No. I usually wait a bit before upgrading anything. Same for phone, tablets, heck I am still waiting to upgrade to Win 10.
I like to give them a few weeks/months to get the initial bugs worked out before I upgrade. And don't get me started on Blue Bell ice cream. I will wait a few months to ensure no one dies before I get some... (But it is really hard )
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FWIW, in the poll I said it will not be released this year, and I will wait for a few bug fix releases before switching.
I have no idea whether it will come out this year or not, but at this point, I think saying "no" is the way to bet.
Certainly, waiting for other people to find the bugs is the way to go, so I'll wait anyway, and I figure that will almost certainly put me into 2016.
However, since I will want to get a handle on the programming changes, and since, as I recall, you can have both NT7 and 8 on the same machine, I probably will get an earlier copy of 8 to fool around with and try to get some code working. But not for any trading.
But who knows? Maybe it'll be so cool I can't stop myself. That's happened before, too....
Bob.
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I've been an active beta tester and I think it is pretty solid, but I'm hoping for "public beta" this year, not an actual "release." And IMHO if you like NT 7 you will love NT 8.
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I think some of the answers would have been more accurate after the release of the first public beta.
As beta-testers (at least the first ones) have signed a kind of NDA I can't comment that much, but I agree with @dalebru.
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I think what is most accurate is the trend where you come to their rescue at all the times.
Despite of your business associations, likes and dislikes, I wish you were a little bit more like @Big Mike and applied a bit more objectivity when it came to platforms.
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Ok, Then I will leave it at that and take your word for it.
I have seen some posts where some other solutions could have been offered where some had issues, better alternatives, etc.
On a personal note, Sam is a decent human being, and a great guy, so this is not a personal conflict.
I also have have been his customer on the VPS, and he helped us like a champion when we had issues.
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I respect that.
Also, I wish NT nothing but the best with the launch of NT8, maybe they will introduce features other will adopt as well, so the whole trading community can benefit.
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I've been using NT(7) live for about a month now and can't wait for 8 to be rolled out. While I do appreciate the comprehensiveness of 7 it's glitchy-ness and lack of user-friendliness I find quite astounding. It's 2015 already... Software should be nice to use! Please hurry with 8 before I break my new monitor!
I can only comment on platforms I use or used for long enough, not just an install, connect to a data feed and send few orders.
I've been running the beta(s) version(s) since day 1 on a couple of VPS, with live data feed, 24/7, and I already done some kind of advanced coding stuff. So I think I know a bit about this new release.
But like I wrote previously we can't publish or otherwise disclose information relating to performance or quality of the beta, so I'll wait for the official release for commenting on it.
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Yes but not immediately. I'm happy with NT7 at the moment, everything working as it should. Once NT8 comes out I will wait until 2 custom indicators I use will be converted to NT8. I'm not the least bit interested in coding.
At first I couldn't wait for NT8 to be released. Then as the delays in release added up, now going on years, I just lost interest.
With the help of futures.io (formerly BMT) I have NT7 working exactly the way I want, coding my order entry/management overlay was a pain mostly inflicted by unnecessary "this is undocumented" BS by Ninja, but it is now working fine and I am happy with it.
Over the years of using NT7 I have gotten used to the incredibly crappy user unfriendliness of the software. I mean don't NT programmers even know what persistence is? What rials me up even more is that it takes 2 lines of code to add persistence but NT7 could not be bothered to do it, never mind the even larger issues with the software that have not been fixed. Instead we are told to wait and wait for NT8 to save us.
I guess I am kind of bitter about it all. Anyway I will probably get NT8 installed because that is just what I do but its going to be some time before I work on getting my custom code converted to it and actually use it to trade.
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I personally am getting dang tired of NT period. I'm seriously thinking about going back to Sierra . Used a lot less resources and way more stable. I really aggravated that I bought a lifetime multi-broker license. It's been nothing but a pain every since I got it. I should have know better. When you have to set up your daily charts as 1440 min charts so you can get the correct open/close you know they don't have a clue.
I'm not crazy about the charting, but I have other things for that. I love the order execution in NT7. I'll be upgrading to 8 as soon as TST supports it.
Here's hoping they bring in a usable market profile.
