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Ninjatrader 8 not ready for prime time?

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I agree that the support is very good....

re your license.... I wonder if you could sell it (license to someone else with NT cooperation) or if NT can help you out somehow.....

Take Care...
Bob


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I completely disagree with you. Ninja have outstanding support, credit where credit is due.

Having said that, I no longer use the platform, and on reflective moments when I am staring wistfully out the window marinating in past mistakes I admit to grinding irritation at having purchased the lifetime license which is no longer used.

Im not here to bash Ninja, I just wanted to point out that I disagreed with your sentiment about minimal support. When I was on their forums I always had prompt and helpful replies from members of the team.


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Over the holidays I have been tooling around with NT8 looking to migrate to it for my normal trading. I have to say I really like the NT8 new features, fit and finish. Its a vast improvement over NT7.

Problem is for anything other than one simple chart of one intrument it seems to have a lot of issues ranging from graphics quirks to total crashes. There are strange results in scripting as well. My conclusion is that it is not really ready for heavy duty use which is too bad since I've become kind of hooked on it, its so much better than NT7.

What have other users experienced with NT8? Do you trust it well enough to trade with it? I am talking about more hard core use with custom scripts and such. Just wondering what other peoples experience is or if its just me having issues with it.

Hi,

I prefer to stick to NT7. I dont like NT8's crashes and the rest of it's operational problems. A friend of mine is also suspicious about NT8 and is wondreing IF the cause of these NT8's problems (crashes, etc) is any "spying" software (which obviously does not exist in NT7). I, myself, dont want to think about it, but I am very scepticist... We will see in the future... Until then I prefer to be conservative and stick to NT7 which is a very good and reliable software. This is my opinion. Thank you.

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I will add my thoughts here. I purchased a lifetime license a few months back and am really disappointed. NT8 is slow and has a cumbersome feel to it. Compared to ThinkorSwim, it is like a tortoise and a hare comparison. I run 4 monitors on a very fast and robust system. ThinkorSwim functions in less than a blink of an eye and processes voluminous amounts of data in doing so. NT8 has lag and is very sluggish. I would not trust it for live trades. Support is minimal. This reminds me of software that you purchase that has a no refund policy and it simply becomes space on your hard drive because you can't bring yourself to delete it based on what you paid for it. I remember back in the 90's when Tradestation was selling their software. I purchased the full version at that time for around $2400. Several years later they changed their business model and no longer supported the paid versions that their customers had purchased. I believe NT is headed down that path. No one is going to trust this software in a few years and they will become irrelevant. The various forums related to trading are full of complaints about NT8 being sluggish and crashing and/or locking up. I see the same thing unfolding in the other forums that is unfolding here: support is not able to re-create what the requestor is complaining about and therefore, not able to resolve any matter. None of us want to beta test software when trading a live account and that is what NT8 is at this time. As traders, we have all spent thousands of dollars on software and vendors that we felt would help us to trade better. When that turns out not to be the case, we need to know when to discard the software or vendor and move on. Just like in a trade, we cut a loser lose and move on to the next trade. There are many robust trading platforms that are available to us traders. However, NT8 for me, is not one of them.

I, generally, agree with you about NT8's problems. We, the traders, want a finalized and highly reliable trading software to trade, and, certainly, we are not obliged to contribute (loosing our money and valuable time) - by frequently reporting/refering the various issues and damages - to the solution of the various technical problems a software has. However, I think NT7 is a good and reliable trading s/w for real trading. Thank you.

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I have converted my trading to 8... SIM22 (really bright guy) and I developed some cleanup utilities that really make it run very reliable and responsive. There are still a few quirks, but Ninja is taking care of what is reports. SIM22 posted his file that cleans the cache only. My bat file deletes both cache data sets and deletes both sets of day, minute and tick data. I run the batch file every time I shut down, so a clean startup. It refreshes data on connect. My biggest concern is converting a few of my private indies over from 7.

Bob



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Hi,

I prefer to stick to NT7. I dont like NT8's crashes and the rest of it's operational problems. A friend of mine is also suspicious about NT8 and is wondreing IF the cause of these NT8's problems (crashes, etc) is any "spying" software (which obviously does not exist in NT7). I, myself, dont want to think about it, but I am very scepticist... We will see in the future... Until then I prefer to be conservative and stick to NT7 which is a very good and reliable software. This is my opinion. Thank you.


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It is True: Ninjatrader 8 not ready for prime time.

My experience today is when horizontal line overlapped with active order, when I tried to select order line, it only selected horizontal line. Back to NT7 for live trading.

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nt 8 cannot select active order near horizontal user drawn line

@manualtrader, the horizontal line selection problem sounds like something @NinjaTrader could easily fix.

NT8 startup has been a horrible ordeal lately until began following this advice about clearing out the cache and the historical data before starting. https://futures.io/ninjatrader/41237-ninjatrader-8-not-ready-prime-time-11.html#post643323
@NinjaTrader, how about an option to make this cleanout automatic?

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@NinjaTrader, how about an option to make this cleanout automatic?

they will of course assign your request under the ticker #2832752, stay tuned.........

that being ridiculous....

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Sitting on a wooden fence, trying to decide if?


Seahn View Post
Over the holidays I have been tooling around with NT8 looking to migrate to it for my normal trading. I have to say I really like the NT8 new features, fit and finish. Its a vast improvement over NT7.

Problem is for anything other than one simple chart of one intrument it seems to have a lot of issues ranging from graphics quirks to total crashes. There are strange results in scripting as well. My conclusion is that it is not really ready for heavy duty use which is too bad since I've become kind of hooked on it, its so much better than NT7.

What have other users experienced with NT8? Do you trust it well enough to trade with it? I am talking about more hard core use with custom scripts and such. Just wondering what other peoples experience is or if its just me having issues with it.

Is there any chance that you might categorically exemplify whatever you discovered....

....its so much better than NT7....

Thx much

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that is my major concern too


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I have converted my trading to 8... SIM22 (really bright guy) and I developed some cleanup utilities that really make it run very reliable and responsive. There are still a few quirks, but Ninja is taking care of what is reports. SIM22 posted his file that cleans the cache only. My bat file deletes both cache data sets and deletes both sets of day, minute and tick data. I run the batch file every time I shut down, so a clean startup. It refreshes data on connect. My biggest concern is converting a few of my private indies over from 7.

Bob

just how successful
are you in your conversion
of private indis toward nt8?

am facing similar predicament at the moment.

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I have converted the simple ones.... I am having issues with the time based originals.... I need to study and play with the OnStateChange vs the OnBarUpdate... I am close to having them work, but not quite there yet.... Also, it has been an opportunity to justify which are worth converting. I have not been able to get the converter engine on the NT Forum to work for me.... but then again, I am not the brightest LED Bulb in the pack.....

Thanks, and Good luck. If you want to compare some notes, please PM me and we can Call, EMAIL or TV...

Bob




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just how successful
are you in your conversion
of private indis toward nt8?

am facing similar predicament at the moment.


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