Dude, you completely missed the point of what I was saying. But thanks. It's about running multiple instances of various algos on a leased VPS server....not running one discretionary trading platform instance on a local machine...which I have full physical control over. But I fully get your point, and you're right about NT8 taking a fair amount of resources.

I funded a Dorman/NT account this month in order to take advantage of the $800 price tag for lifetime license. But now I'm on the fence. Not sure whether I really want to or not.

I don't use NT currently, but like it's charting for developing new ideas and I figure why not purchase at a discount and possibly upgrade to multi broker license in the future. I do like it as a charting platform (research/development) but, no, I don't have a specific need for it on live trading bc my stuff is all automated. and I could just use the free version for all testing and essentially have the same result. The only downside would be *possibly* having to pay more for a lifetime license *if* I ever got one in the future.

Now, w the free version I can't run automated systems on a live account but the platform is so hardware intensive that it's not really convenient to run on a leased server anyway....I sure wish NT would make a lightweight app just to run automated systems (in C#/NScript) without all the charting (charting is great for research but not necessary to run systems live).

I have been focusing a lot on getting solid w python lately, and I'm pretty sure that's the best way to go for a system trader, all in all. IB with a python API connection is likely the most secure and effective thing around. I can run it on secure/inexpensive Linux server, develop systems anywhere on any almost any hardware. Complex opti runs are a different matter, but you have to use opti runs only for specific purposes....imo. And python gives me complete control with no middleman (i.e. Charting platform) between me and the broker server.

Soooo....those are my thoughts. Just wondered what anyone else thought.

My honest opinion is you don't have the proper computer hardware. I have a robust machine and push and run NT8 hard and have absolutely zero issues with NT8 performance.

CPU performance I monitor with Process Hacker and NT8 is never above 12% for NT8 (I can monitor each app separately) once running and connected to data.

Booting up NT8 it's CPU % hit 80% at times. As I said I run NT8 hard in my business.

I would direct you to Trading Computers and to look at the their top system for a complete NT8 awesome experience.

Ron


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My bad, I apologize.....I was just honing in on one part of what you were speaking about.....What I was trying to say was I do not think NT8 is "is so hardware intensive".... well it is when running on a weak system.... which to me means one doesn't have the correct tools for the job. Carpenter with only a hand saw. Painter, only a brush...no rollers no sprayers....

As I said, I push it hard with many Charts (most with 1000 days loaded) and Market Analyzers and my CPU is very low.

I guess the leased server has weak hardware, not enough RAM for what you need etc etc???? But I can't really tell if you actually have run it on this "leased server" or not.

Now if you are referring to NT7 yes it is very slow only uses one core and why even use it when NT8 is here and light years ahead of it........................

I don't think NT8 use much resources at all. I let Microsoft Windows Search Indexer run and it is almost always using more CPU between 3 - 14% and NT8 stays around 4 - 6%.

Ron

100% agree with everything said here. There is enough benefits in NT8 to get you hooked and not want to go back to NT7, but the crashing and graphical quirks are very real for me too. Although NT8 is much faster in many regards, doing a few simple tasks, it is much more sluggish than NT7. The croshair, bringing up indicators properties box and general graphical refreshing to name a few...

Fingers crosesd they are working hard to rectify the issues.

Completely agree with you, Ron. The only time with my relatively limited experience I have really had problems with NT8 is when debugging using Visual Studio. When restarting the debug session several times in VS, during the same NT8 session, NT8 would just randomly crash (I guess it isn't random underneath the hood) and disappear. Other than that I have found NT8 to be vastly superior in terms of stability/robustness and performance during runtime than NT7.

Hi iq200.... I believe the issue with running VS and crashing NT is that NT needs control over all of the applications under its control. (note: If your AV software takes control of the NT stuff it may crash as well.) Using the NT version of the editor exclusively will avoid the crashes. I am starting to use VS a little more now and trying to find a way around the issue.

Bob

Thanks for your reply Bob. Having worked as a software engineer developing multi tier .Net applications, I am not entirely convinced of your argument. I think the problem could be due to the way a NT8 component is compiled through VS i.e. pressing Save in VS ... and then the component dynamically loading in NT8. There could be something not accounted for in this process. The point is, when you attach to the NT8 process under VS, VS should gain complete control over NT8.

... but the trouble is that it seems this needs to be done every morning before the trading sessions starts

I have set up Metatrader MT4 for my H4 FX charts - frankly, it gives me everything I need - & have just also set up tick charts within MT4. This coming week I am going to see if intraday trading using the (simple) MT4 DOM is workable... (no futures, so will use the Ger30 DAX CFD, a sensible alternative to the DAX Mini Futures contract, FDXM; not available to US traders, I'm afraid).

... but I must say I find I have to tip-toe around any changes I make to my charts, or the program seizes up / crashes. ....

I still clear the data cache, but usually only every weekend.