I thought I'd have a quick test evaluation this afternoon, downloaded and installed the now public NT8_B5 release onto my laptop. It's not a new machine but it's still a 2.5Ghz 4Gb Vista SP2 machine that runs everything more than well enough (c20-30% slower than my i7 W7 box.)
Install and migration went fine, albeit the non-alphabetic conversion and import of historical data was a bit weird, especially as there is no progress bar for quite a long operation.
Sadly downhill after that, with even just a single chart taking loads more CPU to run than NT7, graphics updates delayed by many seconds and often missing completely, price changes seriously slow in comparison, running separately or together. Finally it just fell over after one window resize too many.
It's still clearly very Beta and I hope I'm missing something (like maybe WPF is a no-no on Vista cf Forms?) but out-of-the-box I was expecting more and a lot less clunkiness. Maybe don't expect much unless you've got machinery that exceeds the minimum recommended by quite a long way.
For now I'll assume it's just Beta issues and await another round or two before trying it on the big box.
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What graphic card do you have?
I think it might be the problem, if it's a very slow one, as the GUI now use DirectX and some computing is made by the GPU directly (if I understood things correctly).
Hi Sam, it's the original built-in (Dell Vostro 1710) NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GS 256Mb running DirectX 10, (under .Net 4.5.1). So, not a recent card but it does their 3D demo rotations fine and I figured it ought to be plenty for anything 2D. The laptop runs an FDAX replay at 500X without even breaking sweat under NT7 so I remain puzzled and have to assume bugs/unknown system issues. If you think it's worth it I'll contact Ninja, maybe it's an odd-ball.
That's very strange. I have a semi-old (ish) laptop that I currently run everything on. It's 1.5 Ghz, 4 Gb and it is having no problem, running both NT 7 and NT 8 together, along with enough other crap to put the memory up to about 80% of max.... no hickups. One difference may be that I did the Windows 10 upgrade, before the NT 8 install. And this machine came with Windows 7, so it's not quite from the Vista era (but it was fairly close to it.)
And WPF should be fine with Vista, I remember using them together, some while ago....
So, very strange. Why not try it on your other machine and see how it goes?
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NT8 is running fine on one of my laptop with a similar card, and on my VPS's with software emulated graphic cards, so maybe the problem is somewhere else (Nvidia drivers, ...).
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It's running fine for me on Macbook Pro 13 running Windows 10 on Bootcamp.
So far I am liking it, especially the improved DOM (more than 5 price levels, APQ and volume make it actually usable), but my actual choice will be dictated by the output of available aftermarket indicators.
It's nice to see heiken ashi listed as a bar type rather than an indicator, that always irked me for no apparent reason
My machine is a middle of the road one year old laptop. i5 with Windows 8 upgraded to 10. Geforce 720 card but I think that's turned off. Performance wise NT8 is working just fine for me.
The only glitch causing me concern is its ability to recover from interrupted internet connection. Unfortunately I have to report that recovery from interrupted connections is not good in my experience so far. Data gaps are becoming a regular hazard and often I am having to reload data to get price moving again. Certainly a concern.
Perhaps someone else can shine a light on the topic.
I believe that data gaps are a known bug in beta 5. NinjaTrader has a forum for the beta that I believe is now open to everyone. And you can email their platform support, which is generally very responsive.
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Looks like the NVIDIA drivers could well be the source of the trouble, I have now found quite a few WPF/NVIDIA related and unfixable display issues on the interwebs so I'll leave the laptop alone to migrate to the doorstop collection over time. Thanks for the ideas.
I also have it installed on the i7/W7 box now and it runs fine on there. Apart from failing to load data for any intervals other than minute based data and a refusal to update Dax cash index values in realtime, FDAX is fine. Latest versions of everything are installed, eSignal traces enabled and submitted to Ninja. Not my lucky week, I'll have another look at Christmas. When I look at the changes involved between NT7 and NT8 and the product and coding complexity we are now getting into I find it all a bit scary, must be an old age thing..
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Yes. I like it overall. However, they appear to have taken away the ability to change the background color of the chart trader. I changed the background in NT7 to a bright color to ensure I didn't trade in SIM by accident. @NinjaTrader - Why did you leave this out? Or am I missing it?
If you are trading Forex and have a ATM strategy, make sure you set it to pips or it will not work.
My tip to all traders: test everything out in SIM before trading live.
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Yep. Downloaded it the first day it was available.
