

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Howard,

Thanks for reaching out. My team is looking at enhancing the existing Volume column to provide more flexibility in how a trader might want to visualize the data. Stay tuned.

Fantastic. Looking forward to this.

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Hello Raymond,

i've seen there are MIT order options if using NinjaTrader8. It seems to be a new order type. Please can you outline where (Local, NT Server, CQG Server) the order is managed when using the CQG data feed and FDAX/EUREX?

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Hello Raymond,

i've seen there are MIT order options if using NinjaTrader8. It seems to be a new order type. Please can you outline where (Local, NT Server, CQG Server) the order is managed when using the CQG data feed and FDAX/EUREX?

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MIT orders locally simulated orders.

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Hello, Raymond,

Any chance you and your team would consider upgrading the DOM with features such that it resembles the functionality of Jigsaw and Sierra Charts?

Basically additional columns where you can see most recent orders transacted at the bid or offer is what I personally would consider the most important.

For example, if the inside bid/offer is 99,50/99,75, a column could display that after this price became the inside market, 500 contracts have traded at the bid and 250 at the offer. With the current DOM you can't see this unless you're very good at mental arithmetics and can see what's added to the histogram. The only thing you can see now is the resting bids/offers which are continuously changing and not reflecting what's actually transacted.

I think Jigsaw offers the option to clear these columns by pushing a button. Alternatively after some user selected period, i.e., clear after 10-100 seconds. I also think in Jigsaw it clears after moving away from this price (with a filter of 2,5 seconds).

The volume histogram was a huge improvement in NT8, but some more additional detail would be so much better. And it would save us loyal customers not having to buy additional software.

Thanks.

Howard

I wrote my own a little while ago that basically does just that. If @NinjaTrader included this as part of NT8 I am sure it would be more functional than mine. I am sure they will start to level up NT8 moving forward.


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