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Ninjatrader 8 not ready for prime time?

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Ninjatrader 8 not ready for prime time?

Over the holidays I have been tooling around with NT8 looking to migrate to it for my normal trading. I have to say I really like the NT8 new features, fit and finish. Its a vast improvement over NT7.

Problem is for anything other than one simple chart of one intrument it seems to have a lot of issues ranging from graphics quirks to total crashes. There are strange results in scripting as well. My conclusion is that it is not really ready for heavy duty use which is too bad since I've become kind of hooked on it, its so much better than NT7.

What have other users experienced with NT8? Do you trust it well enough to trade with it? I am talking about more hard core use with custom scripts and such. Just wondering what other peoples experience is or if its just me having issues with it.

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The chance that you bump into one or another bug, is very significant, as with all software.

More specifically to NinjaTrader, is the fact that an open platform that allows any body, calling himself
a programmer (i don't know your code or the indicators you are using, don't take this personal), can
write a few lines, that maybe doing (or not) what he wants, but that completely brings down a 20 core
intell 64gb cpu... with a memory leak or any kind of worst night mare non efficient code

I have seen even vendors that have code that has a lot of bugs and i know for sure NT 7 has a few
bugs, which you need to work around, if you don't want it to crash in certain conditions

All that said, i think one needs to test step by step, first the core, then a few isolated indicators
and more and more... For sure moving a reasonable complex NT7 situation to NT8, takes a bit of
effort and can result in a lot of issues, not always easy to pinpoint...

I have played with NT8, i 'll wait a bit more and then start migrating, especially the better multi
threading is very needed..

good luck !

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NinjaTrader 8 is extremely slow. Especially when starting up. It takes a long time to start up. Sometimes charts fail and will not open. I think it is still in beta form. Is it slow for anyone else?

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NinjaTrader 8 is extremely slow. Especially when starting up. It takes a long time to start up. Sometimes charts fail and will not open. I think it is still in beta form. Is it slow for anyone else?

What are your machine spec's ?

It is supposed to be faster, because it is said to be more multi-threaded. If you have a machine with less cores then it's possible if they create many threads, that this creates actually more overhead than that it creates speed gain, but i haven't tested it to that level of detail, but it would be interesting to know...

If you create a program that does everything sequentially (one after another), on a big machine with many cores, then nearly all cores will be sit and wait, except the one that works

Creating parallel threads keeps more cores busy and results in shorter time to do the work, due to gain while doing parallel.

The down-side of this could be if you have a mono core machine that this results in stuff being started and the cpu having to switch between the tasks, but actually not doing stuff in parallel, but just more at the same time resulting in slower result because of the switching between the tasks..

just my 2 cents

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Here is a video I just made of how I have NT8 currently set up.



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What are your machine spec's ?

It is supposed to be faster, because it is said to be more multi-threaded. If you have a machine with less cores then it's possible if they create many threads, that this creates actually more overhead than that it creates speed gain, but i haven't tested it to that level of detail, but it would be interesting to know...

If you create a program that does everything sequentially (one after another), on a big machine with many cores, then nearly all cores will be sit and wait, except the one that works

Creating parallel threads keeps more cores busy and results in shorter time to do the work, due to gain while doing parallel.

The down-side of this could be if you have a mono core machine that this results in stuff being started and the cpu having to switch between the tasks, but actually not doing stuff in parallel, but just more at the same time resulting in slower result because of the switching between the tasks..

just my 2 cents


I have a Hewlett Packard with the following specs:

Intel Celeron CPU N2840, 2.16Ghz

Installed memory(RAM) 4 GB

System Type 64 bit operating system, x64-based processor

It takes a long time to start up.

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I have a Hewlett Packard with the following specs:

Intel Celeron CPU N2840, 2.16Ghz

Installed memory(RAM) 4 GB

System Type 64 bit operating system, x64-based processor

It takes a long time to start up.

This is a two core machine
4GB is a bit of a minimum i would say for a 64 bit operating system

To give you an example i have a 12 core and a 20 core machine,
the 12 core has 32 gb of ram and it uses currently 8GB (NT is not even started)

I think your machine is a bit short of oxygen...

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This is a two core machine
4GB is a bit of a minimum i would say for a 64 bit operating system

To give you an example i have a 12 core and a 20 core machine,
the 12 core has 32 gb of ram and it uses currently 8GB (NT is not even started)

I think your machine is a bit short of oxygen...

Thanks for the info. If I double the memory, will that solve the problem or do I need to get a more powerful CPU?

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I have a Hewlett Packard with the following specs:



Intel Celeron CPU N2840, 2.16Ghz



Installed memory(RAM) 4 GB



System Type 64 bit operating system, x64-based processor



It takes a long time to start up.



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Thanks for the info. If I double the memory, will that solve the problem or do I need to get a more powerful CPU?

You will see a big impact when adding memory (i think your system supports maximum 8GB
you may want to kill some processes that consume RAM and that you don't need

what is your HD ? classic or SSD ?
that is a nother trick you could use to improve, especially if you are in a swapping (moving
memory to disk and loading another chunk in) situation

it will never be laser beam fast, but it will work faster...

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