On the surface, it's very similar in appearance to 7, so easy enough to get used to on a top-level view.
But digging into the programming details is taking some time; I couldn't offer any opinions yet. I'm also not digging into the new user features yet. It's a little hard to find time to get into it.
I have also converted some strategies. I found the help topics for NinjaScript to be very helpful. The one thing I did notice is it seems like it slower compiling the strategies. Plus the pointer does not spin or anything when you click compile, so you have to wait till the curser starts blinking to know that it is done compiling.
Differences in compile time:
NT7 less 5 seconds to compile.
NT8 10 to 20 seconds to compile.
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I did not use/test any charting - only the DOM and the main window.
My reference and comparison platform is Ninja7 and it's DOM , which I like.
- The performance and resource needs of the DOM are poor.
- The functionality vs screen space ratio is very poor.
- the template / design is big , fat and ugly.
- the replace the CENTER button to the top of the DOM is missing.
- they put little thought into the menu/preference/options concept.
---(more Steve Jobs here - less windows95 would be good)
one positive point:
- the idea of replacing the HOLD function with mouse-hover is a good, creative & helpful idea ,
-- but when hovering it takes 2 seconds before I can scroll the price DOM with the mouse wheel
---- this is unacceptable for fast markets.
Ninja seems to De-evolve.
I need tighty, speedy and efficient tools.
Also; for this result - what did they work on the hole time ?
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Been coding some indicators for it. Nice to get more precise historical bid ask data without the GomRecorder. So those are called UN Gom indicators. The current beta 5 is still quite buggy.
The timestamp resolution appears to be one millisecond. Still lots of trades going off with the same time stamp.
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The resolution will be dependent on your data feed, not NT. Ray explained that several times over the last couple years. The platform supports the resolution of one DateTime tick (nothing to do with a tick in trading lingo)
We had about 500 people participate in the closed beta. With open beta, we are at about 1,500 users now. We have received excellent feedback and greatly appreciate it.
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Hi Zondor, I'm looking to get some "bid ask delta" indicator for NinjaTrader 8, the main reason is about the historical data isuue, it's so good to got it!
Would be posible to share this indis for NT8?, thanks in advance!
Thanks for your feedback, highly appreciated and helpful.
Based of another comment you made, maybe your PC is on the low end of our min requirements? The SuperDOM performance is better in NT8 than NT7.
There are options to change the look and feel via skins under Tools > Options. The SuperDOM functionality at its core is the same as NT7. There is some padding around the window which increased the size. I will submit this constructive criticism to our product management team.
Wanted to add...I personally like the Slate Gray skin, gives NinjaTrader a more flat look. You can also hide the "Tabs" if that is taking up too much screen space.
This should be instantaneous. That's why I was thinking maybe its a PC resource issue? We are happy to look into this for you if you wish.
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Are you guys going to include the ability to add customizable buttons to the DOM to change the quantity of your order? The puny quantity window with the even punier arrows doesn't work for real trading. Most modern DOMs have quantity buttons so you can quickly adjust the quantity of your order without having to fidget too much with the mouse and keyboard. I hope you considered this in your design.
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I like the new FX Board look in NT8 and will probably upgrade when live.
Since it's basically the same feed, Is there a way the we can see the Forex Rollover rates (buy/Sell) and Pip Value information directly as FXCM's Trading station displays ?
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Currently we do not support the Forex Rollover Rate data from FXCM and we do not display the pip value on the FX Board. I will forward the request to our product management team.
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It has been reported and acknowledged on the NT forum. Issue is error message "Could not create SSL/TLS secure channel". My understanding is that error message is about MS Windows security certificate issues. I was not aware of any interim release.
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So..... if I download and install the public beta, does that mean bye-bye to the NT7 I have on my computer? I had NT7 open, tried installing the NT8 public beta, and it said to close NT7 first.
^Agreed, michaelf. The availability of the custom indicators people like is a big factor for moving over. It is with me for example.
It looks to me like I'll stick with NT7 for a long time to come, unless I see some grand advantage to my trading with NT8 - which won't happen because my trading can be done from pretty much any standard software. Ninjatrader is my favorite though.
So to me right now it comes down to "feel" and I prefer NT7's at the moment. Note that people tend to like what they're used to, so that is a factor affecting my bias a bit too.
I am disappointed with the GUI! Look at NT7's chart trader. Big buttons where it matters - just feels better to me. On the flip side, NT8 has bigger text and buttons where I don't like it... The menus in NT8 feels unnecessarily big and clunky. Hard to explain. That is my impression.
To me the best thing about NT8 is how "light" feeling the chart is. It definitely feels like it takes less effort and memory. Another nice thing is the tab stuff at the bottom but besides that I don't see anything I like more than I currently have in NT7.
Definitely prefer the old menus. Data series comparison:
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Would be cool to have a "NinjaTrader NT7 Classic" skin. Although I don't think that'll really happen because it's a lot of work and undermines the new GUI direction they seem to be wanting to go with.
I don't get it though; I really dislike the web 2.0 "big text and buttons cuz you're a dummy" look. I'm a fan of "organized information in good ratio to the real estate of the window, and in normal text size" etc. Not saying NT8 is terrible. I'm just saying it feels like it's more of a step in the direction of the former with NT8.
And again, I'm speaking in therms of my vague feelings and impressions about it. Maybe other people don't feel this way at all, and NT8 should serve to the best of what most traders want.
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For what its worth, NinjaTrader 7 UI was put together by a bunch of programmers
NinjaTrader 8 was driven by UI designer. Here at NinjaTrader, we all really like the UI direction. That being said, its all opinion at the end of the day. Never going to please everyone.
If you have not tried it already, change the skin to SlateGray, it provides a more flatter look on the controls.
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They might have done big thing but intuitively I feel the same big thing
will be obstacle in migrating. It need fresh new generation of volunteer
enthusiasts coder as we had in era of NT6.5 and 7. Because most of old ones
are either retire or have no interest or become vendor.
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a) I will probably get used to it.
b) I am a programmer, so what do I know? I probably think the same way your guys who did NT7 do.
My first impression is that things work OK, but not always as simply as I would like them to. This is not very definite, I know, and as I get further into it, I may have something more useful....
In the overview webinars it was stated that NT8 will allow open access to UI elements. Is that access universal or limited to a few elements? For example when I switch my custom indicators I will need to have access to dialogs such as Chart Trader and Market Replay dialogs so that I can add various elements, buttons, checkboxes etc. with ability to add event handlers for such to add functionaliy to suit my needs. Right now with NT7 I have accomplished these things using "undocumented" methods.
Will NT8 document UI elements allowing additions of user elements and functionality? Below is an example of what I mean for Chart Trader.
That's a step. However, I suggest that to be useful, there needs to be a 1-click option, e.g., a button. Having to middle-click and then move the mouse around and get the right quantity and then click and hopefully not screw that up when you're trying to execute orders doesn't sound good to me.
1-click on a big button for the quantity, 1-click on the right price or Market - less chance of mistakes and quicker ability to get orders into the market.
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Many of the indicator conversions are simple enough to be done by rote. However, since the Plot method went out the window, any custom drawing that was in there has to be converted to work in OnRender. The concepts are similar but the syntax is different.
There is a thread on Futures.io where you can solicit coders for jobs like indicator conversion. If your custom indicators were actually making money for you, it would be worth the cost. However, I do agree with the idea that most of what are called indicators are simply another, lagging, way of looking at the same price that is on your chart, thus having no real value.
Really nice to be able to categorize indicators and place them in folders. Similar indicators can then be grouped together in logical categories such as Bands, Oscillators, Moving Averages, etc, making them much easier to pick from the list and to keep track of than in NT7. More than likely you actually use only a limited number of indicators, which then could all go into one folder of Favourites.
That OnMarketData now works in the historical state when in Tick Replay drastically simplifies indicators involving bid ask delta, instruments other than those on the chart, and multi-timeframe indicators. These are more likely to have real world value since they are not derived with a lag from the chart price series.
Real time performance of NT8 is very good, but there are still quite a few subtle bugs that need to be flushed out. Migrating is not as urgent an issue as when NT7 came out. NT7 is quite good, but for me at least, using NT6.5 was a constant ordeal.
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This allows you to iterate over the visual elements in the UI to access any control or grid and make modifications. In addition to this we have attached Automation ID's to controls to make it easier to find common locations where you may want to add something. At this time will will not be publishing and maintaining a list of Automation ID's however you can use Microsoft's 'Inspect' tool to inspect the UI to find Automation ID's and navigate the visual tree. You can find information and download the Microsoft Inspect tool here: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd318521.aspx
I will also suggest you look into our new 'Add On' NinjaScript object. This is a top level NinjaScript object that allows you to hook into any window creation or shutdown. Eliminating the need to for example add an Indicator on a chart to get your Add On running. It is intended to be used for exactly the purpose you describe, modifying existing NT UI's or creating your own. Add On documentation can be found here: NinjaScript > Language Reference > Add On
You can discuss this further if you wish with our support team at the NinjaTrader Support Forum.
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I have to still use it deeply , had shut it after first use, and i dont know if this been already asked/answered.
I was not getting how to use TickReplay on indicators, i think it is for that purpose. I read some discussion on this that it can be used for intrabar calculations and also can serve for UnGomming Gom Indies. But i wanted to use it for intrabar calculations. Is this possible with this ?
for example i want to catch the signals which momentarily come on developing High/Low but do not satisfy Close of the bar hence they wont appear after bar completion. This i can catch in NT7 during live but on historic run it will not appear.
Solution for this is 1) Employ indicator on High/Low series also , i dont like this one, and 2) Some dirty chartstyle , this too i dont believe can work.
So can NT8's TickReplay simplify my solution ?
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For this exact purpose (running a backtest and having bar updates fire on every tick that creates the bar) yes however, there is a known bug on our list to resolve.
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Something tells me we are going to be looking at the Beta label for a long time. Im wondering if the resources over at NT are more preoccupied with being brokers rather than getting the new platform sorted and taking down the Beta badge..?
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I would say that @NinjaTrader knows very well that the future of both the platform and the brokerage lies with NT8 being a success.
As to " Beta forever" (), I can understand the feeling.... But eventually it will not be, and after a while the long beta period will fade out of memory. There is enough in the basic changes in the underlying framework to explain why the development has taken so long.
Not that I wouldn't be happier if they were out of beta now....
I'm thinking that NinjaTrader will have less new clients because of their new Brokerage and the excluding, restriction of other brokers to use the platform.
New traders will now think twice which platform they will use and I have the feeling that a few good traders here on futures.io changed the platform.
All this is maybe the reason why NT8 is still in Beta and the indicator converting enthusiasm are low.
Who knows, maybe my thinking or feeling are wrong.
I would have to disagree. I am not a shill, just a professional tire kicker when it comes to brokers.
NT made a very smart decision by moving up the food chain and becoming more of an oligopoly. Providing value as a trading software vendor is becoming increasingly competitive. Fintech is having a boom and more competitors are being hatched ever year. NT is constantly getting leapfrogged by new entrants. The weight on development is enormous. Even Ninjascript is threatened by Python. ( Please don't flame me or start a python vs C# thread.) They needed to add to their value proposition.
They acquired a very competitive broker Mirus Futures. Having been aggressive with rock bottom rates has practically sparked a price war. Additionally, they have partnered with one of the top forex brokers in the US. Obvious to most futures traders, dabbling in forex can complement your trading. A lot of introducing brokers already provide seamless integration in one platform.
They do need to add value in the back office reporting to get a bigger share of the professional trading groups which I hear is forthcoming. But, NT mobile comes first. The success of NT8 has yet to emerge. Our top programmers on BMT signed a non-disclosure agreement. So, nuff said.
Why they didn't choose to add value via data and routing (ala CQG and TTrader) is beyond me. But nowadays, it seems your a piker if you don't have colo.
I think of them more as friends than adversaries really. I love python more than any language I have ever tried but it just doesn't make sense to use it for real time analysis on a tick data feed with the other options available.
I will probably build a machine for Ninja 8 once we have a nice stable release and potentially try the brokerage.
Hats off to all the beta testers.
My back ground: 20+ years in IT. I grew up behind the "Iron Curtain" and my first programming experience in college started with Pascal using punch cards than peek and poke on Basic with saving programs on tapes... both programming experience was short lived for me, so not that old but it was not yesterday...
I've started my experiment with NT8 B03 and this afternoon installed B07.
I've traded live account with B05 and B06, well going back and forth between NT7 and NT8.
The main reason switching back and forth is since I am using Jigsaw DOS for entering trades /Depth Of Sales they like to call it/ and according to Jigsaw the only access they have is the NT ATI which will allows only either NT 7 DOS or NT 8 DOS being used not both at the same time...
So far no issues as per trading and only minor recently with charting.
I do have to mention that I am not using many indicators, mainly ATR, gomi stuff and Price Action on NT7.
So far I've found NT 8 very, very stable.
I do have to restart NT 7 every day since there is some memory leak and if NT 7 goes over 1.5 GB memory behaves somewhat "weird"/unstable.
It was not a big issue for me so did not look for resolution since usually I was able to make till end of session.
NT 8 while I am not quite running the same setup /no gomi stuff or Price Action indicator in NT 8 / is running for days with no hick ups.
In NT8 most of my issues I've submitted so far being resolved with the newer releases.
Looking at the NT8 "Issue and bug reports" Forum it seems to me there are no show stoppers for a regular users with NT8 B07.
/I might be wrong so... here comes the disclaimer... /
My gut feeling based on my current experience with NT8 and seeing the logs at the forum /also after the experience of participating in the NT7 going live testing as well/ the next version will be a "live" version...
Hope this helps someone!
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After a month of back and forth, I still cannot get a MB Trading connection with NT8. Ninjatrader has finally recognized the problem by actually testing on a Windows Vista machine. So I think there are still a plethora of problems yet to be resolved, if something as basic as this has yet to be detected.
Agreed. Hate to be on the neg side but its a joke that they have let this out the door with as many issues as it has. Basically they are relying on ordinary users to do their work for them, ie pointing out a plethora of really mundane issues and bugs that should have been addressed long before they ever even considered letting anyone outside the building see it. After all that then there's just an outside chance that they will actually listen. So so frustrating and on and on it goes.....
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I will start by apologizing if I sound unsympathetic to Camdo's problem.
It is already widely know that Windows Vista is the equivalent of of Windows Millenium of the current series of Windows releases. A lot of problems typically surface up when Windows makes major changes with it's UI. In a mission critical computing environement, having a compatible and reliable OS is the easiest part of the setup you can provide yourself.
As for MB, you have to accept that compatibility with that broker is not as high a priority as IBKR or futures FCMs. Even less so with their entry into the brokerage business. I wouldn't even be surprised if there is a reason to INTENTIONALLY not provide compatibility. NT does have it's beef with some brokers (but then I would be spreading gossip).
Agree that the users have to find lots of bugs on their own and that is causing frustration yet strongly disagree with the complaining part since one very important thing seems to be forgotten...
the business model which is one of a kind... ex.: when you buy a car, do you expect that this car will run till end of life and without paying any extra you also will receive an electrical engine when the technology and government regulations are changing or later even a hydrogen engine with further technology improvements... I don't think so yet basically that's what for now NT /and not just NT/ is committed to.
I firmly believe the way too long development cycle - if I remember correctly NT 8 was going to be released ~2 years ago - and buggy beta releases are caused by the business model what seems to be quite common in this industry.
Meaning a vendor sell a product once and than they have to provide free upgrades for life... It is like a reverse "ponzi scam" for a vendor in order to survive and pay bills and salaries they have to keep come up with new buyers or pray that leasing customers won't pay finally the full price for their product... actually this is exactly what I did.
I know I know NT since I am involved has created additional income with data feed and now the brokerage.
Here is how it works for businesses in my experience.
In my corporate IT life worked for Amoco, BP, Mobil and Xerox as well usually we have purchased enterprise software for hundreds of thousands of $$$ or sometimes even in the 7 digit range for some systems. After the initial purchase price we were paying yearly ~17% maintenance fee /17% of the purchase price/ for which we were provided support, regular updates etc...
I am not saying NT has to "fix" their model it worked ok for me so far however when someone complains they shall think about the whole picture first... benefits vs cost.
Kind regards,
atata
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Hi All,
I hope this forum the right one to add my question regarding NT8 platform.
Recently, I downloaded NT8 in order to get familiar with it's new look and learn to maneuver around it. Unfortunately, did not get even one Indicator transferred from my NT 7 to NT8. My question is: Is there a way on how to transfer all my Indi's and Strategies from NT7 to NT8?
Virtually all indicators need to be converted/rewritten to be used in NT8. You are at the right place but as yet there is not a great deal of interest as NT7 is the only SAFE way to go for live trading at this stage.
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